they're messing with us again

[armus5]

<div></div><div></div><div>I haven't seen a single post on this yet so here it comes. They are "fixing" our dumb-fire pets to die in AOEs again.</div><div> </div><div>- Dumbfire pets will now receive damage from AoEs that do not explicitly target them.</div><div>Since our pets are extremely weak, this will make a serious impact on our DPS. Raid mobs will one-shot them even if they were made vertually as strong as our tank pet. The only surviveability they have is the no-target rule. And even now, with the rule, they still get killed on a semi-regular basis.</div><div>The only plus side I could see to this was on mind-wiping mobs where the DOT gets us agro. My solution to this has been not to let the dogs out.  Otherwise, the spell is a significant part of our dps and it's about to have some problems.</div><p>Circle the wagons boys. We're in for some rough weather</p><p>Message Edited by armus550 on <span class="date_text">01-12-2006</span><span class="time_text">08:08 AM</span></p>

[KBern]

<div></div><p>Well if that is going in that is some ridiculous change.</p><p>Our dumbfire pets are simply dots...no other dots get wiped by AOE's so ours shouldn't either.</p><p>/sigh</p>

[Eriol]

Basically. We're getting ANOTHER dps nerf. Had to absorb one with Lich nerf, now absorbing another one.My [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] is killing me.

[quamdar]

yeah i just read that and it is total crap.  hope this doens't go live because that will really drop our DPS alot.  thought they said a long time ago they liked where our DPS was, around when they nerfed lich and said they were going to make up with that with improvements to deathly coil and torrential plague.  and they wonder why people never believe them they lie through their teeth time and time again.<div></div>

[WickedT]

<div>Bah! Yet another 'tweak' to us <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><div> </div><div>Sure hope they reduce the recast timer to compensate for this change...</div>

[Uglukson]

<div></div><font size="2"><p>Or change the Stench line back to a normal DoT. That would be fine if they insist on hammering dumbfire DPS on raids. It's not like we'd miss the mismatched combination of a mini-corpse coupled with the snake graphic.</p></font>

[cfteagu]

<div></div><p>I've been trying to decide if I still like this game enough to renew my billing.   If this change goes Live, I won't be.</p><p>It not so much "omg i quit" as "sheesh, give us a break".  They gave us the one-shot pets instead of dots.  They gave them almost no hps.   They made them immune to AEs.  And now they are making them useless vs AE mobs.</p><p>With "well thought out game development" like this, why should I expect my character will be more fun to play?</p>

[Sarkoris]

<div></div><div></div><p>I have been flying the Necromancer banner as much as I can in the live update feedback forums, for some reason having to defend against mainly Assassins posting that this is a logiocal and long overdue change. Come on over and make a stand guys, for as we all know its the squeakiest wheel that gets the oil.</p><p>Lol - I just noted all the infighting against this change has jumped me from Master to Champion so I guess I shoudl fight the good fight more often.</p><p>Sark.</p><p>Message Edited by Sarkoris on <span class="date_text">01-13-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:29 AM</span></p>

[armus5]

<div></div><div></div><p>Sark I appreciate the support with the flamers in test feedback. I would hope we could rally some support from the others and make some serious waves, like when lich got skrewed. I believe that only after we raise like three 150+ threads did SOE finally decide to increase some damage spells. I will of course plug that the increased spells were the weakest, longest casting spells we had and in no way balanced the lich nerf. This latest problem seeks to make dumbfires useless in raids. Most raid mobs have a 30 second aoe with a little variance to keep you guessing. If they average 30 seconds, killing our dumbfires, we'd have to wait 16 seconds to recast. By the time the pets made it to the mob, they might have 10 seconds of chomping before that aoe hit again. It's not like they weren't getting killed already despite the no-damage rule with LU13. They died, frequently. But this is going to reduce any effectiveness down to 10-15 seconds at best. And, btw, the ghastly line looks stupid.</p><p>I've asked for an answer on test feedback (I do have a test character). I don't know what it takes to warrant a dev reply but I've got my fingers crossed</p><p>Message Edited by armus550 on <span class="date_text">01-12-2006</span><span class="time_text">07:30 PM</span></p>

[Sir Alex]

