Fear, FD, and other upgradable spells with questionable benefits...

[KBern]

<DIV>What I mean is there are spells that CAN be upgraded but should we actually upgrade them?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am about to ding 54 on my necro and I see we get the upgraded FD.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Is this worth making into an Ad3, or just getting the app2/app4 version?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I wonder the same with fear....does upgrading these actually make the spells work on higher mobs, or for a longer duration in regards to fear...resisted less maybe?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Has anyone tested this to know for sure.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My main issue is I have 5 rares to upgrade spells.  I have a few must have's marked out and some I will bypass until later.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Since FD is gotten at my next level, should I even worry about upgrading this spell, or just let it go at app2/app4?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks for the input.</DIV>

[nhdjoseywales]

<P>i dont think the fd spell comes in any flavor other than adept1/adept3/master1 and i havent seen any of them available so far on crushbone. none of my regular sages even have the recipe so i am beginning to doubt the spell made it live. if anyone actually has the spell could you please post that it does indeed exist.</P> <P>i havent upgraded fear yet (its coming soon, i just upgraded devour vitae for gods sake) but im pretty sure it would make the resists less and make it stick for full duration longer similar to the root upgrades</P>

[KBern]

<P>Well it should have a recipe in the sage books since it is not a dropped scroll only spell, so that is weird.</P> <P>When I ding tonight I can see if it is the Court of Coin and if so, the sages can make it, unless the recipe books are bugged.</P> <P>I just dont want to waste a rare on the spell if I will be getting no upgrade from doing so.</P>

[Tinantier]

i too have not seen a copy of the FD upgrade anywhere, leading me to wonder if it is in the game (adept 1s of all other spells to at least 56/57 are on ther brokers).  Makes little sense for not a single copy to appear at some time.   I honestly wouldnt worry too much about it - its pathetically poor recast time to me doesn't warrant any more than an adept 1, when i find it.  The current FD is working fine against level 60 mobs. For the fear, it is no different than the previous version.  I am beginning to wonder about these things as swarms of bats, a grey spell is working fine against the 50-60 mobs i am using it on.  Its just the same spells which can work against higher level mobs - so ask yourself, did you upgrade the previous version and was it worth it. Then onto the darkness line, I don't think that is even worth upgrading to adept 1 as I use it to proc lich and ofr little else (maybe the occasional pull with it) - by far the most disappointing spell line post CU (i am using app 4, no intention of bothering to spend money to upgrade such a poor spell). would be interesting to see spell differences when handlebars updates his list ( if he is still here post CU, not seen a post from him in a while ). <div></div>

[Nainitsuj]

I think it's in the game's database, but it's not dropped yet.  Has anyone seen any of the adept 1 versions for the new 40+ spells (Like necromantic symbol) or the snare?  I saw 1 copy of rotting packhounds adept 1 (78 gold, no way I'm paying that) and that's it.

[Traigus]

One of my friends has the 40s snare adept I.  I hate him. I have seen some of the sub 50's... I have an adept I lifetap from the 30s (got it in splitpaw). -T <div></div>

[Named]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Then onto the darkness line, I don't think that is even worth upgrading to adept 1 as I use it to proc lich and ofr little else (maybe the occasional pull with it) - by far the most disappointing spell line post CU (i am using app 4, no intention of bothering to spend money to upgrade such a poor spell).<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I have the snare adept 3ed and it snares for 91% ( I think there is a snare cap at 80% or so, just guessing though ). That is awesome for pulling, root soloing, whatever you're doing. Personally I don't think this should be your first spell to upgrade, but I do think it is a very important spell to adept 3.<BR>

[Tzen]

It's also possible that upgrading your snare gives it better resistence to breaking during combat, thus making fear kiting easier/possible. 

[nhdjoseywales]

<P>have seen adept 1s of packhounds,fright, and a few of the other new spells but some seem rarer than others . the necromantic symbol line i have not seen at all other than the app2 in the courts and i doubt their existence. </P> <P>the snare adept3 does seem to hold better than the lesser versions and snares better giving you more time to re-root whish is also better at adept3 (altho i've still had both fail trying to solo those stupid great sandstalkers)</P> <P>devour vitae doe 40 power per tick at adept 1 and 47 at adept3 so thats a questionable upgrade for some</P> <P> </P>

