Was the nerf simply for the greater good?

[hankadoo]

<DIV> <DIV>I am sure there will be alot of opposite opinions of mine after I post this but it needs to be said. Was the nerf really that bad? Yeah we lost dps...was it as bad as we imagined I am sorry to say it isn't. I still do best DPS on our guild raids to Lab. Do other classes do a little bit less themselves ...yes. Is it more difficult to keep up with them...yeah i don't quite dominate like I used to, but I still dominate! Shorter fights I do a little less DPS. It was to be expected cause we were way overpowered. We can still solo...as good as before? NO! Are we the only class that seems to have a harder time soloing green 3 ups? NO! Did everyone get nerfed or maybe just maybe...did the mobs get a boost? Hmmmmmm I am gonna say yeah they got boosted a bit to make it harder for us. Well why would they do that? The answer is simple they aren't raising the level cap! Next expansion they aren't raising the level cap so where does that leave level 70's with difficulty other than new quests and new zones? Well for me it will present no challenge..heck it will be simply boring...oh boy another title or slightly better gear. What if the whole goal of this nerf and raising the difficulty of soloing mobs  is just a simple set up of a greater scheme they haven't let on to. Really its their only option. An EQ1 like system where there are T7 mobs then there are also OMG T7 mobs!! Could you solo stuff in the early parts of planes zones....yeah...there were ways....could you solo stuff in deeper...HELL NO!!!! You feared going places...unless of course you were uber equipped....necro's tanking early planes epic mobs....the best of the best. Are we getting a better AA system in the next expansion? YEPPERS! Does that mean all classes will gain new levels of dominance? Absolutely! Will classes regain their abilities to absolutely dominate heroic mobs solo....I'd but money on it the answer is YES! The bottom line is without a level cap raise there needs to be a new level of difficulty added. A fear to simply walk around a zone like there used to be in EQ1 in the planes unless you were the best of the best...uber equipped. We'll get our skills back in AA's and probably much more power than we had before. There had to be a leveling of the playing field before they created new content. I think everyone needs to be patient and see how this plays out in the next expansion. Finally to those who claim we now suck and are a useless class...you just need to learn how to use your skills better. I still top my raids DPS chart and they'll have to wrestle that title from my dead lifeless body. Its one I am not giving up anytime soon. </DIV></DIV>

[Snikey]

<DIV>Paragraphs... will read later.</DIV>

[hankadoo]

<DIV>paragraphs make too much sense...this is better</DIV>

[Kraven Coldblade]

<DIV>OP - are you asking a question? Making a statement? I don't understand what you're trying to say in your post.</DIV>

[LoreLady]

I agree with the OP - while necro's are nolonger above and beyond DPS. They are currently on par, my guild necro is on the top 4 dps all the time, conj top 5. Its nolonger to the point where one person is ontop everysingle time.<div></div>

[MichaelSOchman]

<DIV>It is not that we (Necromancers) are so overpowered it is that people who play a Necromancer seem to know how to play there class alot better then the other classes are played. SOE only looks at a few high level players instead of all the players and then decide oh no  this class is to overpowered lets NERF the heck out of it because its too much trouble to fix the other classes. We are too LAZY to do it.</DIV>

[LiquidFlex]

