Didnt want to have to post here but no one seems to look at the assassins forums [Archive]

El Chupacabr

10-06-2005, 10:51 PM

<P>Why would I want to get involved or even care about another nerf the necro's thread? That thread is chock full of disinformation about the summoner classes... if they want to continue building arguements on false foundations by all means go for it but don't expect necro's to come to the assassins defense when they break out that tired DPS tier arguement.</P> <P>Sure, I'll say the assassins seem a little light in the damage department right now but you'll never convince me that mine's too high.</P>

Soman

10-06-2005, 10:55 PM

Looking for a response............Hmmmmmmmmmm...... I got one........."AND I CARE HOW?"KD

Kimira

10-06-2005, 10:59 PM

<DIV>That thread isn't trying to get any class nerfed, that'd be stupid. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Think he just linked this because we've had threads like that since expansion release and not one response.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Kimirahi on <span class=date_text>10-06-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:00 PM</span>

XBr

10-06-2005, 11:03 PM

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> bboymike wrote:<BR> <DIV>Just trying to get a response dont be offended</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=40&message.id=8001" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=40&message.id=8001</A></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Personally, I think Assassinate hits for way to much, and it should be reduced by 20%. Please don't pollute this board with your class envy.</P> <P>[ I had a much less polite reply in mind,but Moorgard banned my [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] last time I used it:smileysurprised: ]</P>

bboymike

10-06-2005, 11:04 PM

let me clarity i wasnt tryin to have u come to our defense for our broken class, was just trying to post somewhere else to see if i could get SOE/DEV's attention and have them respond to us on our forums <p>Message Edited by bboymike on <span class=date_text>10-06-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:05 PM</span>

El Chupacabr

10-06-2005, 11:29 PM

They sure don't reply to ours, spell and abilities is generally where you want to post. Usually, cross posting doesn't get the kind of attention you're looking for... usually just a bunch of thread locks.

Anganos

10-06-2005, 11:29 PM

<P>Umm yeah i responded earlier, thank you very little. Yes i have a fledgling wana be assassin. Yes i do feel for them, as much as i do for my other chars (SK, Warlock, <cough> even my wana be druid). Since classes will be changing on the ever so often schedules, the way i see it is if you dont like the way your class is working atm, play your other char till something changes. At the moment I'm loving my Necro, but who knows Sony will [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] up this class with a nerf bat from hell. I just have to log on to my other chars. /shrugs I dunno i just live by the motto</P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#ff0000 size=3>"It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of saphoo that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion."</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT> </P>

Sonic X

10-07-2005, 03:47 AM

I like how people come up with these out of the world parses for necro damage, i agree assassins need a little bit of help but i hate how suddenly we are the target of being way too unbalanced when we finally get unique spells and a reason to have multiple pets. A bunch of those posts in that thread are [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] necros are tier1 omg omg and they have pet's. I hate to tell you but warlocks and wizards are up their still when it comes to shorter fights. People seem to forget that over 50% or more of our damage comes from pet's and they can be killed and must be managed to do so. Some of the people in that forum need to stop pointing fingers as i have an Assassin alt as well. <div></div>

dreadfa

10-07-2005, 10:57 AM

<P>hmm... ok so it's no longer wizard vs warlocks, it went to everyone vs wizards and warlock. now it isn't even that anymore, it's everyone vs mages.</P> <P>this nerfherding is getting out of hand, leave us mages the (most definitely would be deleted) alone and get your OWN classes FIXED!!!</P> <P>skrp, 52 warlock rodent of qeynos, proud member of Legacy, kithicor server.</P>

Scanline

10-07-2005, 01:13 PM

<span><blockquote><hr>bboymike wrote:<div></div> <div>Just trying to get a response from DEV/SOE please dont be offended!</div> <hr></blockquote>I can see what you're trying to accomplish here, but I really think dragging necros into this is not the right way to do it. We were tier 3 DPS with very little utility for a long time, and I think many necros don't want to see the nerf bat send us back there.</span><div></div>

schrammy

10-07-2005, 01:43 PM

<DIV>Can this filth please be removed here?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm sick and tired of those losers who constantly whine about us.</DIV> <DIV>"I saw a necro do this, Some necro out-dps'ed me, blablabla"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We have been playing a broken class for a year, we get fixed AND nerfed again during beta. After live, they mess up our xp gain WITHOUT EVEN REPLYING to our concerns about it. And yet still people are complaining about us.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Have we been complaining pre-revamp about TANKS soloing blue^^ nameds, while we only could get the lowest green (when lucky).</DIV>

