All out Int, or try to balance out Wis, Sta and Agi?

[lyndonuk]

<div></div><div></div><div></div>OK, I admit it, I am a level 58 Necro Noob!My stats unbuffed are:-Str - 31Agi - 66Sta - 33Int - 283Wis - 38I'm not a power gamer or in a uber high end guild... but I am doing ok, have some nice gear and am having fun, and that's what counts.I took the wrong Master II at 54, even though I did a lot of reading :/, so want to use my respec thingy to fix my error and at the same time fix all the other bad choices I probably made.I have dug out guides on what Traits/Training Spells we get at what levels, and want to plan out exactly what to take when I respec.My question is when offered with the Stat increase Traits should I be going for Int every time, or should I be trying to boost other stats like Wis, Sta, Agi?<p>Message Edited by lyndonuk on <span class="date_text">01-07-2006</span><span class="time_text">10:33 AM</span></p>

[Arrowheart]

<div>Im sure there are others who will disagree but myself I rank them as follows (for a mage):</div><div> </div><div>Int > Sta > Wis > Str > Agi</div><div> </div><div>If you do not easily cap Int in groups/raids I would stick with going all out Int for trait choices.</div><div>If you do reach the cap (7 x level) then I would consider going stamina for extra hps or wisdom for extra resist.</div>

[Xalmat]

<blockquote><hr>lyndonuk wrote:<div></div><div></div><div></div>My stats unbuffed are:-Str - 31Agi - 66Sta - 33Int - 283Wis - 38<hr></blockquote>LOL, looks a lot like my stats. I'd say you're doing pretty good.Here's mine:Strength 33Agility 45Stamina 48Intelligence 331Wisdom 72Have an EQ2Players.com profile to look at for gear recommendations?<p>Message Edited by Xalmat on <span class="date_text">01-07-2006</span><span class="time_text">06:26 AM</span></p>

[Calib]

I think a little str is good for carrying stuff.  and if you can get in on the action with your swings, it helps too.  especially if you can get your crushing/piercing up.agi is good for avoidance, probably better then stamina, because at higher levels when a mob hits you, you will need a TON of stamina to help you.  1 stamina = 1 hp?  insignificant.  I wouldnt worry about wisdom, thats only if you get casted on, which is rare.1  agi2  str/sta3  wis<div></div>

[Meyle]

Personally, I try for sta.I am always in Lich form and am usualy the healer when duo'ing or in small groups, so those extra hp always help out when your sacraficeing them.<div></div>

[Kniives]

Int > Wis / Agi > Sta > StrInt = power pool and how much dmg one doesWis =  Every point in here boost ALL you magical resistsAgi = Not getting Hit is the key to survival in a tough situation, doesnt matter if you got 5k hp when the epic mob hits you for 10k+Sta = The more you have, the best it is for obvious reasons, and some of our spells requires Health instead of manaStr = Nice for carrying stuff... but you can do without, unless you duel and get almost rooted when you get debuffed with Str.

[Yirabeth]

I also heal/backup heal alot, I go INT -- STA -- WIS -- AGI -- STRJust makes more sense to have the HP to pass on in my situation <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />~Yira<div></div>

[stgninja]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Yirabeth wrote:I also heal/backup heal alot, I go INT -- STA -- WIS -- AGI -- STRJust makes more sense to have the HP to pass on in my situation <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />~Yira<div></div><p></p><p></p><hr><p>I do the exact same thing for the same reason, here are my stats on my 46 necro:</p><p>STR - 29</p><p>AGI - 49</p><p>STA - 90</p><p>INT - 237</p><p>WIS - 74</p><p></p></blockquote>

[lyndonuk]

Thanks for the advice all.<div></div>

[Calib]

one thing to think about too though, is that you are probably better off with health regen over power regen.  I only say this because at 54, I have no power problems with lich and power tapping the pet.  but Health regen is key to countering the lich effect and for our healing.<div></div>

[NUKER 1]

<div></div>how can ya be a noob at 58?   int is the most important till you get capped....which is 7 times your lvl..after that stamina is king.