<div><blockquote><hr>MichaelSOchman wrote:<div><font color="#33cc00" size="3">It is not that we (Necromancers) are so overpowered it is that people who play a Necromancer seem to know how to play there class alot better then the other classes are played.</font> <font color="#ff6600" size="3">SOE only looks at a few high level players instead of all the players and then decide oh no  this class is to overpowered lets NERF the heck out of it because its too much trouble to fix the other classes. We are too LAZY to do it.</font></div><hr></blockquote><font color="#33cc00">Umm... why is it that most posts I read in this class forum for necros are cries about "nerf"? Good grief it's a game. I sure hope those of you flaming each other, and hollaring soo much about this game put as much time & effort into other things in your life.And alot of people are claiming that "they just know how to play their class better than other classes know how to play their own class"... that's just BS. You think that YOU are that special? Out of ALL the EQ2 players on ALL of the different servers? I'm not justifying a "nerf" of a "buff" in anyway. I simply just don't care enough about the updates b'cuz SoE seems to lie and "forget" to tell us alot of information anyway.At any rate, now matter how well you play your class, you should Never be able to out DPS a class that is built for DPS. And a Necro is not meant to be a dps freak. [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] I'm so tired of hearing about dps crap. DPS DPS DPS DPS is all you people can talk about. If that is all this game has become for you, then maybe I'm just lost and I'm "wrong" in wanting to enjoy every other aspect of the game other than DPS. IMHO<font color="#ff6600">SoE only looks at a few high level players? Who ever told you that? And as much as I think they bork things on a regular basis, I think it's pretty safe to say that your statement here is borked itself. If I'm wrong, I'd sure like you to find out where this posted info is on how they select which "high level players" they are going to base the entire game on.You don't think that perhaps the Devs have chars on a test server somewhere in their work environment that they can readilly test crap out? Yeah they can't test every single detail, but thats why they have a public test server.And if your statement is really true, then those high level players are all obviously using Master 1 & 2 spells, so we should all be "nerfed" b'cuz we can't all get master 1 spells for every spell. Sounds dumb doesn't it? Retrospect.IMHO -- and not flaming you or anyone else.<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></font></font></div>

[Vici_Necromanc]

<P>I know for a fact that in EQ1 game play changes and certain mob alterations were based on certain and specific guilds as a benchmark. It stands to reason that they would do the same here and one could further theorize that they would "zoom in" to a more detailed perspective as to include player specific activities and feedback. I do not feel that the entire game play is pivoted on the perspectives of a handful of players who secretly dictate the direction of the game and bend the hand of SOE to their will, however, if truly in existence,  they are certainly a weighted factor. </P> <P>It would be a failure to assume that what works in test will work perfectly identical in live. The test server merely gives a sold foundation in which to form new ideas and test responses. The reality can only be seen once it is live and has time to settle into the nature of the players. Player determination is a constant variable. Players will in fact, find a way to do what they want to do, if so motivated. It is very difficult to account for that kind of creative thinking in one program change.</P> <P> </P> <P>In any case the forums are a place for sharing ideas and thoughts, both positive and negative and of course neutral. There are many people upset with the LU24 for reasons that to them are real. Their ability to express those feelings is their right as is yours to complain about the complaining. </P>

[Yadylia]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> FriQenstein wrote: <DIV><FONT color=#33cc00>Umm... why is it that most posts I read in this class forum for necros are cries about "nerf"? Good grief it's a game. </FONT></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Well that should give you a hint right there, maybe they have been nerfed more then most other classes, and where it hurts the most, and thats why they cry about nerfs??  And yes its a game, and in this game you do what you can to make you char stronger and better, and then booooom the nerf stick, so yeah its upsetting.</P> <P>Personally I'm crying about the nerf on my pet, my temporary pets (rats, dogs etc,), my stun (which was pretty bad to start with because of the long casting time).  My pets are all adept 3s, so I can imagine someone who can't afford Adept3 and is stuck with an app4 or adept1 pet.<BR></P> <P>Nerfs are probably the most upsetting thing in a game.</P>

[LiquidFlex]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Vici_Necromancer wrote:<div></div> <p><font color="#33cc00">In any case the forums are a place for sharing ideas and thoughts, both positive and negative and of course neutral. There are many people upset with the LU24 for reasons that to them are real. Their ability to express those feelings is their right as is yours to complain about the complaining.</font> </p><hr></blockquote>Ok, maybe I was a little harsh? Or maybe just not straight enough on my point.No doubt. I agree the forums are for such a thing. And I'm not complaining that they are complaining. I'm complaining that the amount of complaints are seemingly excessive in the point that multiple threads are all saying the same thing. By all means express yourself, as that is what it's all about. I'm just mentioning that the amount of threads dealing with "nerf" this and "dps" that seem a bit overwhelming as of late.And eventually, the "nerf" / 'dps' threads all end up turning into flame wars with one another because someone can parse certain numbers higher than others, so out come the name calling, and other offtopic subjects... kinda like this offtopic subject. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />At any rate, my necro was created over a year ago, so I've dealt with all the crap my char has gone thru just like everyone else has. Just don't see the need or benefit in multiple posts saying the same thing. mho</div><p>Message Edited by FriQenstein on <span class=date_text>06-22-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:01 PM</span>