Dasanhgul

10-07-2005, 01:50 PM

<P><U>Forum Rules of Conduct</U> :</P> <P><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=rules&message.id=1" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=rules&message.id=1</A></P> <P> </P> <P></P> <HR> <DIV>Furthermore, you may not:</DIV> <UL> <LI>Make multiple posts on the same subject for the purpose of getting attention paid to your issue.</LI></UL> <P></P> <HR> <P> </P> <P> </P>

Nainitsuj

10-07-2005, 07:04 PM

<P>The assassins can't be serious. Anyone here go all out since the CC? I know I have and I still don't compare to my assassin friend who's 4 levels higher than me.</P> <P> </P> <P>Why are we in danger of getting nerfed because some failures can't find decent gear?</P> <P> </P> <P>I still like the one guy's parsing of us. Right away you can see he took the longest battle of the fight to prove his point, instead of doing an average of all fights for the day (or group). When was the last time you parsed 600+ DPS per encounter? Better question, how many spells have you been able to cast per encounter? I know I have enough time to get my AoE lifetap off before half the encounter is destroyed.</P>

El Chupacabr

10-07-2005, 07:39 PM

<P>Sure, I've done over 600DPS (handily) against a single target. Is that the average? Absolutely not! Necro's can do that with an on the ball tank at around 35-40 seconds. Nainitsuj's point is correct, we can do it but not many fights hit the sweet spot for our DPS... and alot of tanks just aren't ready for those dumbfires to drop so we can't do it too often.</P> <P>Over the course of a night without counting my dumbfires I come in right after the sorcerers (average over all fights)... in individual fights I can outdamage sorcerers too, it's all about fighting all encounter types throughout a night for saying what's what. Long single target fight, that's what necro's have always been about, our role and reletive position hasn't changed in regards to that. Necro's pre CC were the kings of raid damage and they still are, just now we can hit our stride a little earlier in a fight.</P> <P>I think alot of what the scouts are seeing is the fights are so short, their time to get in position is crippling their dps in relation to the rest of the group. There may be problems with them but I don't know what their potential is since taking a couple fights and saying "See!? That teir 2 just outdamaged me!" is not going to guage the true potential of the class. Paper parses are the way to go imo (and anyone that knows me knows I'm a big advocate of using them to guage potential), there are too many variables in playstyle for the scouts to just hold up a parse and say "We're broken!".</P>

bboymike

10-07-2005, 10:32 PM

lol i didnt post her to try to get anyone nerfed, just figured SOE/DEV might see it and actually read our post lol! If any class needs to be nerfed its zerkers dps [Removed for Content], most assassins are just unhappy with the CS and the false promises of Tier 1 dps...

Tallika_Runwithbears

10-07-2005, 10:41 PM

your repeating yourself and its getting tiresome <div></div>

XBr

10-07-2005, 10:45 PM

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> bboymike wrote:<BR>lol i didnt post her to try to get anyone nerfed, just figured SOE/DEV might see it and actually read our post lol! If any class needs to be nerfed its zerkers dps [Removed for Content], most assassins are just unhappy with the CS and the false promises of Tier 1 dps... <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>You're reported, dude. This is a clear violation of the forum rules.

El Chupacabr

10-07-2005, 10:57 PM

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> XBrit wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> bboymike wrote:<BR>lol i didnt post her to try to get anyone nerfed, just figured SOE/DEV might see it and actually read our post lol! If any class needs to be nerfed its zerkers dps [Removed for Content], most assassins are just unhappy with the CS and the false promises of Tier 1 dps... <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>You're reported, dude. This is a clear violation of the forum rules. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Hehe, look who's talking <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.

XBr

10-07-2005, 11:10 PM

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> El Chupacabras wrote:<BR><BR><BR>Hehe, look who's talking <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>:smileysurprised:</DIV>

Urbanna

10-07-2005, 11:52 PM

<DIV>lol I couldn't help it...HAD to post in that thread. Just too many assumptions...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>How many of you read other class's forums to see how they REALLY do in-game? I think some other classes would definitely be baffled if they came in here and actually read some of our parses and our skills. Some classes are definitely not where they should be, but it's no excuse for trying to get other classes nerfed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>People just need to stick with THEIR class, the one they know well, and try to help. (and no, it's not <EM>your</EM> class if it's an alt you've played 2 weeks and are at lvl 25...no offense to new players)</DIV>

El Chupacabr

10-08-2005, 12:00 AM

It's kinda like evil spirits, Urb... necro's leave you alone until you invite them into your life by either posting on their board or mentioning them in a negative light <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.

