If you want to protest against the summoner nerf (see test update notes)

[prince_sd]

<div></div><img src="http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/8603/clipboard018ua.jpg">They might not listen to us but money talks. Hit them where it hurts them.This will give them time till our subscriptions run out (2 weeks on average) to balance our class and not just nerf it. Or else suffer a huge dent in their income.(You can always resubscribe if devs listen to us)Edit: Don't forget to click where it says "i didn't like the recent changes to my class"<div></div><p>Message Edited by prince_sd on <span class=date_text>05-17-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:48 PM</span>

[Za]

THANK YOU LORD! This is reason enough to look forward to LU24!Hey if you don't like the changes SoE is making, don't puss out and offer to come back. Be a man and walk away. Don't look back.Congratulations on your decisiveness!

[prince_sd]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Zald wrote:THANK YOU LORD! This is reason enough to look forward to LU24!<hr></blockquote>Oh so sweet. Did i make your day zald ? What class did you play before lu13 zald ? Be a man and play that. We don't need no people just "trying" to be necros in this thread.</div><p>Message Edited by prince_sd on <span class=date_text>05-17-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:31 PM</span>

[raven0]

I just installed a different MMO game last week due to frustration.<div></div>

[ShadowDragon32]

Im tired of the BS too to be honest.  Its time for me to head on to something else.  Me and my 2 sons are cancelling our accounts and spending time on another mmorpg.  Its been nice chating with you all...  GL

[Nagazch]

<DIV>Me, my triblet brothers, my ol' granny and all 86 uncles are closing our accouts as well... Sime Online here we come !!1</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Seriously tho, there are many foul advantages comming with LU#24</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ffcc00>*** Sorting out the graveyard ***</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ffcc00></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV>- Whiners and ridiculous puny mortals now haunt other class communities or games</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>- 80% of all new classes made will no longer be Necromancers</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>- More master spells for me !!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>- Halflings :smileymad:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>- True necromancer fans will be easier to encouter</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>- CS freaks who think dps defines all classes have been greatly reduced in numbers</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>One small cryst for man, one giant tumor for the whole necromancer community...</DIV>

[Za]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> prince_sd wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zald wrote:<BR>THANK YOU LORD! This is reason enough to look forward to LU24!<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Oh so sweet. Did i make your day zald ? <BR><BR>What class did you play before lu13 zald ? Be a man and play that. We don't need no people just "trying" to be necros in this thread.<BR></DIV> <P>Message Edited by prince_sd on <SPAN class=date_text>05-17-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>07:31 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Hehe, you're just so clueless. I started a necro when Frogloks came out, becasue I wanted a frog necro. I don't recall what LU that was, but I play a nec cuz I played one in EQ1 and like the premise.  If anyone''s trying to be a necro its the one that needs to be ubber out of balance to get his rocks off. But hey, its time to PARTY!! :smileyvery-happy:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>When's your last day! I don't want your stuff! Donate it to the real necro starters that actually want to learn to play the class after you're gone.</DIV>

[Jal]

Protests achieve nothing. Go on test, submit feedback and they might change things or wait till live and feedback.<p>Message Edited by Jalek on <span class=date_text>05-18-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:21 PM</span>

[Delameko Stone]

If the devs changing your class minutely gives you enough reason to throw a hissyfit and quit then I think its definately time you got out more and thus are doing the right course of action.  Good luck.

[Khaos20]

<P>I'll personally be happy if a lot of people quit Necro, it'll bring down the prices for my necro as demand will bottom out. That and I'll be more able to find groups hopefully. No longer having to be one of the dozen or so Necro's looking out there <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Seriously tho, if you think it's so game breaking these nerfs then please, he was right about one thing. Money talks to a corporation more than anything else. If you witch with a capital B but still pay them money, they are making money and will continue making changes like this.</P> <P>I end up having to solo a lot, and I dislike it, I much prefer grouping as it is supposed to be a social game. Do I have problems soloing? Nope, I can solo stuff three levels higher than me and efficiently so I can grind good xp, but that's boring as all heck to me. </P>

[Delameko Stone]

Except money DOESN'T talk in this case.Just look at SWG...

[Jal]

<blockquote><hr>Delameko Stone wrote:Except money DOESN'T talk in this case.Just look at SWG...<hr></blockquote>QFE

[Kski93]

<DIV>I dont understand why your bashing on the guy for canceling his subscribtion. The guy seems tired of being the target of every [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing nerf for the past 10 Live updates. It's his was of trying to get SOE to take there heads out of there [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn], it may not be the way you would go about getting the devs attention but at least he's doing something. I myself do not want to cancel my account ,but i am just as sick of this as him. I have to many friends in my guild and my guild needs me(only necro in the guild). You know whats funny even if us necro's find a way to adabt and put out close to the same numbers we were before, there gonna nerf us again. Personally I'm still going to be on the top of the dps list without my scout pet i've been using my mage pet for the past week while raiding putting out close to the same numbers I was before. It's never going to end until were putting out less dps then wizards in every area solo group and raid. Anyway give the guy a break were all tired to be honest. They just take take take take take, but give nothing back.</DIV>

[Articulas]

hehe. i play a high lvl necro and wizard. i just got double shafted i think.

[chadawok]

i spose theres one good thing coming out of this "Nerf" all the kiddy necros will either quit the game or re-roll anouther class....

[Articulas]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> chadawokie wrote:<BR> i spose theres one good thing coming out of this "Nerf" all the kiddy necros will either quit the game or re-roll anouther class....<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>i think thats exactly the point. influx a massive number of people to a new "Super class" and then later on take the abilities that made them "Super" away so they can get a balanced number of classes in the game. i figure the templars or one of the other fighter classes will come up on the list soon. </DIV>

[FTL]

<DIV>I am not entirely sure of the amount of people playing eq2 now and i am also not entirely sure what the percentage is that are summoners or even what percentage of those that play summoners,  post on these boards, but i think its not very high. Now we all know the devs read the boards (sometimes i bet they have a good laugh at some of the abuse they get if its originall) But lets be honest unless we see like the vast majority of summoners complaining then nothing will be changed. I for one dont mind to much if they feel they need to nerf us, i dont play this game to "power game" i get tied on raids when my pet on his own out dps's every other class, i think i can understand why other classes would be a bit [Removed for Content] by that non stop, if it was us as necromancers out dps'ing everyone i could justify it alot more by saying "well no power=no dps, but when i myself is fairly low down the dps ladder but my pet is right at the top its a bit silly. Yes our pet is part of our class but if a class was meant to be t1 then fine, were/should necromancers be t1? i dont know, thats a discussion for another day, but as it stands soe have stated quite clearly that necromancers were not meant to be t1. Have soe screwed up with the way they made us? hell yeh, but it happens, can we do anything about it? not really, well as the person who created this post did was quit, thats everybodies right, we have the freedom of speach and we can do what we like (within the game rules)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The point to all of this is "Live and let live" if people want to quit, they quit, i hope they find what they are looking for in there next game, i for one dont care what soe throw at me, because even after the nerf i will still enjoy my class and a new style of play i will have to find to keep myself and others around me happy <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Za]

<blockquote><hr>Kski93 wrote:<DIV>I dont understand why your bashing on the guy for canceling his subscribtion. The guy seems tired of being the target of every [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing nerf for the past 10 Live updates. It's his was of trying to get SOE to take there heads out of there [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn], it may not be the way you would go about getting the devs attention but at least he's doing something. I myself do not want to cancel my account ,but i am just as sick of this as him. I have to many friends in my guild and my guild needs me(only necro in the guild). You know whats funny even if us necro's find a way to adabt and put out close to the same numbers we were before, there gonna nerf us again. Personally I'm still going to be on the top of the dps list without my scout pet i've been using my mage pet for the past week while raiding putting out close to the same numbers I was before. It's never going to end until were putting out less dps then wizards in every area solo group and raid. Anyway give the guy a break were all tired to be honest. They just take take take take take, but give nothing back.</DIV><hr></blockquote>You both need to get a grip. The past 10 LUs is a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] exageration. Since LU13, Summoners have been divine! HEHE, you admit you're not hurting for DPS at all, but then whine cuz SoE is putting things back in line... You worked for Enron didn't you! The only thing SoE takes is your $15-$24 a month, they give you a game to play for that month in return. If you don't like the game, you should just quit to. This isn't bashing this is honest advice to someone that apparently doesn't realize the reality of the situation. You pay a monthly fee for access to this amuzment park. If the rides bore you, or you don't like the new policies being implemented, then just don't come back anymore. I guarantee Disney wouldn't let you stage a protest in the middle of their park!