<div>This is crap i really dont complain much but enough is enough every time i turn around its another nerf, i thought after the last patch devs said we were right were they wanted us to be but you get enough peopl crying and bam we get hit with another stupid change, i agree cancle the dumbfire pet and just give us a santard dot like it was before. anyways i have rolled with the changes good and bad but come on leave us alone for awhile</div>

[Elik]

<div></div><div>In my opinion its just a DOT with some qute graphics, so why not make ALL classes DOT's break on AOE? Why just summoner ones? How would the community like that? Please SOE make ALL offensive DOT's break on AOE...</div>

[Tokam]

<div></div>Ah crap, guess i'll be going back to my fury alt then - least that class doesn't pick up nerfs <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Elik]

<div></div>Doesent Furys get a dumbfire healer? When i think about it pretty much every class get a dumbfire, personae thingie...

[schrammy]

<div>its hopeless guys, anything you post over there gets burried by the same stupid arguements</div>

[Boran]

<font size="+1">" ...We shall not flag nor fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France and on the seas and oceans; we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air. We shall defend our island whatever the cost may be; we shall fight on beaches, landing grounds, in fields, in streets and on the hills. We shall never surrender and even if, which I do not for the moment believe, this island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, will carry on the struggle until in God's good time the New World with all its power and might, sets forth to the liberation and rescue of the Old." </font><font size="+1"></font><font size="+1"><font size="-1">Sir Winston ChurchillThe Retreat from FlandersWE SHALL DEFEND OUR ISLAND WHATEVER THE COSTBefore the House of Commons, June 4, 1940Sorry couldn't resist <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span> and goddammit I'm going down fighting <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></font></font>

[schrammy]

<div></div>I'm a Dark Elf necromancer. I cannot be persuaded with puny british propaganda <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />)

[KBern]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>schrammy wrote:<div>its hopeless guys, anything you post over there gets burried by the same stupid arguements</div><hr></blockquote><p>The things that makes these ignoramases post is simply because the devs feel the need to tag these dots with the name Pet.</p><p>All they see is Pet, so we hear the "learn to time AOE's! Learn to Joust! Pets shouldnt immune to AOE's!!! etc etc</p><p>The devs REALLY need to step up and tell us why this is going in and what the justification for it is.</p><p>Again, lower the DPS of these spells, lower the duration some, but do not make them get dispelled by offensive AOE's.</p><p>The ignorance, and childish glee stemming from that ignorance and envy from some of the posts on that thread makes me sick.</p>

[schrammy]

<div>The funny part is, these are the same dumb jerks that were complaining that we needed the lich nerf (it did make more sense back then, but still)</div><div> </div><div>And once again, this nerf is solely thanks to the whining asassins and sorcerers out there.</div><div>Why the F should they be tier1 and we be Tier2/3</div><div>We are mages, and mages do massive dps PERIOD.</div><div> </div><div>there are more losers complaining about beeing outdps'ed by necros every day. yet they find it absolutely normal that they get outdps'ed by rangers. Why??</div><div>Because some loser posted a DPS tree at some point, people would have been half as upset if that stupid tree was never posted.</div><div>The same people were saying that we deserved the one point dmg rule affecting our xp <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[sneakli]

<div></div><p>I have not been in the fray because I feel the devs don't really care how we feel about it.  They seem to have a very "Them Vs Us" thing going.</p><p> </p><p>My main is an assassin and I play a necro. </p><p>Personally I think on raids the classes are mainly balanced in the order moorguard gave us. </p><p>But what makes it appear (to the melee dps at least) so out of wack is the tremendous difference buffs can make.</p><p>For a caster I believe no amount of buffs is going to signifigantly increase our dps, but the melee folks can, insome cases, double their dps with all the right buffs/debuffs.</p><p> </p><p>So, when solo or small group play comes around the melee folks are doing a third or so of the damage they did on the raid, and see the casters still doing 90% of their damage. It is a huge inconsistancy.</p><p>The result is my assassin can be LFG for hours and have difficulty soloing anything useful, and my necro can be soloing very well and get numerous invites while not LFG.</p><p>so really it's a perception problem.</p><p>Just my 2 cents.</p><p> </p><p>PS oh and the assassins are also always asking why we are not equal to the rangers ...offfensive stance buffs have different %'s to proc. ... blah,blah,blah.</p>

[DantesInfer]

<div>Again?!?!?! Guess I'll have to go over and staunchly support our class!</div>