control undeath

[tl1000]

<DIV>just got this spell at adept3 [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] what a spell bin walking around with a 54^^^ spectre pet in shimmering citadel lol just abit of a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] when it breaks though oh and no-one wants to dual me hahah</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Double</DIV> <DIV>Kithicor</DIV>

[Lodor]

<DIV>Having a nice undead charmed at same time as having your scout pet out is major overkill usually also.</DIV>

[Calib]

This spell sounds like something to look forward too.  Can you send it to attack while sending your pet to attack? <div></div>

[Urbanna]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> tl1000sp wrote:<BR> <DIV>just got this spell at adept3 [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] what a spell bin walking around with a 54^^^ spectre pet in shimmering citadel lol just abit of a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] when it breaks though oh and no-one wants to dual me hahah</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Double</DIV> <DIV>Kithicor</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>pretty sure you can't duel with a charmed pet anways.

[Fierce Ra]

Anybody tried this spell on an epic mob.  That would be so cool if you could charm epics, but I don't think you can.

[Named]

<DIV>You can't charm epics.</DIV>

[tl1000]

awww shame u carnt dual with a charmed pet but then we dont realy need any help in that department lol but the amount of attention u get when ur using a 54^^^ spectre along with ur normal pet to fight mobs is soooo funny lol for me its almost a class defining spell

[Lodor]

You can charm heroics that are part of a epic group though just like how you can mez them.

[quamdar]

though it is more than likely a bug a illusionist i think was able to bounce a charm back at spiregaze and made it his pet. <div></div>

[Stealer]

Very Fun and Usfull Spell. Really a Must have adept3 as lower LVLS of the spell Break to much for it to be asset. <div></div>

[gr8scott]

<P>Just got this spell last night and only had a few minutes to try it out (dead tired after grinding the last bit to get it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. </P> <P> Anyway, is there a way to get 2 pet boxes up?  </P> <P>It seemed like the charmed pet would mimic the actions of the regular pet (issue attack and both attack).  The first time I cast it I swear I thought the charmed pet was the pet in the pet window.  2nd and final time I cast it, the regular pet stayed in the pet window.   It would be nice to share some of the pet buffs between the pets.  I was thinking you could cast the assassin pet, then buff offensive always on buffs, then charm something and cast defensive stance.  Not sure what combo of regular pet / charmed pet / buff split is best but looking forward to finding out!</P> <P> </P> <P>Can't wait to give this a spin in living tombs <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P> <P>GS</P>

[Dayi]

<P>ok charm pets get your pet buffs and along side you normal pet . Also you can heal both your pets at the same time with your single pet heal, warning this will suck your hp rather fast. You can also charm more then one undead mob at time but how ya do I aint sure, Done it before but i was in in the middle of a fight and i didnt notice what i did.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Thakar]

For those looking forward to this spell, please keep in mind that whatever you charm gets downgraded so that it's no longer heroic or has any up arrows....it looks like it still does, but its damage is lowered to be similar to your pet...however, you can use it alongside your normal pet. <div></div>

[sithlord]

<P>I am a lvl 55 necro on the lavastorm server, and have not seen this spell anywhere. Can someone indicate where I can find this spell. Thanks Chukeklu.</P>

[Tzen]

It's an ancient spell.  Either crafted or dropped as an adept I <P></P>

[sithlord]

Okies, thanks for the info.

[HollowMan11]

<P></P>Yeah its similar to getting drawing of souls..either have to get pear and the recipe or find an adept 1 of it.  Adept 1's seem to be somewhat rare.

[iria]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Thakar wrote:<BR>For those looking forward to this spell, please keep in mind that whatever you charm gets downgraded so that it's no longer heroic or has any up arrows....it looks like it still does, but its damage is lowered to be similar to your pet...however, you can use it alongside your normal pet.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>ok, can you explain to me how this works.  I have seen that if I charm a triple up, its not near as tough.  Does a individual mob get a boost or what level of mob is the best for charming?   A no arrow heroic?  bc it might not change much?  or a double up heroic?  Charming the triple ups means they are triple ups when they break.. ouch.   </P> <P>Also, I haven't totally gotten the buffs.  It appears when I use my Tank pet with Master 2 defensive buffs and then charm a mob, the charmed mob gets the tank buffs and not the tank pet.  But the tank pet will always get agro and not the charmed pet.  The Tank pet seems to die ALOT faster than normal ( ie he can't tank well when I got a charmed mob even against the very same mob ).   Then after tank pet dies, charmed mob doesn't hold agro and mob jumps to me.   </P> <P>Do the defensive or offensive buffs go on both?  do they just go on the charmed mob?  do they split on both?  Someone in my guild said that both get the buffs, but it sure seems like the tank pets just are wimps when you have a charmed pet.  </P> <P> </P> <P></P>