[Named]

<div></div><div>Soft cap is 7x your level.</div><div>Hard cap is 7x lvl + base int ( I think, normally 20? ).</div><div> </div><div>But yeah, int > sta > wis > str > agi.</div><p>Message Edited by Named88 on <span class="date_text">01-07-2006</span><span class="time_text">04:54 PM</span></p>

[Viln]

<div></div><p>Does your INT affect the pets damage at all? Since it is considered to be a spell and all?</p><p>If it doesn't, high INT items aren't worth as much to us as they are to sorcerers. My 27 warlock has much higher damage spells than my 55 necro, and it makes it harder to justify competing for those items.</p>

[Named]

<div>Int is still your primary attribute. Thats like saying paladins shouldn't be bidding on sta items because they should all go to the guardian because he will be tanking everything.</div>

[Viln]

<div></div><p>That's true. But INT items are generally overpriced, because the other mage classes really notice a difference. 22 INT from my imbued pearl ring only adds 24 damage to Siphon Life, so it doesn't seem as noticeable. And how exactly does INT work? does it increase the damage by a percentage of the original amount? Or just a set amount ?</p>

[Arrowheart]

<div>INT is more than just your dmg bonus it is also your primary stat for your power pool. Agreed INT items can be overpriced there is no reason to dismiss that it is the most important mage stat regardless of your specific class. If you do not strive to cap it then you are not using your full potential, dps or power pool.</div>

[soulrais]

<div></div><p>ill look for the screen shot but few raids back had a perfect caster group and had 700 int with 6300 power ... gotta love some the buffs of other classes )</p><p> </p><p>but for me its INT - sta then everything else</p><p> </p>

[lyndonuk]

<div></div><div><span><blockquote><hr>NUKER 101 wrote:how can ya be a noob at 58? <hr></blockquote>Because it's my opinion that we are all noobs... until we beat the next mob/event, then we start again.In other words we're all noobs at something.I have basically just bumbled along through 58 levels (and many levels on other characters) having fun.Although I usually play 12+ hours day every day, </span><span>I do not consider myself a hardcore or power gamer</span><span>, and suffer from a mental health issue that makes it hard for me to cope with details and statistics, so things like Wis and Resists have not been at the forefront of my mind.I had searched these forums, searched the web, and nowhere can I find any info what told me what the cap was (except for some bad info that was based on EQ1), couldn't even find a basic guide on how important Wis is for Mages (ie like in EQ1 does my Wis affect the effectiveness of my Charm Undead etc).We have a great Necro FAQ which is well written and provides great information, but even in there it doesn't discuss stat balance, what resists are best for Mages and Necro's.As a result of all of this I didn't know the answers to some basic questions - so therefore I was a noob and will continue to be a noob in the future :p</span></div><p>Message Edited by lyndonuk on <span class="date_text">01-09-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:12 AM</span></p>

[Tokam]

<div></div><p>Ello Lyndonuk <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>My own preferance for stats are.... Int > Sta > (stuff). I find that is you just concentrate on items with good Int then you usually pick up a nice balance of the other stats as you go.</p><p>I think a realistic target is to have over 4000 power and over 3000 hit points. I usually just inspect other mages as I wander about - if they have some treasured / legendary thing that I think i might like then i send a polite /tell asking where abouts they got it from <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> You can especially look at how other necros have equiped themselves on your server if you get into the habbit of doing this, and see which stats people are trying to raise other than int.</p>

[Deila]

<div></div><p>Have to agree with the many other posters - I like INT (spell damage) > STA (health to manipulate) > WIS (resists) > and then whatever, with just enough STR to not get weighed down during a normal day's adventuring. Though my current stats show extra AGI, that's just a byproduct of a couple of the nicer pieces of gear I've come across happening to have AGI on them as well.</p><p>My stats now, self-buffed, as a 58 Necromancer:</p><p>STR - 43AGI - 80STA - 111INT - 322WIS - 53</p><p>One day, I decided (realized?) that as Necromancers, we understand that health is not just something to jealously protect, but that <em>it's a tool to be used</em>. Several of our abilities use our health to accomplish other things, and in that light, my health pool is just as important a tool to me as my power pool. More health allows me to manipulate more abilities, and for longer. Just the way I do things.</p><p>Other Mage subclasses may look to AGI second, for increased avoidance. We have pets to stand in front for us, so I think AGI is less important for us summoner-types in general.</p>