[Articulas]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zald wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kski93 wrote:<BR> <DIV>I dont understand why your bashing on the guy for canceling his subscribtion. The guy seems tired of being the target of every [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing nerf for the past 10 Live updates. It's his was of trying to get SOE to take there heads out of there [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn], it may not be the way you would go about getting the devs attention but at least he's doing something. I myself do not want to cancel my account ,but i am just as sick of this as him. I have to many friends in my guild and my guild needs me(only necro in the guild). You know whats funny even if us necro's find a way to adabt and put out close to the same numbers we were before, there gonna nerf us again. Personally I'm still going to be on the top of the dps list without my scout pet i've been using my mage pet for the past week while raiding putting out close to the same numbers I was before. It's never going to end until were putting out less dps then wizards in every area solo group and raid. Anyway give the guy a break were all tired to be honest. They just take take take take take, but give nothing back.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>You both need to get a grip. The past 10 LUs is a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] exageration. Since LU13, Summoners have been divine! HEHE, you admit you're not hurting for DPS at all, but then whine cuz SoE is putting things back in line... You worked for Enron didn't you! The only thing SoE takes is your $15-$24 a month, they give you a game to play for that month in return. If you don't like the game, you should just quit to. <BR><BR>This isn't bashing this is honest advice to someone that apparently doesn't realize the reality of the situation. You pay a monthly fee for access to this amuzment park. If the rides bore you, or you don't like the new policies being implemented, then just don't come back anymore. I guarantee Disney wouldn't let you stage a protest in the middle of their park!<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>EQ2 is a disneyfied EQLive...oh did i say that outloud?

[Shipwreck_GPA]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zald wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kski93 wrote:<BR> <DIV>I dont understand why your bashing on the guy for canceling his subscribtion. The guy seems tired of being the target of every [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing nerf for the past 10 Live updates. It's his was of trying to get SOE to take there heads out of there [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn], it may not be the way you would go about getting the devs attention but at least he's doing something. I myself do not want to cancel my account ,but i am just as sick of this as him. I have to many friends in my guild and my guild needs me(only necro in the guild). You know whats funny even if us necro's find a way to adabt and put out close to the same numbers we were before, there gonna nerf us again. Personally I'm still going to be on the top of the dps list without my scout pet i've been using my mage pet for the past week while raiding putting out close to the same numbers I was before. It's never going to end until were putting out less dps then wizards in every area solo group and raid. Anyway give the guy a break were all tired to be honest. They just take take take take take, but give nothing back.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>You both need to get a grip. The past 10 LUs is a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] exageration. Since LU13, Summoners have been divine! HEHE, you admit you're not hurting for DPS at all, but then whine cuz SoE is putting things back in line... You worked for Enron didn't you! The only thing SoE takes is your $15-$24 a month, they give you a game to play for that month in return. If you don't like the game, you should just quit to. <BR><BR>This isn't bashing this is honest advice to someone that apparently doesn't realize the reality of the situation. You pay a monthly fee for access to this amuzment park. If the rides bore you, or you don't like the new policies being implemented, then just don't come back anymore. I guarantee Disney wouldn't let you stage a protest in the middle of their park!<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Cool how the last Summoner DPS nerf isn't live yet and here comes another.</P> <P>Anyone know if Conjurers got the same treatment?</P>

[Za]

I actually agree 100% with that last post (above the last post). But Disney is fun for alot of people. Thats why I HATE seeing people bash EQ2 for its simplicity. The game is great for people that like the Disneyesqe gameplay. Now, when something more hardcore RPG comes out, I'll be a 1st day subscriber... but not becasue I hate EQ2 for being what it is for its target market. I'm hoping Sigil keeps VG on its non mainstream path. So far it certainly feels like they care less about attractiving hordes of kiddies and slack gamers than sticking to their "vision", which,on the surface, I think looks great.GPA, Yes, all summoners are being changed, Conj worse in some ways. All classes in general are being affected by the CC changes.1 DPS nerf not on test becasue LU 24 hasn't been released yet... wow you people really don't pay attention... LU24 is going to be one big change to summoners. It sounds like you'd prefer the tid bit nerfs you just got through ranting about? At least be consistent.<p>Message Edited by Zald on <span class=date_text>05-18-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:32 AM</span>

[Elveira]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Articulas wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR><BR>i think thats exactly the point. influx a massive number of people to a new "Super class" and then later on take the abilities that made them "Super" away so they can get a balanced number of classes in the game. <BR></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>I've actually been starting to think this exact thing myself. Perhaps "class balancing" has less to do with balancing abilities as seeing a (less im-)balanced number of people playing each class across the board.<BR>

[Za]

<blockquote><hr>Elveira wrote:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Articulas wrote:<BR><DIV><BR><BR>i think thats exactly the point. influx a massive number of people to a new "Super class" and then later on take the abilities that made them "Super" away so they can get a balanced number of classes in the game. <BR></DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV><HR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>I've actually been starting to think this exact thing myself. Perhaps "class balancing" has less to do with balancing abilities as seeing a (less im-)balanced number of people playing each class across the board.<BR><hr></blockquote>In general, if all classes were balanced and equally needed throughout the char progression, there would be a natural tendancy towards equal distribution. NO, I didn't say each class would be 14.3% of the play base, but you wouldn't see 30% summoners either. That only tends to happen when there is a real (or perceived) imbalance. If the imbalance was perceived only, the distribution would flatten back out once the rumor was debunked. I doubt they care who plays what class as long as one class isn't dominating the landscape simply becasue its gimped. There is no easy mode char type in EQ2.

[Shipwreck_GPA]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Elveira wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Articulas wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR><BR>i think thats exactly the point. influx a massive number of people to a new "Super class" and then later on take the abilities that made them "Super" away so they can get a balanced number of classes in the game. <BR></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>I've actually been starting to think this exact thing myself. Perhaps "class balancing" has less to do with balancing abilities as seeing a (less im-)balanced number of people playing each class across the board.<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I hope not. Some classes are inherently more fun to more people than others. This does not mean they are imbalanced.</P>

[FrayedEnds]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> prince_sd wrote:<BR> <IMG src="http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/8603/clipboard018ua.jpg"><BR><BR><BR>They might not listen to us but money talks. Hit them where it hurts them.<BR><BR>This will give them time till our subscriptions run out (2 weeks on average) to balance our class and not just nerf it. Or else suffer a huge dent in their income.<BR><BR>(You can always resubscribe if devs listen to us)<BR><BR>Edit: Don't forget to click where it says "i didn't like the recent changes to my class"<BR> <P>Message Edited by prince_sd on <SPAN class=date_text>05-17-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>06:48 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>sorry bro, soe cares not. after all look at what they did to SWG

[Articulas]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> FrayedEnds wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> prince_sd wrote:<BR> <IMG src="http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/8603/clipboard018ua.jpg"><BR><BR><BR>They might not listen to us but money talks. Hit them where it hurts them.<BR><BR>This will give them time till our subscriptions run out (2 weeks on average) to balance our class and not just nerf it. Or else suffer a huge dent in their income.<BR><BR>(You can always resubscribe if devs listen to us)<BR><BR>Edit: Don't forget to click where it says "i didn't like the recent changes to my class"<BR> <P>Message Edited by prince_sd on <SPAN class=date_text>05-17-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>06:48 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>sorry bro, soe cares not. after all look at what they did to SWG<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>well MG said a few days ago that voting with dollars is how they go by it. And he is putting in his vote. nothing wrong with that.