El Chupacabr

10-08-2005, 03:43 AM

<div></div>And the hits just keep on coming in that thread. Edit: I'd point out that all necromancer damage is directly attributable to them as they're the only mage that gives no damage enhancing abilities to their groupmates (well, except for the int bump, but 50 int at 54 ain't a big bump to a second mages damage), hence a large directly attributable damage rating... but I don't think it'd help. <div></div><p>Message Edited by El Chupacabras on <span class=date_text>10-07-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:52 PM</span>

Sonic X

10-08-2005, 05:09 AM

<span><blockquote><hr>El Chupacabras wrote:<div></div>And the hits just keep on coming in that thread. Edit: I'd point out that all necromancer damage is directly attributable to them as they're the only mage that gives no damage enhancing abilities to their groupmates (well, except for the int bump, but 50 int at 54 ain't a big bump to a second mages damage), hence a large directly attributable damage rating... but I don't think it'd help. <div></div><p>Message Edited by El Chupacabras on <span class="date_text">10-07-2005</span> <span class="time_text">07:52 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Pffft i had to reply, i hate it when we finally get decent people gotta point the jealous finger everywhere. Hell i have an Assassin ALT who i would love to play if he did more damage. Woohoo let's just make baseless complaints about some other class.<span>:smileyvery-happy:</span></span><div></div>

Calib

10-08-2005, 06:15 PM

I have an assassin alt and wasnt partiularly having fun with him after the changes. although, I didnt play him that much. Assassinate was improved and I think thats a good thing. The fact that they took movement away while shooting the bow really was a downer in my opinion. The necro has to have the damage higher then before, because our pets are much more vulnerable and the tank pets dont damage as much anymore. Further, we transfer our life now, and share the pain with our pets while soloing. Its true, we can siphon life back, but we also sacrifice our health too. You also have to understand that we dont have a massive nuke hit thats quick, like the assassin who can hit assassinate and then shadow self and use yet another powerful stealth attack. We wear out enemy out over a period of time, while trying to juggle our health with our pets health. have you parsed the damage of the necro and assassin in group combat? If the battle is less then 30seconds theres no contest. <div></div>

Sonic X

10-08-2005, 10:45 PM

<span><blockquote><hr>Caliban wrote:I have an assassin alt and wasnt partiularly having fun with him after the changes. although, I didnt play him that much. Assassinate was improved and I think thats a good thing. The fact that they took movement away while shooting the bow really was a downer in my opinion. The necro has to have the damage higher then before, because our pets are much more vulnerable and the tank pets dont damage as much anymore. Further, we transfer our life now, and share the pain with our pets while soloing. Its true, we can siphon life back, but we also sacrifice our health too. You also have to understand that we dont have a massive nuke hit thats quick, like the assassin who can hit assassinate and then shadow self and use yet another powerful stealth attack. We wear out enemy out over a period of time, while trying to juggle our health with our pets health. have you parsed the damage of the necro and assassin in group combat? If the battle is less then 30seconds theres no contest. <div></div><hr></blockquote>Doesn't matter what you say, some people refuse to understand the concept of SUSTAINED vs. BURST. Reguardless of what the damned chart says.</span><div></div>

Calib

10-09-2005, 02:06 AM

3 things to consider about the Assassin too. #1 Blades buff line. a % chance that it deals DOT #2 Assassins mark line. see above. #3 Poisons. See above twice. so if these all hit, or dont hit, theres going to be a HUGE difference in damage output for that specific fight. <div></div>

Urbanna

10-09-2005, 06:01 AM

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> El Chupacabras wrote:<BR>It's kinda like evil spirits, Urb... necro's leave you alone until you invite them into your life by either posting on their board or mentioning them in a negative light <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I swear I won't post there anymore lol Someone since posted in there basically combining all of the abilities of conjs/necros and attributing them to necros. They are also saying that a lvl 49 necro was out DPSing everyone else at lvl 55. I'm not sure if you guys remember lvl 49, but I surely do lol We don't have lich yet, and have about half the personal DPS as we do at 50. Anyways, I don't think most others are jumping on the 'nerf necros' bandwagon.</P> <P>BTW I logged off in disgust today....died to an AE while FD'd lol</P>

Nainitsuj

10-09-2005, 09:01 PM

Heh, the stuff said in the assassin forum is unbelievable. Now they're upset with us because we came to defend ourselves. Jack as*es.