[Tokam]

<div></div><p>Wow delia - so you do venture out into the big wide world sometimes :smileyvery-happy:</p><p>And there was me thinking it was all cook cook cook :smileytongue:</p>

[Named]

<div>I've had just under 800 int before. I've also had a few times where I was like 8500 power. I can post a couple screenies when I get home... <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[Kausticus]

<div></div><p>Ive always gone route of INT>STA...and let equipment fill in the rest.....and I try to shop wisely to get the most for my money. Also been lucky with grps or raids.</p><p>STR - 38</p><p>AGL - 49</p><p>STA - 53</p><p>INT - 345</p><p>WIS - 58</p><p>Guukaz - Lvl 60 Necromancer - Butherblock</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p>

[Sarkoris]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><p>Don't forget as you approach or exceed the int cap that items with direct power/health can be more beneficial than an item with high int.</p><p>For example if your level 50 and group often with friends that get your Int over the soft cap of about 350 int, dropping a 10 int 25 power item in favour of a 5 int, 55 power item can help get the most out of your power base.</p><p>But until you can reliably approach or exceed the Int cap by priority would be Int/Sta/Str/Agi (I like to stay out for long grinds so being able to carry a fair bit is important to me). Once the cap is passed my priority when looking for equipment upgrades would be Direct Power/HP/Int/Sta/Str/Agi. I like to keep gaining int even after I normally exceed the cap as you are not always in the perfect group.</p><p>Oops - nearly forgot - normal unbuffed stats are:</p><p></p><p><span class="field_name_small">Strength </span><span class="field_data_small">39</span></p><p><span class="field_data_small"></span><span class="field_name_small">Agility </span><span class="field_data_small">104</span></p><p><span class="field_data_small"></span><span class="field_name_small">Stamina </span><span class="field_data_small">78</span></p><p><span class="field_data_small"></span><span class="field_name_small">Intelligence </span><span class="field_data_small">285</span></p><p><span class="field_data_small"></span><span class="field_name_small">Wisdom </span><span class="field_data_small">77</span></p><p>Yes even at Level 60 I am nowhere the Int cap solo, usually easily exceed it raid buffed. I am a cheapskate and really need to buy some pearls/go harvesting to get some better int jewellery </p><p> </p><p>Sark.</p><p>Message Edited by Sarkoris on <span class="date_text">01-10-2006</span><span class="time_text">10:41 AM</span></p>

[Boran]

<div></div>Unbuffed and soloing (using Yedads)<span class="field_name_small">Strength   </span><span class="field_data_small">   40</span><span class="field_name_small">Agility</span><span class="field_data_small">            88</span><span class="field_name_small">Stamina</span><span class="field_data_small">        101</span><span class="field_name_small">Intelligence</span><span class="field_data_small">    301</span><span class="field_name_small">Wisdom</span><span class="field_data_small">        97</span>If I'm grouped or raiding then I will use prismatic with tome of esoteric power (will drop the other stats slightly but raise my INT by 20)For me it's INT>STA/WIS. I have been saved from aoe's on numerous raids by getting my resists right so I am trying to work on my WIS. I usually carry the potion font of knowledge too as this adds 47 INT/WIS for 30 minutes as well as eating trail mix for the extra 9 INT/WIS.

[Delameko Stone]

I've never even bothered looking at my stats before, I think I'm going to be keeping a closer eye on them after reading this thread <span>:smileyhappy:</span>

[hammong]

<div>As the senior OGRE Necromancer on my server, I consider the STA to be very helpful.  </div><div> </div><div>Unbuffed stats at 54 with reasonably decent gear (check profile at eq2players if you wish) </div><div> </div><div>STR 55</div><div>AGI 56</div><div>STA 102</div><div>INT 289</div><div>WIS 95</div><div> </div><div>HP 2706</div><div>POWER 3640</div><div> </div><div> </div>