[evhallion]

<STRONG></STRONG><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> FTL wrote:<BR> <DIV>I<FONT color=#ff0000> am not entirely sure of the amount of people playing eq2 now and i am also not entirely sure what the percentage is that are summoners or even what percentage of those that play summoners,  post on these boards, but i think its not very high</FONT>. Now we all know the devs read the boards (sometimes i bet they have a good laugh at some of the abuse they get if its originall) But lets be honest unless we see like the vast majority of summoners complaining then nothing will be changed. I for one dont mind to much if they feel they need to nerf us, i dont play this game to "power game" i get tied on raids when my pet on his own out dps's every other class, i think i can understand why other classes would be a bit [Removed for Content] by that non stop, if it was us as necromancers out dps'ing everyone i could justify it alot more by saying "well no power=no dps, but when i myself is fairly low down the dps ladder but my pet is right at the top its a bit silly. Yes our pet is part of our class but if a class was meant to be t1 then fine, were/should necromancers be t1? i dont know, thats a discussion for another day, but as it stands soe have stated quite clearly that necromancers were not meant to be t1. Have soe screwed up with the way they made us? hell yeh, but it happens, can we do anything about it? not really, well as the person who created this post did was quit, thats everybodies right, we have the freedom of speach and we can do what we like (within the game rules)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The point to all of this is "Live and let live" if people want to quit, they quit, i hope they find what they are looking for in there next game, i for one dont care what soe throw at me, because even after the nerf i will still enjoy my class and a new style of play i will have to find to keep myself and others around me happy <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Well let's look shall we? Here are the numbers reported by Station Players for the mage classes across all servers. Note not all of these are played and include alts. This only reports what has been created and has a profile on Station Players.</P> <P><STRONG>Mage lvl 1-70 all servers.</STRONG></P> <UL> <LI>Necro's 77237</LI> <LI>Conj's 69898</LI> <LI>Wizard's 97685</LI> <LI>Warlock's 53598</LI> <LI>Illusionist's 37891 </LI> <LI>Corercer's 26200 </LI></UL> <P><STRONG>Mage lvl 60-69 all servers.</STRONG></P> <UL> <LI>Necro's 1607</LI> <LI>Conj's 1896</LI> <LI>Wizard's 2641</LI> <LI>Warlock's 1358</LI> <LI>Illusionist's 818 </LI> <LI>Corercer's 457</LI></UL> <P><STRONG>Mage lvl 70 all servers</STRONG></P> <UL> <LI>Necro's 1014</LI> <LI>Conj's 1203</LI> <LI>Wizard's 1590</LI> <LI>Warlock's 765 </LI> <LI>Illusionist's 481</LI> <LI>Corercer's 362</LI></UL> <P>Information gathered from <A href="http://www.eq2census.com" target=_blank>http://www.eq2census.com</A></P>

[Delameko Stone]

<div><blockquote><hr>evhallion wrote:<div></div><strong></strong> <blockquote> <hr> FTL wrote: <div></div> <div>I<font color="#ff0000"> am not entirely sure of the amount of people playing eq2 now and i am also not entirely sure what the percentage is that are summoners or even what percentage of those that play summoners,  post on these boards, but i think its not very high</font>. Now we all know the devs read the boards (sometimes i bet they have a good laugh at some of the abuse they get if its originall) But lets be honest unless we see like the vast majority of summoners complaining then nothing will be changed. I for one dont mind to much if they feel they need to nerf us, i dont play this game to "power game" i get tied on raids when my pet on his own out dps's every other class, i think i can understand why other classes would be a bit [Removed for Content] by that non stop, if it was us as necromancers out dps'ing everyone i could justify it alot more by saying "well no power=no dps, but when i myself is fairly low down the dps ladder but my pet is right at the top its a bit silly. Yes our pet is part of our class but if a class was meant to be t1 then fine, were/should necromancers be t1? i dont know, thats a discussion for another day, but as it stands soe have stated quite clearly that necromancers were not meant to be t1. Have soe screwed up with the way they made us? hell yeh, but it happens, can we do anything about it? not really, well as the person who created this post did was quit, thats everybodies right, we have the freedom of speach and we can do what we like (within the game rules)</div> <div> </div> <div>The point to all of this is "Live and let live" if people want to quit, they quit, i hope they find what they are looking for in there next game, i for one dont care what soe throw at me, because even after the nerf i will still enjoy my class and a new style of play i will have to find to keep myself and others around me happy <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div> <hr> </blockquote> <p>Well let's look shall we? Here are the numbers reported by Station Players for the mage classes across all servers. Note not all of these are played and include alts. This only reports what has been created and has a profile on Station Players.</p> <p><strong>Mage lvl 1-70 all servers.</strong></p> <ul> <li>Necro's 77237</li> <li>Conj's 69898</li> <li>Wizard's 97685</li> <li>Warlock's 53598</li> <li>Illusionist's 37891 </li> <li>Corercer's 26200 </li></ul> <p><strong>Mage lvl 60-69 all servers.</strong></p> <ul> <li>Necro's 1607</li> <li>Conj's 1896</li> <li>Wizard's 2641</li> <li>Warlock's 1358</li> <li>Illusionist's 818 </li> <li>Corercer's 457</li></ul> <p><strong>Mage lvl 70 all servers</strong></p> <ul> <li>Necro's 1014</li> <li>Conj's 1203</li> <li>Wizard's 1590</li> <li>Warlock's 765 </li> <li>Illusionist's 481</li> <li>Corercer's 362</li></ul> <p>Information gathered from <a href="http://www.eq2census.com" target="_blank">http://www.eq2census.com</a></p><hr></blockquote>Gandalf's got a lot to answer for...</div>

[Taranwen]

I used to play a templar as my main, LU13 hit and the templar community fell apart..i tried for months after to enjoy the class again and to no avail. i finally put the templar on the shelf and started playing my necro alt (who is now my main) and had a blast...truly a very fun class...which is also what i thought about the templar class before they  nerfed the heck out of em. The templars have been protesting in numbers and many have stopped playing or cancelled their accounts due to SOE not listening to their customer base...nothing different wil happen here...although we can't all know how LU24 is going to "feel" until after the update goes through and we log back in and try it out. I'm praying it wont be as devistating as the templar changes i saw and tried to get past. I'm going to try to push through the pain in that case because i do really like to play my necro <span>:smileywink:</span><div></div>

[Truwen]

<blockquote><hr>Delameko Stone wrote:If the devs changing your class minutely gives you enough reason to throw a hissyfit and quit then I think its definately time you got out more and thus are doing the right course of action.  Good luck.<hr></blockquote>Agreed,If you can't play a game and accept the EULA which states the devs have the right to change things at their own discression then that is to bad for you and you are taking the right action to move on from eq2. It just seems to me that you don't like the fact that you are now not the tier 1 in DPS to bad for you damage doesn't define the necromancer our versatility does. At any rate I hope you the best and I hope you find the game that is perfect for you. Furthermore, from reading the test notes this so called nerf isn't all that bad. We were never meant to out damage wizards in the first place so our damage from our pets/temp pets and oru spells were just put in line to reflect that fact. The only damage we lost was from pets which I believe in the patch notes said it was only a 17.3% loss in DPS (this may be from just the dumbfire/temp pets or all of our pets). My only concern is with my tank pet if he can't hold agro as well as he does now that may be a bad thing for me since I like to solo between group time. -Truwen<div></div>

[Articulas]

its funny how many people want censorship for people expressing their opinions when it doesn't agree with their own.

[prince_sd]

<div><blockquote><hr>Truwen wrote:<blockquote><hr>Delameko Stone wrote:If the devs changing your class minutely gives you enough reason to throw a hissyfit and quit then I think its definately time you got out more and thus are doing the right course of action.  Good luck.<hr>Its really not a hissyfit. I posted and posted on the forums to no avail.So consider this a silent protest. Cancel it now and if you want to still play the game just resubscribe later on.I can't think of any other way to send a powerful message.And no I am not protesting because we are not t1 dps anymore. I am protesting because this is not balance. Devs can't just nerf us to tier2 dps and not give us tier 2 utility (like rogues). This is a nerf and not balance.</blockquote></blockquote></div>

[Delameko Stone]

We've been over-powered for a while, I'm surprised it took us so long to get hit.  Roll with the punches.