El Chupacabr

10-09-2005, 10:02 PM

Yeah, I think I'm just going to stay on the summoner boards from now on... anytime I argue a point I do a heck of alot of research about the class I'm about to go after, the posts I'm seeing have no true research just OMG THIS CLASS JUST OUTDAMAGED ME... DPS TIERS... WE SHOULD BE UBER IN EVER FIGHT (sorcerers and predators specifically). It's not like there were all that many changes to necro's in the revamp anyways (from a damage standpoint), doubled our damage on skinrot and lifetap, fixed our broken pets, replaced a DoT with another swarm pet and fixed our level 50 spell; that's where the majority of damage is coming from now. We have to keep that level of lifetap due to our horrid health costs, skinrot ticks at around 60 per tic so that's not some uber spell and lich does less damage than ice comet or devastation. Whatever though, I'm sure nothing we can say will disuage the chicken littles. <div></div>

NerroVI

10-09-2005, 10:24 PM

This post should never have been made over here, while most of the assassins know this, it isn't like we have actuall control over some of the rules etc, we initially and are still trying to point out the facts mainly about our self buff lines and our timers, which are the core issues to our DPS, this isnt about what your pets can do or the utility buffs YOU do get <rather they are liked or not is pointless you do get them> it is the facts that we were told we would loose utility to gain DPS, well that didn't happen, we lost alot of our ranged ability, we lost what utility we did have, and gained nada. Once again I am sure the the majority of assassins actually fighting for our class on our boards regret the post made here and hope you guys can see the ones who are actually trying to work with the DEVS and other classes to make the game better, more then you see the ones just screaming for "I should be the king of all DPS", after all in one way or another a change to one class usually impacts a change to another class, I just want them to get it right. <div></div>

Nainitsuj

10-09-2005, 10:45 PM

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> NerroVI wrote:<BR>This post should never have been made over here, while most of the assassins know this, it isn't like we have actuall control over some of the rules etc, we initially and are still trying to point out the facts mainly about our self buff lines and our timers, which are the core issues to our DPS, this isnt about what your pets can do or the utility buffs YOU do get it is the facts that we were told we would loose utility to gain DPS, well that didn't happen, we lost alot of our ranged ability, we lost what utility we did have, and gained nada.<BR><BR>Once again I am sure the the majority of assassins actually fighting for our class on our boards regret the post made here and hope you guys can see the ones who are actually trying to work with the DEVS and other classes to make the game better, more then you see the ones just screaming for "I should be the king of all DPS", after all in one way or another a change to one class usually impacts a change to another class, I just want them to get it right.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I'm just curious, what utility buffs are you talking about? My +50 to int spell is no different than your + what ever to Sta/Str/Agi buffs. It's Int. It does not benefit you. It benefits the other mage that's rarely picked up. Our buff is no different than the stances. We don't "stance", we cast. </P> <P> </P> <P>But yes, you're right. You should of never have came over here asking for help then start spreading lies about our class to try and get your class improved*. </P> <P> </P> <P>*Special side note. The dev's don't improve classes. They have a known history for nerfing everyone related to the level of the gimped class.</P>

El Chupacabr

10-10-2005, 12:29 AM

The trouble that many necro's and myself have with the arguements are just a matter of selective parsing. All the posts that say the summoners outdamage everyone all the time just ain't so. In short fights against a single target both sorcerers and rangers will probably outdamage me, at the end of a night with all different types of fights I generally parse out right below wizards (don't have a long night parse of me vs. rangers but they beat me out fairly often when using poisons). Assassins damage seems fairly low to me too but all the posts that state necro's are the gods of all encounters at all levels are just bunk and we can only go to so many posts to refute it. I certainly have never had a problem with a class working hard to get itself lined up with where it belongs but doing it on the backs of other classes are what get people all riled up. It only takes one mob turning away from the tank for a couple seconds to get us killed, that's the nature of the summoner classes now, we can pour on the damage since alot of our hate doesn't neccessarily attribute to us until those swarm pets die to ripost and then we're dead. The mechanics of the summoner classes are such that we can do alot of damage in a 30 second or longer fight with a ton of risk (and zero deagro abilities). Whatever though, I'm sure we'll keep hearing about how overpowered we are until Moor reasserts that we are where we're s'posed to be. I wish the assassins luck in getting their problems resolved as long as they keep in mind they won't outdamage us every fight, just like sorcerers and rangers can't do it every fight. <div></div>