[MrGrimm9]

<P></P> <P></P> <P>This is how it works.  When you charm a mob, the mob gets its abilities as if it were now a pet.  So if you charm a level 50^^^ it becomes as if it was a level 50 pet.  Say you charm a 50th level ^^^ mage mob.  Now the mob is the same as a 50th level pet that is a mage, similar to the conj pet prolly.  It will still have its abilities but they will be scaled based on what rank of spell you have.  If you have adept I control undeath, the mob now all has adept I abilities/spells, if you have master control undeath, the mob will have all master abilities/spells.  It would be severly unbalanced to charm a ^^^ mob and it to hit and do its regular abilities.  Don't hold me to this, but I do not think the arrow system even matters when you charm the mob.  If you charm a level 50 ^^^, it is the same as charming a level 50 triple down (once again this is NOT confirmed) but this is how I thought it worked.  In any case it is confirmed that the mob is scaled as a pet and has spells/abilities with the rank of the control undeath spell.  Also, the charmed mob and your pet are affected by whatever buffs you have on, so if you have defensive stance on then both have defensive stance on.</P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by MrGrimm999 on <span class=date_text>10-27-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:20 AM</span>

[Za]

<blockquote><hr>MrGrimm999 wrote:<P></P> <P></P> <P>This is how it works.  When you charm a mob, the mob gets its abilities as if it were now a pet.  So if you charm a level 50^^^ it becomes as if it was a level 50 pet.  Say you charm a 50th level ^^^ mage mob.  Now the mob is the same as a 50th level pet that is a mage, similar to the conj pet prolly.  It will still have its abilities but they will be scaled based on what rank of spell you have.  If you have adept I control undeath, the mob now all has adept I abilities/spells, if you have master control undeath, the mob will have all master abilities/spells.  It would be severly unbalanced to charm a ^^^ mob and it to hit and do its regular abilities.  Don't hold me to this, but I do not think the arrow system even matters when you charm the mob.  If you charm a level 50 ^^^, it is the same as charming a level 50 triple down (once again this is NOT confirmed) but this is how I thought it worked.  In any case it is confirmed that the mob is scaled as a pet and has spells/abilities with the rank of the control undeath spell.  Also, the charmed mob and your pet are affected by whatever buffs you have on, so if you have defensive stance on then both have defensive stance on.</P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by MrGrimm999 on <span class=date_text>10-27-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:20 AM</span><hr></blockquote>1 correction.Charms all lower the target to un modified OR WORSE.So if you charm a L50 ^^^ mob, it will fight as a L50 no arrow mob. If you charm a L50 vvv mob, it will fight like a gimped L50 vvv mob.I haven't tested, but the ^^^ will probably resist better than the vvv mob, but on my other chars with charm, I've never really noticed a difference.

[lancekortesoja]

<span><blockquote><hr>Zald wrote:<blockquote><hr>MrGrimm999 wrote:<p></p> <p></p> <p>This is how it works.  When you charm a mob, the mob gets its abilities as if it were now a pet.  So if you charm a level 50^^^ it becomes as if it was a level 50 pet.  Say you charm a 50th level ^^^ mage mob.  Now the mob is the same as a 50th level pet that is a mage, similar to the conj pet prolly.  It will still have its abilities but they will be scaled based on what rank of spell you have.  If you have adept I control undeath, the mob now all has adept I abilities/spells, if you have master control undeath, the mob will have all master abilities/spells.  It would be severly unbalanced to charm a ^^^ mob and it to hit and do its regular abilities.  Don't hold me to this, but I do not think the arrow system even matters when you charm the mob.  If you charm a level 50 ^^^, it is the same as charming a level 50 triple down (once again this is NOT confirmed) but this is how I thought it worked.  In any case it is confirmed that the mob is scaled as a pet and has spells/abilities with the rank of the control undeath spell.  Also, the charmed mob and your pet are affected by whatever buffs you have on, so if you have defensive stance on then both have defensive stance on.</p> <p><span class="time_text"></span> </p><p>Message Edited by MrGrimm999 on <span class="date_text">10-27-2005</span> <span class="time_text">09:20 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>1 correction.Charms all lower the target to un modified OR WORSE.So if you charm a L50 ^^^ mob, it will fight as a L50 no arrow mob. If you charm a L50 vvv mob, it will fight like a gimped L50 vvv mob.I haven't tested, but the ^^^ will probably resist better than the vvv mob, but on my other chars with charm, I've never really noticed a difference.<hr></blockquote>Both wrong. it turns in to a no arrow mob even tho It may not show it</span><p></p>

[Amra-c0d]