[prince_sd]

<blockquote><hr>Delameko Stone wrote:We've been over-powered for a while, I'm surprised it took us so long to get hit.  Roll with the punches.<hr></blockquote> Then don't cancel. Simple. This thread is not to discuss whether we were overpowered or not. There are many threads you will find for that. If you think these dps nerfs without any addition to our utility are incorrect then cancel subscription as a means of protest. If not, then don't. Simple.<div></div>

[Za]

<blockquote><hr>Articulas wrote:its funny how many people want censorship for people expressing their opinions when it doesn't agree with their own.<hr></blockquote>No one wants censorship. But if you come out and voice an opinion, you don't have a right to expect others won't rebut that opinion... Do you infer that people that disagree with the OPs opinion should be censored? The knife cuts both ways.

[prince_sd]

<blockquote><hr>Zald wrote:<blockquote><hr>Articulas wrote:<div></div>its funny how many people want censorship for people expressing their opinions when it doesn't agree with their own.<hr></blockquote>No one wants censorship. But if you come out and voice an opinion, you don't have a right to expect others won't rebut that opinion... Do you infer that people that disagree with the OPs opinion should be censored? The knife cuts both ways.<hr></blockquote> Does this count as an opinion zald ? <i> THANK YOU LORD! This is reason enough to look forward to LU24! Hey if you don't like the changes SoE is making, don't puss out and offer to come back. Be a man and walk away. Don't look back. </i>Last I knew, it just shows attitude and not an opinion.<i> </i><div></div>

[Za]

<blockquote><hr>prince_sd wrote:<blockquote><hr>Delameko Stone wrote:We've been over-powered for a while, I'm surprised it took us so long to get hit.  Roll with the punches.<hr></blockquote>Then don't cancel. Simple.This thread is not to discuss whether we were overpowered or not. There are many threads you will find for that.If you think these dps nerfs without any addition to our utility are incorrect then cancel subscription as a means of protest.If not, then don't. Simple.<div></div><hr></blockquote>And people that disagree with your basic assessment that Necros "lack" something are posting to contridict your bases assessment that we do. If someone agrees with you that necros are not a fun class to play... They don't need you to advise them on how to cancel their account. Thats an obvious choice that EVERYONE has EVERY day. What you're doing is encouraging people to blackmail and bully ... or at least try to blackmail and bully.. the SoE devs. Thats not right! That actually is a slap in the face to every person that respects the fact that if SoE doesn't lead this game into a positive future, that no one else can! SoE isn't going to sell EQ2... so we need then to make the right decisions, not the decisions that a hand ful of irational self oriented lobbyists try to strong arm them in to.The bottom line is... If you think the necro class is fun, viable, and needed throughout the game, then continue playing one. If you haven't experienced the changes 1st hand on test, then you can't answer any of those questions until the changes go live. If at ANY point, the game stops giving you satisfaction, for any reason, then you don't have to post on a forumn as if somehow the SoE devs have casued life to pass us by. Just realize that all good things come to an end, and leave it at that. Fill out the cancelation survey if you feel the need to do so, but you certainly don't need to help people that might be happy figure out that they shouldn't be happy. And you don't need to convince people that are on their way out they should leave... they already know that.This sounds like a guy that would see his Ex having dinner with a new man, and find the need to go over and explain to the new guy how horrible a person the Ex is... That's just petty. If you decide ANYTHING in your life isn't worth having or persuing, then just stop.<p>Message Edited by Zald on <span class=date_text>05-19-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:58 AM</span>

[Za]

<blockquote><hr>prince_sd wrote:<blockquote><hr>Zald wrote:<blockquote><hr>Articulas wrote:<div></div>its funny how many people want censorship for people expressing their opinions when it doesn't agree with their own.<hr></blockquote>Noone wants censorship. But if you come out and voice an opinion, youdon't have a right to expect others won't rebut that opinion... Do youinfer that people that disagree with the OPs opinion should becensored? The knife cuts both ways.<hr></blockquote>Does this count as an opinion zald ?<i>THANK YOU LORD! This is reason enough to look forward to LU24!Hey if you don't like the changes SoE is making, don't puss out and offer to come back. Be a man and walk away. Don't look back.</i>Last I knew, it just shows attitude and not an opinion.<i></i><div></div><hr></blockquote>Touche... You are 100% correct. And that's a fact.

[prince_sd]

<blockquote><hr>Zald wrote:<blockquote><hr>prince_sd wrote:<blockquote><hr>Delameko Stone wrote:We've been over-powered for a while, I'm surprised it took us so long to get hit.  Roll with the punches.<hr></blockquote>Then don't cancel. Simple.This thread is not to discuss whether we were overpowered or not. There are many threads you will find for that.If you think these dps nerfs without any addition to our utility are incorrect then cancel subscription as a means of protest.If not, then don't. Simple.<div></div><hr></blockquote>What you're doing is encouraging people to blackmail and bully ... or at least try to blackmail and bully.. the SoE devs. Thats not right! That actually is a slap in the face to every person that respects the fact that if SoE doesn't lead this game into a positive future, that no one else can! SoE isn't going to sell EQ2... so we need then to make the right decisions, not the decisions that a hand ful of irational self oriented lobbyists try to strong arm them in to.The bottom line is... If you think the necro class is fun, viable, and needed throughout the game, then continue playing one. If you haven't experienced the changes 1st hand on test, then you can't answer any of those questions until the changes go live. If at ANY point, the game stops giving you satisfaction, for any reason, then you don't have to post on a forumn as if somehow the SoE devs have casued life to pass us by. <hr></blockquote>Huh ? I am trying to blackmail and you are voicing your opinion ? So what you are saying is people should only post on forums if they are soe fanbois like you. If you don't like some aspect of the game or some change that is being initiated they should cancel subscription but not post here so soe fanbois like you can keep posting here and paint as if all in eq2 world is rosy. Are you just plain dumb or arrogant & stubborn to understand other people's opinion.<div></div>

[Za]

You haven't seen the changes or the way they will affect all of EQ2 yet... but you're "certain" these changes will ruin the game/class... Do you want me to go back and post links to all the other threads you've posted that guarantee x-change will ruin the game/necro class? Cuz so far I don't think any such thing has occured.Hey what you tell your friends is your business... but honestly, I have friends like you, and I know to take their advice with a grain of salt. Your view is overly pesamistic. If there are REALLY problems with the changes SoE is making, they'll be obvious soon enough. Then we can speak from facts and offer solutions, instead of speaking from fear of the "what-if". Call me a fanboi all you want... do a lookup, I'm critical when I need to be, and typically I actually provide facts, and suggestions not unsubstantiated fear laiden predictions od doom and gloom. The world isn't Rosey as you put it, but nothing ever is. The reality is that some people will like the changes and others won't. But right now, as things stand, unless you've played exstensively on test, all you can know for sure is that the game will change in some ways.Are you suggesting people cancel becasue the game is unplayable, or becasue they've changed the way <b>you</b> like to play and <b>you</b> don't like it? Could SoE make a change that adversly affected you, but was better for the game, and you NOT rant about it? Is it possible for you to recognize that the welfare of the game on the whole is more important than you as an individual?

[Delameko Stone]

<blockquote><hr>prince_sd wrote:<blockquote><hr>Zald wrote:<blockquote><hr>prince_sd wrote:<blockquote><hr>Delameko Stone wrote:We've been over-powered for a while, I'm surprised it took us so long to get hit.  Roll with the punches.<hr></blockquote>Then don't cancel. Simple.This thread is not to discuss whether we were overpowered or not. There are many threads you will find for that.If you think these dps nerfs without any addition to our utility are incorrect then cancel subscription as a means of protest.If not, then don't. Simple.<div></div><hr></blockquote>What you're doing is encouraging people to blackmail and bully ... or at least try to blackmail and bully.. the SoE devs. Thats not right! That actually is a slap in the face to every person that respects the fact that if SoE doesn't lead this game into a positive future, that no one else can! SoE isn't going to sell EQ2... so we need then to make the right decisions, not the decisions that a hand ful of irational self oriented lobbyists try to strong arm them in to.The bottom line is... If you think the necro class is fun, viable, and needed throughout the game, then continue playing one. If you haven't experienced the changes 1st hand on test, then you can't answer any of those questions until the changes go live. If at ANY point, the game stops giving you satisfaction, for any reason, then you don't have to post on a forumn as if somehow the SoE devs have casued life to pass us by. <hr></blockquote>Huh ? I am trying to blackmail and you are voicing your opinion ? So what you are saying is people should only post on forums if they are soe fanbois like you. If you don't like some aspect of the game or some change that is being initiated they should cancel subscription but not post here so soe fanbois like you can keep posting here and paint as if all in eq2 world is rosy. Are you just plain dumb or arrogant & stubborn to understand other people's opinion.<div></div><hr></blockquote> You shouldn't have taken the 'fanboi' comeback, thats the lamest comeback of them all.  Its an extreme, like me telling you that you have no right to tell us anything because you are completely Anti-SOE.  Are you completely Anti-SOE because you quit?  I doubt it.  Is Zald a SOE Fanboi because he disagrees with on a point?  I doubt it. Jeez dude, grow a thicker skin or learn to (yeah) roll with the punches... <div></div>

