Lich Breaking Mez/Fear?

[Elveira]

<DIV>((search feature is down right now so sorry if this has been covered before))</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I've been noticing some strange behavior with my fear breaking as of late. At first I could quite figure out why, it would hit, then the guy would just stop and return to the fight. Then I grouped with a Coercer the other night and mez was breaking all over the place. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The only thing I can deduce is that Lich inflicts damage on the encounter, and since fear itself can trigger a Lich proc, the subsequent proc hit broke the fear. Why mez is breaking would be pretty much self-explanatory if that is indeed the case.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Am I correct on this? If so, I presume most of you don't have Lich on when there's a mezzer in the group.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Named]

<DIV>I always have lich on, unless the mob I'm fighting is Disease immune.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Looking through my logs I can guarentee that our lich proc is hitting BEFORE our fear, root, and snare spells. Thus, lich isn't breaking them. I don't know if the other classes' procs work this way though.</DIV>

[Elveira]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Named88 wrote:<BR> <DIV>Looking through my logs I can guarentee that our lich proc is hitting BEFORE our fear, root, and snare spells. Thus, lich isn't breaking them. I don't know if the other classes' procs work this way though.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I'll take your word on that. :smileywink: Then most likely the Lich proc is breaking Fear when one my pets procs it. I just know I've seen situations where I cast fear, it starts to take (I see the mob turn), I cast nothing else, and the guy just stops in his tracks, turns around and resumes fighting (and no, my pets aren't on that particular mob). </P>

[Named]

<DIV>Yeah, I've seen similar things. Like the other day I had root break and no fear pop up.. Not really sure what causes it.</DIV>

[Eriol]

To be fair, the log isn't a cardinal record of what's happening in the game. It's completely possible that the log isn't reflecting the actual order of spell application.

[El Chupacabr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Elveira wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Named88 wrote:<BR> <DIV>Looking through my logs I can guarentee that our lich proc is hitting BEFORE our fear, root, and snare spells. Thus, lich isn't breaking them. I don't know if the other classes' procs work this way though.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I'll take your word on that. :smileywink: <STRONG>Then most likely the Lich proc is breaking Fear when one my pets procs it. </STRONG>I just know I've seen situations where I cast fear, it starts to take (I see the mob turn), I cast nothing else, and the guy just stops in his tracks, turns around and resumes fighting (and no, my pets aren't on that particular mob). </P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I've had lich break a currently held root while the refresh root was resisted... pretty sure it casts first but I can't guarantee that.  The bold, however, is not true.  Only you proc lich, your pet does not.</P> <P>Fear has a persistant chance of being resisted and what upgrading that spell does for you.</P>

[Named]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Eriol wrote:<BR>To be fair, the log isn't a cardinal record of what's happening in the game. It's completely possible that the log isn't reflecting the actual order of spell application.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>True, more testing is needed. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Elveira]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <P>So pet activity has no bearing whatsoever on whether Lich procs? I could have sworn I read somehere else that pet attacks have a chance to proc Lich as well.</P> <P></P> <HR> <P>El Chupacabras wrote:</P> <P>Fear has a persistant chance of being resisted and what upgrading that spell does for you.<BR></P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Well that would explain the Fear problem. But what about the mez issue? Is Lich an encounter proc or only on the current target. Just trying to figure out why mez was busting all over the place as well.</P> <P>I will add that I've never seen Chains break once it stuck, even with Lich on and me casting like mad on other nasties, so I may be all wet on this. :smileywink:<BR></P>

[Named]

<DIV>Lich procs on whatever you cast on. Your pet can't proc it. Your ae spell will proc lich on every mob that your spell hits.</DIV>

[Elveira]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Named88 wrote:<BR> <DIV>Lich procs on whatever you cast on. Your pet can't proc it. Your ae spell will proc lich on every mob that your spell hits.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I tend to avoid AE spells in groups. So I guess I was wrongly blaming myself when someone else was the culprit. :smileywink:</P> <P> </P>

[Eriol]

<blockquote><hr>Elveira wrote:I tend to avoid AE spells in groups. So I guess I was wrongly blaming myself when someone else was the culprit. :smileywink:<hr></blockquote>IMO they REALLY need to bring back the EQ1 "x has broken mez on (target)!" messages. Behavior shaped up within DAYS of that change going in (and they finally stopped blaming magician's pets, and found out it was USUALLY the melee).

[Greggthegrmreapr]

<DIV>I've had several instances where i try to save the healer some power by fearing/rooting an add, but somone in the group hits it shortly after fear lands so it breaks.  rather annoying.    other than that, i've never had any problem with it.</DIV>

[Abazagorath]

<P>Another awesome problem that we have is the DoT portion of the Darkness line can actually be enough for it to break the snare portion of the spell.  I have tested this rather extensively on grey through yellow con mobs, both solo and heroic.  In testing, I didn't use lich, didn't have a pet up, and cast NOTHING but Decaying Darkness (I think that's the T6 one).  Anyways, a disturbing amount of the time, the miniscule DoT portion of the spell was enough for it to break the initial snare.  Furthermore, the secondary, "unbreakable" snare didn't always cast and could STILL be broken or resisted.  I won't even get into how the DoT portion of Darkness can break roots and other spells as it's just annoying.  I personally would love for them to remove the DoT portion of this spell all together since it really does nothing for you in a fight, especially when kiting/distancing yourself is crucial to your strategy.  The DoT is actually more of a liability than a benefit.</P> <P>As for the original topic, any damage that a mob takes while feared or mezzed has a chance at breaking the effect (read above).  Lich is adding 100+ damage to every cast, so it is adding to the chance that a spell you cast can break subjugation-based spells.  Furthermore, lich actually casts a spell ALONG WITH the spell that you cast (Lich's Siphoning or something like that).  So, you are actually casting TWICE on every ONE spell that you cast, effectively doubling the chances that you are going to break whichever spell.  Of course, given the fact that this is one of the rare spells in the game that procs on every use, the risk of using it is justifiable and logical IMO and doesn't really need to be changed - it just requires you to think a little more than you would by spamming buttons.</P>