<DIV>I have a few questions about this spell.  Is it a for fun spell or is it actually useful?  Also, is the adept 1 version worth getting or does it break outta charm too often?  </DIV>

[MrGrimm9]

<DIV>I have found it useful when soloing, having an extra pet puts up some nice dps.  But if you are questing looking at webpages for the next step or in a group, it probably isnt a good idea.</DIV>

[Za]

<blockquote><hr>lancekortesoja wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>Zald wrote:<blockquote><hr>MrGrimm999 wrote:<p></p> <p></p> <p>This is how it works.  When you charm a mob, the mob gets its abilities as if it were now a pet.  So if you charm a level 50^^^ it becomes as if it was a level 50 pet.  Say you charm a 50th level ^^^ mage mob.  Now the mob is the same as a 50th level pet that is a mage, similar to the conj pet prolly.  It will still have its abilities but they will be scaled based on what rank of spell you have.  If you have adept I control undeath, the mob now all has adept I abilities/spells, if you have master control undeath, the mob will have all master abilities/spells.  It would be severly unbalanced to charm a ^^^ mob and it to hit and do its regular abilities.  Don't hold me to this, but I do not think the arrow system even matters when you charm the mob.  If you charm a level 50 ^^^, it is the same as charming a level 50 triple down (once again this is NOT confirmed) but this is how I thought it worked.  In any case it is confirmed that the mob is scaled as a pet and has spells/abilities with the rank of the control undeath spell.  Also, the charmed mob and your pet are affected by whatever buffs you have on, so if you have defensive stance on then both have defensive stance on.</p> <p><span class="time_text"></span> </p><p>Message Edited by MrGrimm999 on <span class="date_text">10-27-2005</span> <span class="time_text">09:20 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>1 correction.Charms all lower the target to un modified OR WORSE.So if you charm a L50 ^^^ mob, it will fight as a L50 no arrow mob. If you charm a L50 vvv mob, it will fight like a gimped L50 vvv mob.I haven't tested, but the ^^^ will probably resist better than the vvv mob, but on my other chars with charm, I've never really noticed a difference.<hr></blockquote>Both wrong. it turns in to a no arrow mob even tho It may not show it</span><p></p><hr></blockquote>Ok just did some parsing and you're correct that although the mob keeps its down arrows, it hits like an even con... which is contrary to how SOE says it works and is pretty exploitable...I wouldn't get used to it, I'd expect this to be fixed at some point.

[Anim]

Wow what a spell, had this made as adept3 yesterday, and in 2 hours of play had my charm break just ONCE.  ONCE people.  Get this spell. You can tell it needs some tuning, but overall its a great spell and makes soloing all the easier.  Even when you need to recast your charm if the timer is low....more than half the time it immediately agroes your pet giving you plenty of time to recharm......too sweet.  Was soloing heroics all over the place near the tears in SS.....the raptors, lizardmen, etc.  Even got a master chest to drop with a 54 Chanter master in it.....mind whip, or something like that. Im in love with this spell in case you hadnt noticed.  My only gripe......seeing as how its a 55th level spell.  I havent seen a whole lot of undead in the 55+ game, unless you go to SC really.  SO limited uses for it so far. <div></div>

[gr8scott]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Animar wrote:<BR>Wow what a spell, had this made as adept3 yesterday, and in 2 hours of play had my charm break just ONCE.  ONCE people.  Get this spell. <BR><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Play around with it some more.  This spell breaks quite often.  If you can find an even con no arrow or worse then it is a great addition.  If you can only find a ^^^ it is quite a bit riskier.  I have the adept 3 and haven't done extensive testing, but it does break a lot.  Useful spell in the right situation and definitely helpful when you are trying to prep for a single big encounter.  Not sure I would add it to the standard solo grind just yet (again unless even con no arrows or worse are around).  I do think it is fun and applaud the utility <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>GS</DIV>

[Sarkoris]

<DIV>Just curious while I am at work. I'll try the tactic later when I get home. Use the charm to effectively lower a mobs hp. This is dependant of a few things I have not had a chance to check. By my understanding a charmed mob becomes a no ^ mob of the appropriate level. Here is my tactic. Feel free to try it and report back.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Is Warclaw an undead mob. If so, charm him, this drops his hp to a level 57 no arrow mob and he will get hit by his guards as will normal pet. When Warclaw is at like 20-30 per cent health, manually drop charm, and immediatley set pet on him. One dead 1/4 strength named. Yes he will return to his normal strength but will his hp return to full or remain at charmed level. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This would only work under certain conditions.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>When charm breaks do mobs immediately return to full health or remain at their charmed damage levels ? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>To put this into persepctive.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Say full strength Warclaw has 10k hp. When charmed he might drop to 5-6k. When he has taken 3-4k damage from his own guards, hopefully killing some with your own pet, drop charm. Put pet on him. If he remains at 25 per cent of his full 10k, he will be at 2500hp. This means you have done 7500hp damage to him with his own guards by inflicting 3-4k damage in his weakened charmed state.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just curious, as I have not yet checked what happens to a mobs hp when charm breaks or is manually removed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Open to comments.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sark.  </DIV>