[prince_sd]

<blockquote><hr>Delameko Stone wrote: You shouldn't have taken the 'fanboi' comeback, thats the lamest comeback of them all.  Its an extreme, like me telling you that you have no right to tell us anything because you are completely Anti-SOE.  Are you completely Anti-SOE because you quit?  I doubt it.  Is Zald a SOE Fanboi because he disagrees with on a point?  I doubt it. Jeez dude, grow a thicker skin or learn to (yeah) roll with the punches... <div></div><hr></blockquote>The fanboi comment was only meant for Zald and not you. If it was only this one point I wouldn't have said that but I & Zald have a long history and he is always defending Soe's decisions and hence my comment. Anyways, that aside. This is my way of protesting. If you think that summoners should be given utility to compensate our drop in dps you can join in or can choose to stay out. k thx.<div></div>

[Za]

If after these changes go live, the class isn't effective, balanced, and very fun to play, I guarantee you I'll be posting suggestions and feedback to fix that. But until then Why be a critic of a movie you haven't actually seen! But according to Prince, the 100 people that disagree with him should shush, so the 100 people that do agree can look like they speak for "everyone". Wow... political genius at work here... seriously!

[Haavo]

THE CALM BEFORE THE STORM!!!!1<div></div>

[Laiina]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ShadowDragon32 wrote:<BR> Im tired of the BS too to be honest.  Its time for me to head on to something else.  Me and my 2 sons are cancelling our accounts and spending time on another mmorpg.  Its been nice chating with you all...  GL<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I agree, I sugges WOW. Lots of mature people there to group with.</P> <P>Well, maybe 1 or 2...</P>

[Delameko Stone]

<blockquote><hr>Haavokk wrote:THE CALM BEFORE THE STORM!!!!1<div></div><hr></blockquote> Or maybe this is the storm before the calm <span>:smileywink:</span><div></div>

[Hoom]

<DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Hoom on <span class=date_text>05-20-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:03 AM</span>

[Hoom]

We've been getiing nerfed (fixed? balanced?) since shortly after the major Combat Changes way back when. The Lich fix was understandable, as we were over powered. Since then the minor nerfs have been a constant for Necros. Most of us have indeed rolled with the punches. No single "nerf" has been devastating, yet they add up over time. The shortened FD timer is by far the best thing to happen to Necros in a long, long time, and well worth acknowledging. Still, at this point, with another pet nerf in the works, I have to wonder where it will all end. I do not believe we are overpowered at this point. If we move up to t1 dps in certain longer raid situations is that such a problem? Is nerfing the Scout pet the answer? My bottom line is fun, not the parser numbers, but I do think the constant nerfs suggest a larger problem. Shouldn't the class changes be at the minor tweaking stage a year and a half after release? As always, I will take a wait and see attitude on the next round of nerfs, but it is getting old. It bothers me to see our heals tweaked, as this suggests we will need to heal our pets more often and more quickly to survive. This, to me, does not bode well for the Necro class.

[prince_sd]

<div><blockquote><hr>Delameko Stone wrote:<blockquote><hr>Haavokk wrote:THE CALM BEFORE THE STORM!!!!1<div></div><hr></blockquote> Or maybe this is the storm before the calm <span>:smileywink:</span><div></div><hr></blockquote>Hey thats true <span>:smileywink:</span> It could be either.I hope its the latter. Personally, i think the latter is only possible if the mage pet is left untouched in 24b) and 24c) or whatever.</div>

[Thakar]

<div></div>Sometimes it's not the nerfs themselves that annoy people (although the current changes are definitely very unpleasant)...it's just that we're so very tired of getting nerfed almost every live update.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Thakar on <span class=date_text>05-20-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:38 PM</span>

[Krazedhermit]

*shrug* Doesn't seem too awful. I was hearing this had been coming since I started playing EQ2 again about a month ago. I came from WOW. I played the warlock class there which was seriously gimped for a long time. Personally. I hope they nerf necromancer to hell. Don't get me wrong, my main is a 35 necromancer. But I want the nerfs just so I can come here and watch so many of you whine and moan. It's evenings entertainment. <div></div>

[prix]

<div></div>There are reasons to be concerned about the nerf besides the idea that we won't be T1 DPS anymore.  I'm sure most of the people saying "it's no big deal" are under 30 or so which is why some of the larger, game-wide concerns aren't getting through to them.  I wouldn't be bothered so much if they were nerfing necros and improving another class, but they're not.  They're just lowering the DPS of the primary damage class without compensating for it.  That means that a lot of raids with 2 or 3 necros are looking at an overall DPS reduction.  Yes, it's only one class, but anyone who has actually raided before can tell you that a change in overall DPS can be the difference between a wipe and a clear.  In short, by nerfing the primary damage dealers they are making the overall game harder than it was before and making it more difficult for up and coming guilds and groups to do what might have been manageable before.<div></div>

[Uanelven]

<div><blockquote><hr>Krazedhermit wrote:*shrug* Doesn't seem too awful. I was hearing this had been coming since I started playing EQ2 again about a month ago. I came from WOW. I played the warlock class there which was seriously gimped for a long time. Personally. I hope they nerf necromancer to hell. Don't get me wrong, my main is a 35 necromancer. But I want the nerfs just so I can come here and watch so many of you whine and moan. It's evenings entertainment. <div></div><hr></blockquote><img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b5/DoNotFeedTroll.png"></div>

[Articulas]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zald wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Articulas wrote:<BR> its funny how many people want censorship for people expressing their opinions when it doesn't agree with their own.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>No one wants censorship. But if you come out and voice an opinion, you don't have a right to expect others won't rebut that opinion... Do you infer that people that disagree with the OPs opinion should be censored? The knife cuts both ways.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>you know i took neither side. i just made a statement. its not my fault if you have a guilt trip over what i said.

[Jai1]

<P>I much rather preferred playing pre LU-13 where people had compasion for a broken class than after.  Well maybe not immediately after where our lich proc put us higher in short term fights but when everyone's intention seems to get you off the top of the hill I'd rather not be there.  </P> <P>This change, I imagine, won't make people happy either.  The class is kinda made to do more damage the longer the fight goes on.  If there are any fights where we have 1/2 manna when the T1 classes run out, those fights will be used to post parses saying that summoners are still broken.  I just don't see not being able to outdamage the power hungry T1 classes.  They run out of power in no time when I keep clicking til the end. </P>

[Za]

<blockquote><hr>Articulas wrote:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Zald wrote:<BR><BR><BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Articulas wrote:<BR>its funny how many people want censorship for people expressing their opinions when it doesn't agree with their own.<BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>No one wants censorship. But if you come out and voice an opinion, you don't have a right to expect others won't rebut that opinion... Do you infer that people that disagree with the OPs opinion should be censored? The knife cuts both ways.<BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>you know i took neither side. i just made a statement. its not my fault if you have a guilt trip over what i said.<hr></blockquote> No guilt I just asked you a question? Why the need to make jabbs? Got Guilt?