[schrammy]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> nhdjoseywales wrote:<BR> <P>pretty sure it would make the resists less and make it stick for <STRONG>full duration longer similar to the root upgrades</STRONG></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I cant find it at this moment (sorry) but i have read here on the boards that they admitted the roots to bee overpowered and they will get nerfed. <BR>

[Urbanna]

<span><blockquote><hr>nhdjoseywales wrote:<div></div> <p>i dont think the fd spell comes in any flavor other than adept1/adept3/master1 and i havent seen any of them available so far on crushbone. none of my regular sages even have the recipe so i am beginning to doubt the spell made it live. if anyone actually has the spell could you please post that it does indeed exist.</p> <p>i havent upgraded fear yet (its coming soon, i just upgraded devour vitae for gods sake) but im pretty sure it would make the resists less and make it stick for full duration longer similar to the root upgrades</p><hr></blockquote>I think the FD spell was taken out of the game when it went live....just not certain.....</span><div></div>

[KBern]

<DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Urbannaja wrote:<BR><SPAN><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> nhdjoseywales wrote:<BR> <P>i dont think the fd spell comes in any flavor other than adept1/adept3/master1 and i havent seen any of them available so far on crushbone. none of my regular sages even have the recipe so i am beginning to doubt the spell made it live. if anyone actually has the spell could you please post that it does indeed exist.</P> <P>i havent upgraded fear yet (its coming soon, i just upgraded devour vitae for gods sake) but im pretty sure it would make the resists less and make it stick for full duration longer similar to the root upgrades</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I think the FD spell was taken out of the game when it went live....just not certain.....<BR></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>I am beginning to think that also.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I dinged 54 last night (yay) and I went to check the court of coin and there was no Grisly Pallor for sale.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Deathly pallor still cons as white to me so maybe they made it like invis where it just levels with the caster. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Would make more sense that way.<BR></DIV>

[nhdjoseywales]

<DIV>i just wanted the new FD because it kills your pet. there have been several times in recent days where i died while FD because the mob was still attacking my pet nearby and caught me with ae barrage or assault as i lay fd with 35 hp</DIV>

[KBern]

<P>To the best of my knowledge, no FD should take away any buffs, including your pet.</P> <P>I hope that is not the case since I enjoy the changes of not having to rebuff, nor make a new pet if I need to FD at times.</P>

[Tinantier]

<span><blockquote><hr>KBern wrote: <div>I dinged 54 last night (yay) and I went to check the court of coin and there was no Grisly Pallor for sale.</div> <div> </div> <div>Deathly pallor still cons as white to me so maybe they made it like invis where it just levels with the caster. </div> <div> </div> <div>Would make more sense that way.</div><hr></blockquote> am pretty sure it was conning blue to me pre lu14 - but of course that may have changed if the 'simpler' spell con stuff went in (grey,white,red).</span><div></div>

[ume]

I will be EXTREMELY sad if they nerf my root spells.  <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[schrammy]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> KBern wrote:<BR> <P>To the best of my knowledge, no FD should take away any buffs, including your pet.</P> <P>I hope that is not the case since I enjoy the changes of not having to rebuff, nor make a new pet if I need to FD at times.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>That was pre-revamp. ATM if you FD all dots/buffs/pets stay active on the mobs as casted.</DIV> <DIV>You can't issue any commands to the pet tho <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[schrammy]

<P>please ignore my [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] post above.</P> <P>I misread your post sorry <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[nhdjoseywales]

the spell descriptions posted for the 54 FD say specifically it cancels summoned minions. but if the spell didnt make it live its a moot point. recasting a pet isnt an issue for me, in fact its preferable to dying to mob ae while your uncommandable pet fights on top of you. recasting a pet also beats waiting for the tank pet to regen all those hit points

[XBr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> schrammy wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> KBern wrote:<BR> <P>To the best of my knowledge, no FD should take away any buffs, including your pet.</P> <P>I hope that is not the case since I enjoy the changes of not having to rebuff, nor make a new pet if I need to FD at times.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>That was pre-revamp. ATM if you FD all dots/buffs/pets stay active on the mobs as casted.</DIV> <DIV>You can't issue any commands to the pet tho <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Canceling the pet from the maintained effects bar works fine, first thing I do after the FD itself.<BR>

[schrammy]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> XBrit wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Stuff<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Canceling the pet from the maintained effects bar works fine, first thing I do after the FD itself.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Thats a great idea. How come i didnt think of that? My int is higher then yours so i am smarter :p</P> <P> </P> <P>Thanks for the tip pall.<BR></P>