[Sarkoris]

<P>Something just dawned on me, Warclaw isn't classed as epic is he. Just heroic else my tactic is doomed to failure. best you can do if epic is charm one of his henchmen.</P> <P> </P> <P>Sark. </P>

[Named]

<DIV>How it works ( I think ):</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You charm Warclaw. Warclaw has 10k normal hps, drops to 5k charmed. Charmed Warclaw takes 2500 damage and is now at 50%. You uncharm it and it returns to 10k total hps minus 2500 damage taken for 7500 ( 75% ) current hps.</DIV>

[legaleagle]

<P>I was playing around with the spell over the weekend and charmed mobs return to full hp when charm breaks.  </P> <P>Also, when you charm a mob and it breaks the first time, if you have tank pet up along side of it, the charmed mob almost aways veers off to fight your regular pet.  The second time it breaks, it usually goes to your tank pet.  The third time it breaks, it came right for me and pet couldn't get aggro at all.  I think it "remembers" the hate from the previous two times you charmed it, like mobs remember all the roots and/or fears we cast on them.  </P> <P>It sure was fun walking around SS with a Sentinel of Anuk pet.  Allowed me to take other Sentinels with regular old Spot tanking.  Learned my lesson though.  From now on, only no arrow, or single arrow mobs as pets.  When charm breaks and you have a Sentinel on pet and a Sentinal coming for you, nothing good can result.    </P> <DIV> </DIV>

[Divine Pow]

<P>A couple questions on this cool looking spell. I just got the adept 3 but haven't been able to use it yet.</P> <P>Does the level of the mob get adjusted to match your own level? Otherwise, I bet yellows have alot more resists?</P> <P>And what are some good areas to solo with this spell which have alot of undead?</P>

[Za]

<blockquote><hr>legaleagle97 wrote:<P>I was playing around with the spell over the weekend and charmed mobs return to full hp when charm breaks.  </P> <P>Also, when you charm a mob and it breaks the first time, if you have tank pet up along side of it, the charmed mob almost aways veers off to fight your regular pet.  The second time it breaks, it usually goes to your tank pet.  The third time it breaks, it came right for me and pet couldn't get aggro at all.  I think it "remembers" the hate from the previous two times you charmed it, like mobs remember all the roots and/or fears we cast on them.  </P> <P>It sure was fun walking around SS with a Sentinel of Anuk pet.  Allowed me to take other Sentinels with regular old Spot tanking.  Learned my lesson though.  From now on, only no arrow, or single arrow mobs as pets.  When charm breaks and you have a Sentinel on pet and a Sentinal coming for you, nothing good can result.    </P> <DIV> </DIV><hr></blockquote>hehe, did you try charming a down arrow same level mob?This is why I said it seemed broken. The down arrow mob seems to get boosted to the same level that the ^^^ mob gets lowered to, so there's no reason to charm anything better than even. You're better off finding a higher level triple down arrow mob that won't resist you as often, but fights just as good.

[Divine Pow]

<P>I was fighting with this in silent city nearentry -gotta say tht this spell kicks [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]. Even though it breaks alot even at adept 3, gotta love the dps.</P> <P>There are bugs with it though, where my pet window goes back and forth between charmed pet and my regular one. Also, my default pet comands don't work with the pet not in the window so I gotta keep resending it in, but anyways this spell is still great</P>

[gr8scott]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> legaleagle97 wrote:<BR> <P>I was playing around with the spell over the weekend and charmed mobs return to full hp when charm breaks. <BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>My experience was the charmed mob doesn't regen back to full but reverts back to original HP so damage on it may be quite low if it is a ^^^.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> legaleagle97 wrote:<BR> <P>Also, when you charm a mob and it breaks the first time, if you have tank pet up along side of it, the charmed mob almost aways veers off to fight your regular pet.  The second time it breaks, it usually goes to your tank pet.  The third time it breaks, it came right for me and pet couldn't get aggro at all.  I think it "remembers" the hate from the previous two times you charmed it, like mobs remember all the roots and/or fears we cast on them. <BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P> <P>I had this happen as well.  The pet seems to remember hate and is not please the 3rd time it breaks charm.</P> <P> </P> <P>Also, one reason not to charm a triple-down pet is because you don't want your real pet to kill it before you can recharm <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.</P> <P>A nice single-down seems perfect. </P> <P> </P> <P>GS</P> <DIV><BR></DIV>