[Za]

<blockquote><hr>Jai1 wrote:<P>I much rather preferred playing pre LU-13 where people had compasion for a broken class than after.  Well maybe not immediately after where our lich proc put us higher in short term fights but when everyone's intention seems to get you off the top of the hill I'd rather not be there.  </P><P>This change, I imagine, won't make people happy either.  The class is kinda made to do more damage the longer the fight goes on.  If there are any fights where we have 1/2 manna when the T1 classes run out, those fights will be used to post parses saying that summoners are still broken.  I just don't see not being able to outdamage the power hungry T1 classes.  They run out of power in no time when I keep clicking til the end. </P><hr></blockquote>No they won't. Most posts wanted a medium nerf to put summoners at T2 damage most of the time. FOr long raid fights we'll still be top damage for certain fights, and for most fights we'll still be near the top. I hate posting parses cuz they're manipulated and abused by both sides to prove absolutely nothing. But fact for fact, I've got numerous raid fights that I've personally done double the damage of the next closest player char. In those cases, even after this nerf, I'll still be top DPS. I may even do more, becasue for those fights I'm usually FD to avoid agro. Now maybe I won't have to do that.

[Articulas]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zald wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Articulas wrote:<BR> <BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <HR> <BR>Zald wrote:<BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <HR> <BR>Articulas wrote:<BR><BR> its funny how many people want censorship for people expressing their opinions when it doesn't agree with their own.<BR><BR> <HR> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>No one wants censorship. But if you come out and voice an opinion, you don't have a right to expect others won't rebut that opinion... Do you infer that people that disagree with the OPs opinion should be censored? The knife cuts both ways.<BR><BR> <HR> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>you know i took neither side. i just made a statement. its not my fault if you have a guilt trip over what i said.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>No guilt I just asked you a question? Why the need to make jabbs? Got Guilt?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>didn't take a jab. you seem to do those just fine.

[Za]

Look dude, I got no interest in sqabbling with you. I just pointed out that your post about censorship cuts both ways. Obviously you can't answer my question, so lets just say I'm right and call it a day. =)<p>Message Edited by Zald on <span class=date_text>05-22-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:25 PM</span>

[Articulas]

right, wrong. whatever. if you a necro you fine.

[Braw]

To bad only about 2% of the people saying they are quiting will actaully quit, soe wont lose much so they dont care enjoy your nerfs!

[Deland]

Heh do the math guys, 15 bucks a month + thousands of us - the skelliton crew they keep to make this game... work = HUGE profits. I would say atleast 60% of everyone playing... from all servers, would have to leave before the big wigs at SOEHQ start to take notice. And even then to just shut it down. The only way possible is to petition and give real information and not just personal opinion on these matters. I to played SWG... they didnt listen to us then... they listed to the opinionated people who screamed the loudest... now look at it. Do you want that to happen to us? Not me. So insted of just packing it in and makeing these usless threats of leaveing, be proactive and voice your facts, and dont freak out when you see something coming that you dont understand. Take a stand and see how the changes go. If they truly are bad for the game, say so with numbers and facts. Then if they dont listen, leave. I for one am interested to see what changes and to see how the game will be, its a bit easy now as it is. Im not saying easy is bad but it does get boring. Anyway thanks to those that made it this far in the post, GL with your gaming and I hope your with me if I find anything broken and decide to petition it.

[Purita]

<DIV>smart players will still preform better than morons when a fight gets parced.  Parcing a fight will only say so much, I mean, alot of the wizards and warlocks that I've grouped with are stupid [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]s that don't conserve or save power, which means, ofcourse the [Removed for Content] are going to get out damaged.</DIV>

[Za]

<blockquote><hr>Delandow wrote:Heh do the math guys, 15 bucks a month + thousands of us - the skelliton crew they keep to make this game... work = HUGE profits. I would say atleast 60% of everyone playing... from all servers, would have to leave before the big wigs at SOEHQ start to take notice. And even then to just shut it down. The only way possible is to petition and give real information and not just personal opinion on these matters. I to played SWG... they didnt listen to us then... they listed to the opinionated people who screamed the loudest... now look at it. Do you want that to happen to us? Not me. So insted of just packing it in and makeing these usless threats of leaveing, be proactive and voice your facts, and dont freak out when you see something coming that you dont understand. Take a stand and see how the changes go. If they truly are bad for the game, say so with numbers and facts. Then if they dont listen, leave. I for one am interested to see what changes and to see how the game will be, its a bit easy now as it is. Im not saying easy is bad but it does get boring. Anyway thanks to those that made it this far in the post, GL with your gaming and I hope your with me if I find anything broken and decide to petition it.<hr></blockquote>What's the difference between the opinionated people that scream the loudest and "us"? I think too many people don't realize that the only difference is that when you're wrong you become one of those loud opinionated people that ruin things. I hope if anything SoE learned from SWG is that customer make horrible game designers, no matter how "knowledgable" they say they are.

[Deland]

<DIV>Good point Z. But thats why i say back it up with facts and numbers. You cant really argue againt that. Well not logicaly anyway.</DIV>

[Za]

<blockquote><hr>Delandow wrote:<DIV>Good point Z. But thats why i say back it up with facts and numbers. You cant really argue againt that. Well not logicaly anyway.</DIV><hr></blockquote>I could agrue which facts and numbers. Statistics get abused worse than red headed step children. Way too many people post 1 + 1 = 2, Therefore, the world is coming to an end. Ok, 1 + 1 does equal 2... If only people stuck to the simple facts, THEN I couldn't argue.

[Lukundo]

<P>Zald, you are such a joker.  You have been on these boards for months yelling about the need to nerf the summoners.  You are a [Removed for Content], plain and simple.  (Anyone who hasn't kept up with the boards, please run a search on him).  You want a nerf of the class you play, and that is not going to make much sense to anyone.  </P> <P>To all of you other fools that are saying a nerf is a good thing, then you too are just plain dumb.  Nerfs, for any class, suck.  SOE could care less if a few people quit the game, because not enough would actually quit to mean any real revenue loss and your protest will not make them change anything, but it will eliminate you having to deal with it.  So if you quit the game, do it because you don't want to play because of the changes, not because you think it will change anything.  </P> <P>I agree with those of you who has said we should try to look on the bright side and hoping it is not that bad; but to the rest of you, what kind of person sits around hoping their class gets smacked with the nerf bat?  If you were making a lot more money than someone else would you be hoping that someone bashed you over the head and took your money so it would distribute the wealth in a more efficient manner?</P>

[Allowen]

<P>People gets scared too much and they dont understand the whole thing....</P> <P>Before I think to maybe quit the game because LU24 I will first wait and see how thing will be  because we necros came from weak but fun class before DoF and then with that expansion we became Gods in dps and multi use class and then soem other patch nerfed/fixed some thing but then we got stronger again or still stayed strong.</P> <P>Many of the changes they are doing on our class seems fair liek our scout/mage pet outdamaging uber equipated and hardcore wizards and warlocks and many other dps.....conjurors semi afk on raids and just sendign peot and a dumbfire pet or two every five mins still owning poor sorcerors and the rest of the dps people. Well this is nto fair for me and I am a necromancer !Our scout pet got a bit nerf on some patch not long time ago, pet was hitign for 3600 but now it hits for 2600 some tiems and iti s still owning other dps class.</P> <P>About fighter pet that ppl is [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing the a lot about not beeing fair but it is ,well nerfing the dps of the pet but not the tank abbility /agro of it trough.</P> <P>There is other post talking about fighter pets on raids on how easy they outdamage sorcerors. LOL tank pets owning every one on parsing...... fruistrating.</P> <P>Also the +wis skill that prevents pets from getting hit by aoe, it works ok but I have owned conjurors using scout master pet with that buff just by usign fighter pet(that has a ton of hitpointsand so last the whole fight duration) on offensive buff  because the conjuror had to resummon pet at least once on that fight.DO you think this is fair ? PPL bought that +wis skill to stil lget owned by a "lazy" summoner using a fighter pet?</P> <P>Well, I just gave a few exemples, I belive we will still spank the mobs good when other classes with the LU will have a hell more hard time tryign to solo or do dps on xpgroup/raids.</P> <P>Once again people., stop crying before the LU24 is live ,wait for the patch to come and play it for aroudn three days before you have a final opinion if you need to quit the game or not.</P> <P>I see this LU24 to change the game a lot, maybe more then the LU that came with DoF expansion .Oh and other thing to continue to be soloing ok and dont be too dependent of a pet, get more avoidance, use some mitigation item, we are necros, we have uber power regen so forget a bit abotu FT items and high Int/HP size and go get mit and avoidance indead, you will tank the mobs s for your pet .Necros are not like every other class in game that it is hard to just keep one stat up.</P> <P>It is easy for any mage to max int but only a few will bother with avoidance(defense and agil gear) but for us necros this is the key, I recommedn you to try to boost these stats,it is fun garanteed and you wil lsee you will be a lot less dependent of pets ,expecialy the warrior.</P> <P>Allowen</P> <P>necromancer of Mistmoore server</P> <P>Lords of the triple moons.</P> <P> </P>

[Za]

<blockquote><hr>Lukundo wrote:<P>Zald, you are such a joker.  You have been on these boards for months yelling about the need to nerf the summoners.  You are a [Removed for Content], plain and simple.  (Anyone who hasn't kept up with the boards, please run a search on him).  You want a nerf of the class you play, and that is not going to make much sense to anyone.  </P><P>To all of you other fools that are saying a nerf is a good thing, then you too are just plain dumb.  Nerfs, for any class, suck.  SOE could care less if a few people quit the game, because not enough would actually quit to mean any real revenue loss and your protest will not make them change anything, but it will eliminate you having to deal with it.  So if you quit the game, do it because you don't want to play because of the changes, not because you think it will change anything.  </P><P>I agree with those of you who has said we should try to look on the bright side and hoping it is not that bad; but to the rest of you, what kind of person sits around hoping their class gets smacked with the nerf bat?  If you were making a lot more money than someone else would you be hoping that someone bashed you over the head and took your money so it would distribute the wealth in a more efficient manner?</P><hr></blockquote>Look, no one wants nerf... no one wants taxes either. But the consequence of not having either of those things is a reality that some people obviously don't bother considering. I'm not a necro in real life. I'm a 33 year old adult that spends his money one viable and fun game world. An unbalanced, unfair game platform won't stay viable for long. Some of you think you're all that matters, but ultimately, 2 years from now the people joining won't know how ubber necros were before the great LU24 nerf, they'll only know a world thats balanced and fun for them. For those playing now, yes, things change. I'm not a glutton for punishment, but nerf are a fact of life and are sometimes warranted. Your general assessment that nerfs are evil, nerfs are wrong, and anyone that wants nerfs is a [Removed for Content], is just plain imature. Bad nerfs are bad. Needed changes are needed. The necromancer class is overpowered in some cases for some players. Suggestion. Quit the game. People like you get so humg up in your own personal saitisfaction that you ignore or don't care about the fact that SOE is and should be designing for "everyone else" regardless of how it affects "you". In other words, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. If all you can see is your own shallow desire for power and ego food, then you'll alwasy be ticked off and mad at the world.BTW.... some goober in another thread accused me of being an LU13 tag along necro.... See people like that are just wrong at every walk of life... For the recod, I started my 1 and only EQ2 necro on June 13, 2005. By LU13, my char was L38 and dinged 40 like 2 days later. I enjoy the class and the game, but I care more about the game than the class. Some of you wouldn't mind if SoE implemented cheat codes, I would. Some of you are probably the kind of people that loved screwing over people with Diablo hacks... I hated you then and still do. In games like these its about everyone having a good time, and imbalance, cheats, and lack of developmental due diligence are the fastest way to kill a game. The necro imbalance was NOT that extreme, but neither is the fix. Go play on test, its really not that bad at all.<p>Message Edited by Zald on <span class=date_text>05-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:53 PM</span>

[Krescendo]

<P>Don't quit just start a Monk or Zerker alt like EVERYBODY else! (and yes, you can actually find a Necro adept every now and then now)</P> <P>Dispisable, 36 Necro, Befallen</P>

[Za]

<blockquote><hr>Lukundo wrote:<P>nbsp; If you were making a lot more money than someone else would you be hoping that someone bashed you over the head and took your money so it would distribute the wealth in a more efficient manner?</P><hr></blockquote>Oh and BTW, Bill Gates is one of the biggest supporters of Estate Taxes. Does that mean he wants to give away his billions, does it mean he hates his children? No... Some people just like to see the game played fairly. Some of us recognize that there are more important things in this universe than ourselves.

[Xarov]

<DIV>Puritain your comment about sorcerers being stupid an not conserving power IS THE STUPIDEST comment ive ever heard, do you raid ? Even with a master power feed, cani spell, manstone, clicky power back gloves, clicky power back range item, i cannot beat a necros ability to gain back power in a protracted raid fight... PERIOD ( image a necro with the same manastone, and clicky power back range item in which our guild necro has) uhhh yeah..... </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Summoners period will still have great raid dps, raid fights last pretty long ( esp named fights ) , over i think yall will be in good shape ( not quite the Gods anymore but still i good shape&nbsp<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Xarovix on <span class=date_text>05-28-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:04 PM</span>

[Whazy]

<P><FONT color=#ff0000 size=5>This adjustment to Summoners Pets' DPS is not as bad as some make out here.  </FONT><FONT color=#ff0033 size=5>If you want to see for yourself how the changes to our classes will affect us, here's what you can do:</FONT></P> <P> - Log on to the test server.</P> <P> - Create a level 1 Conjuror/Summoner</P> <P> - Go immediately to the Bell on the Dock, next to the ship.  This will transport you to the Fallen Dynasty Beta area.</P> <P> - Talk to the Guide to Fallen Dynasty who is right there on the dock as you arrive.  (he may be up only during certain hours)</P> <P> - Have the guide buff you to level 70.  He'll give you all Adept 3 spells.  The gear you'll get is not very good, FYI.</P> <P> - Go test out the changes in zones where you know the mobs and see what the difference is.</P> <P>It's always better to test things out first hand before forming opinions about it.  Everyone has a chance now to see the effects of the changes before they go live.</P> <P>Message Edited by Whazy on <SPAN class=date_text>05-30-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>06:54 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Whazy on <span class=date_text>05-30-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:57 AM</span>

[Suraklin]

Do what Whazy said. If ya don't like the changes then do us all a favor and hit cancel instead of whining. I played Necro before LU 13 I'll play Necro after LU 13. They really can't make us as bad as before LU 13 again I hope. I feel more sorry for the Troubies this LU than any class.

[Payne3]

<DIV>They don't care about the consumers or even if they are satisfied with their product just as long as the addicts keep paying their dues. The devs will not be satisfied till they nerf EQ2 into another crappy watered down mmorpg like they did with EQ1 pretty soon we will be all sitting around LFG because we won't be able to solo anymore or be able to afford to buy anything in game. I really do think that they forgot that this is a game for us (the consumer) and not just a job for them and that we are in fact supposed to be having fun. I know you can't please everyone but lets see an effort that includes all of us and not just a few. I think they would be really surprised if some third party consumer group (ie Consumer Reports or J.D. Power) did a consumer satisfaction survey and the real voice of the consumer was heard. They need to treat every server like it was a test server and listen to the majority of the players and not the minority on test.</DIV>

[Cecil_Stri]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Payne3 wrote:<BR> <DIV>They don't care about the consumers or even if they are satisfied with their product just as long as the addicts keep paying their dues. The devs will not be satisfied till they nerf EQ2 into another crappy watered down mmorpg like they did with EQ1 pretty soon we will be all sitting around LFG because we won't be able to solo anymore or be able to afford to buy anything in game. I really do think that they forgot that this is a game for us (the consumer) and not just a job for them and that we are in fact supposed to be having fun. I know you can't please everyone but lets see an effort that includes all of us and not just a few. I think they would be really surprised if some third party consumer group (ie Consumer Reports or J.D. Power) did a consumer satisfaction survey and the real voice of the consumer was heard. They need to treat every server like it was a test server and listen to the majority of the players and not the minority on test.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Thank you miss Cleo for that wonderful reading</P> <P> </P> <P>Can you tell me the lottery numbers now?</P>

[LiquidFlex]

<DIV>May I protest against the protests?  :smileywink:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'd just like to say that will all games, and especially this type, there will always be some group of people claiming "nerf" while the others claim "thank god for that nerf".</DIV> <DIV>It's all a FOTM factor anyway.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I remember over a year ago when I first created my necro, there wasn't hardly any other necros around. I was soloing like crazy up to lvl 25, then I took a year off from the game. I came back, and the entire server was flooded with necros.</DIV> <DIV>While I'm glad to see so many people playing the necro class, It's also a testament to how the devs will always change everything on every class line to ensure it is either A) Fair to other classes, or B) Actually being used by the people.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You cannot deny the amount of certain classes that flood all the servers. I personally find it very difficult to find a coercer. I have found more master spells for the coercer class, but can never sell them because none are ever around. I have actually only ever met about 5 or 6 on the MM server. It is such a rare class, yet a nice class to have in a group. However it seems that everyone else wants to be like everyone else and be able to be uber with their scout, or tank, or healer, or necro.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I just think that it should be looked at with a more open-minded outlook. It's more of a challenge this way. I personally will always play my necro, and never really care about the "nerfs" or "beefs" that are put forth. If you persist on focusing on 1 little aspect of a change, you will force yourself to nolonger see the positive aspects of the class.</DIV> <DIV>And besides, it's just a game. And like I said, ALL classes have or WILL have been "nerfed" at some point. I'm sure the devs know what they are doing, and if they do make an honest mistake, they will correct it as they have with a few of the ones in the past.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just my humble input.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Lirel (66Necro/Mistmoore/Exiles of the Sun)</DIV>

[Badly Brown]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>prince_sd wrote:<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Zald wrote:THANK YOU LORD! This is reason enough to look forward to LU24!<hr></blockquote>Oh so sweet. Did i make your day zald ? What class did you play before lu13 zald ? Be a man and play that. We don't need no people just "trying" to be necros in this thread.</div><p>Message Edited by prince_sd on <span class="date_text">05-17-2006</span> <span class="time_text">07:31 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>I played my Paly pre-Lu13 and I still do, does that make me a man? <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Everyone gets nerfed, this time its just the Necro's turn. Besides, I think we should at least wait to play LU24 before we complain and whine and want to quit. I just started a necro myself on Venekor and I think that it is great, but then again, ussually everyone complains about raids and such.</div><p>Message Edited by Badly Browned on <span class=date_text>06-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:32 AM</span>

[Za]

<blockquote><hr>prince_sd wrote:<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Zald wrote:THANK YOU LORD! This is reason enough to look forward to LU24!<hr></blockquote>Oh so sweet. Did i make your day zald ? What class did you play before lu13 zald ? Be a man and play that. We don't need no people just "trying" to be necros in this thread.</div><p>Message Edited by prince_sd on <span class=date_text>05-17-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:31 PM</span><hr></blockquote>Ahh yeah I forgot about that moronic post, heheI started my Necro June 05, By the time LU 13 came around it was L39 and I dinged 41 like 2 days later.It's impressive how some people are just plain wrong about any and everything that they say.And for anyone that's against LU24 changes without having actually TESTED them. Ignorance is no excuse for ignorance. Go play on test and THEN complain with something other than 4 year old aingst. The changes ARE NOT EVEN NOTICABLE for soloers. In many ways the scout pet is even more solo friendly, the faster heals really do help. The mage pet is just as good as it always has been, and the tank pet still holds the same agro...The most noticable change is the pack DF's recharge time.I'm VERY much looking forward to LU24, not just so people like Prince SD will completely loose credibility, but becasue its a good set of changes overall.

[Fle]

<P>What makes me angry though is all this crap about us being number one dps.</P> <P>Try killing a zerker , even lvl or a few lvls higher and watch as you get killed in under 5 seconds flat without being able to dent them.</P>

[Shalwin]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Fleet wrote:<BR> <P>What makes me angry though is all this crap about us being number one dps.</P> <P>Try killing a zerker , even lvl or a few lvls higher and watch as you get killed in under 5 seconds flat without being able to dent them.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>This has nothing to do with PvP, solo, or group play.  It's only being done because of raids.  The people in raids are generally the ones running parsers on every aspect of the game, and also the ones that complain the most. 

[Kharz]

<P>First off to the PvP person~</P> <P> </P> <P>For the last time all CA's and spells work differently in PvP then PvE. So quit comparing two things that are different. Plus LU24 is taking away many classes stuns and changing them to stifles. Therefor now you won't be stun locked and can cast, just not auto attack. (Like we auto attack...)</P> <P>Secondly for everyone protesting, you should really get more exposure to the current MMORPGs. Go play D&D Online, roll a Warforged and see how far you get! Or go roll a Mage in WoW and see if you do anything other then summon water come lvl 60! EQ2 has become a very well polished game and it keeps betting better as time goes along.</P> <P>Everyone who says that Summoners in general are not overpowered, you just can't play your class. When my wife and I see lone Summoners in dungeons only 2-3 lvls above that of my group soloing every named heroic with ease... Oh yeah that's balanced. When I go off and solo a group of 3-5 blue heroic mobs with ease just for fun, I can tell you we are overpowered. I have a a Necro and I love the class, but this change needs to happen. If you want to make up the difference of your pets go get some AA points! I see too many Necros with only 10-20 AAs. Go get all 50, plug them into your favorite style and get back in the game.</P> <P>Lastly for everyone enjoying the class, thank you! The people that have fun in game and stay positive are why this game is great. All the whiners and negative people need to go play an easy mode game. Go roll a Hunter in WoW and solo your whole life with ease. Heck go roll a Warlock, I'll even supply my talent spec and you'll be in the top 5 dmg dealers every raid. Or look back at how EQ2 used to be, I still recall the 600dmg rats in FG at lvl 15! Now anyone can solo. I see shamans soloing all the time, so don't tell me you as a Summoner with these changes won't be able to. Or that your playstyle will be so adversly effected that you need to quit. We just might not be able to solo all the named mobs in dungeons, oh darn. Everyone else, see you in game enjoying our class and our role in the game!</P>

[Kharz]

Edit: They changed the stuns to dazed. Not stifle. :smileywink:

[Gargamel]

Zald never met a nerf he didn't LOVE.Just another way to demonstrate how pathetic we all are compared to him and his ultimately adaptabiliy... if you cant deal with it, then you just aren't Zald.All hail Zald... the worlds BEST necromancer.<div></div>

[Fle]

<P>Kharzek, ive been playing mmorpgs now for 7 years. From eq1-eq2, swg, wow, daoc and others so i dont need a lecture.</P> <P>As long as the other classes get nerfed that beat us necros hands down when it comes to dps then fine. And yes i know pvp and pve spells do different dmg but a class like a zerker / ranger / assassin who put out insane amounts of dmg in pvp do so in pve too.</P>

[Kharz]

<P>Well Fleet~</P> <P>Same deal, can you show the Parses where a competent Necro is always beaten hands down? Can you import the graphs from ACT? I'm guessing not, most don't even have a parser or those that do never use all the features. But it goes right back to what I was saying. Where is the proof? Just a lot of talk and poor me syndroms. Unless you can build some clout by posting proof then I just don't see your point of view.</P>

[LiquidFlex]

<div></div>This post seems to be bending more towards personal verbal attacks on one another rather than an actual discussion of the topic at hand.Everyone is going to get their character class "altered" in some way or another. How many of you are going to put forth the same effort in defending or agreeing with other classes that get hit or get buffed?It's just a game. Just consider it a challenge. It makes the game more interesting. Especially since alot of people seem to be "grinding" to 70 rather than actually enjoying the entire gaming experience. So ya, if you rush to 70, you are probably quite bored with your current "grind" in the game, or maybe you just hit a stalemate for the moment until the next release of new content. Who really knows what the "true" underlying reasons are that each individual has for accepting/rebutting a specific type of update.I'm not for saying that the so called "<font color="#ff9900">nerf</font>" won't affect alot of people, but if you ever <font color="#33cc00">ONLY</font> look at the negative aspects, then you will <font color="#ff0000">never</font> really appreciate the rest of the effort of the game.I'm not saying this to anyone specific, so please don't come back and start a verbal war with me. I'm not in anyway questioning anyone's personal playstyle, or experience in their gaming history. I'm sure we all have oodles amount of in-game time in a vast variety of games.All I can say is just enjoy it for what it is. And if you cannot, then I guess this post doesn't really apply to you... not that it really applies to anyone at all anyway.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>