Beta spell resist

[Zaphi]

<DIV>Hello! I'm Lv50 necro that just came back during the 7-day trial and have subscribed after it expired since I am able to join a great raiding guild and the incoming expansion's combat revamp.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm always having fun spamming Siphon Life and Skinrot during raids since I'm able to land them unresisted often thanks to Grisly Mark's and Stench of the Grave's resist debuffs. I've been searching forums for nec's new spell changes from beta and saw pics in some posts that our DoTs' dps are increased but lost their resist debuffs. I would just like to know how often normal and raid mobs resist our spells in beta. I think I prefer our spells to be less resisted even if they're slightly weaker than buffed up ones that can't land very often on raid mobs.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thank you <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />~</DIV>

[Tracido]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><span><blockquote><hr>Zaphiel wrote: <div>Hello! I'm Lv50 necro that just came back during the 7-day trial and have subscribed after it expired since I am able to join a great raiding guild and the incoming expansion's combat revamp.</div> <div> </div> <div>I'm always having fun spamming Siphon Life and Skinrot during raids since I'm able to land them unresisted often thanks to Grisly Mark's and Stench of the Grave's resist debuffs. I've been searching forums for nec's new spell changes from beta and saw pics in some posts that our DoTs' dps are increased but lost their resist debuffs. I would just like to know how often normal and raid mobs resist our spells in beta. I think I prefer our spells to be less resisted even if they're slightly weaker than buffed up ones that can't land very often on raid mobs.</div> <div> </div> <div>Thank you <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />~</div><hr></blockquote>Sorry man, from everything I've been keeping up on our DPS is crap now (recent change), our wards gone, roots are junk, nothing we have debuffs period, less health and healing for all pets, pets hold hate less, and power regen is a joke unless you are level 50 with lich at master even then it will be resisted more often than ever, your 'fade' is gone, to top all this off all our pet bufs that count take two concentration slots EACH and do less, you are now a liability in a raid unless this crap is stopped before hitting live, we might as well be dropped as a class.  </span><span>Someone even posted, "your pet is a crutch, learn to play without it."</span><span>  There is alot more but I'll leave it at that. </span><p>Message Edited by Tracido on <span class=date_text>09-10-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:06 PM</span>

[Mephli]

<P>Well the person saying pets are a crutch is still in the eq1 mindset where the pet was really just a speed bump for mobs.  They added "some" dps but the necro WAS the damage dealer.  In eq 2 they are a viable part of our damage and utility.</P> <P>As far as us getting the getting the virtual shaft I very much agree, especially since we are one of the last classes to get "fixed".  When beta and test changes first came out I was very excited to see our power grow to where I believe it should be (DPS wise).  Now that the nerf rod has been thrust our way (yet again), and they seem to be trying to compensate our horrid utility with these new anguish spell crappers I'm becoming very frustrated......  I'd preferr pure DPS.</P>

[vorek]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tracido wrote:<BR> <SPAN><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zaphiel wrote:<BR> <DIV>Hello! I'm Lv50 necro that just came back during the 7-day trial and have subscribed after it expired since I am able to join a great raiding guild and the incoming expansion's combat revamp.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm always having fun spamming Siphon Life and Skinrot during raids since I'm able to land them unresisted often thanks to Grisly Mark's and Stench of the Grave's resist debuffs. I've been searching forums for nec's new spell changes from beta and saw pics in some posts that our DoTs' dps are increased but lost their resist debuffs. I would just like to know how often normal and raid mobs resist our spells in beta. I think I prefer our spells to be less resisted even if they're slightly weaker than buffed up ones that can't land very often on raid mobs.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thank you <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />~</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Sorry man, from everything I've been keeping up on our DPS is crap now (recent change), our wards gone, roots are junk, nothing we have debuffs period, less health and healing for all pets, pets hold hate less, and power regen is a joke unless you are level 50 with lich at master even then it will be resisted more often than ever, your 'fade' is gone, to top all this off all our pet bufs that count take two concentration slots EACH and do less, you are now a liability in a raid unless this crap is stopped before hitting live, we might as well be dropped as a class.  </SPAN><SPAN>Someone even posted, "your pet is a crutch, learn to play without it."</SPAN><SPAN>  There is alot more but I'll leave it at that. <BR></SPAN> <P>Message Edited by Tracido on <SPAN class=date_text>09-10-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>04:06 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Dude...I REALLY hope you have quit the game.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You are one of the biggest crybabies on this board.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Take nearly everything this person said and ignore it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Very little of this is true...most of it is "Chicken Little" complex.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Our DPS is actually MUCH higher on BETA than it is on live. (In a raid/group..we are almost at 4x higher.</DIV> <DIV>Roots haven't changed...they are still the same damage break roots.</DIV> <DIV>Read the post with the pictures and the Combat Changes/Producer's Letter. Debuff were JUST put back on the BETA server.</DIV> <DIV>We have the same health....it have changed less than 1%.</DIV> <DIV>We have the same healing for the pets.</DIV> <DIV>The fighter-type pets have MORE health and better taunts. They hold aggro almost 3x as well as before.</DIV> <DIV>Power regen is lower in combat and almost double outside of combat.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now....after correcting El Morono.....I will give you more upsides:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Scout-type pets are now DPS gods.</DIV> <DIV>Having a pet over App II now has more impact than just more HPs. It also affects the level at which they use their skills. (An Adept III fighter pet will use Adept III taunts...etc)</DIV> <DIV>Resists have been LOWERED on most mobs. The way resists are handled have also been changed. Combat spells are not either 100% resisted (with a 50% lowering of the cooldown timer if they are) OR apply for 100% damage. No more partial resists. (The same applies to roots and charms. If they are NOT resisted, they last for the full durations...assuming that you do not do damage to break it early. Perfect for crownd control.)</DIV> <DIV>Mitigation has also been changed. So you pets will hit EVEN harder because NPCs no longer have an mitigation applied to combat arts. (As far as we have been told....this only applies to combat arts and not auto-attack)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So...for the most part...all of the necro changes have been positive...NOT negative. We are MUCH more powerful and more useful now because the DPS is much higher and because our spells now stack properly....there is NO group that can match a group of necros. One warrior pet to tank, 2 warlocks and 3 assassins....+ 6 necros......it is like 2 groups for the split of one!!!!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>**And to the poster above....you want pure DPS...play an assassin.</DIV><p>Message Edited by vorek on <span class=date_text>09-11-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:12 AM</span>

[Mephli]

<DIV>Vorek, great post, and I hope every thing you say is true.  I don't play on test, so all the negative posts on the board are getting to me.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Lol, and I do have a assassin, he's just not as fun to me as my necro.  Thats why I'm concerned:smileywink:</DIV>

[Tracido]

<span><blockquote><hr>vorek wrote: <div>Dude...I REALLY hope you have a life outside this game, unlike me.</div> <div> </div> <div>I am one of the biggest snotty fanboi's on this board and I demanded we lose our fun pet forms, and why would we need wards or invis's with procs.</div> <div> </div> <div>Take nearly everything I say and he said and scrutinize it when changes go live.</div> <div> </div> <div>Very little of this is true...most of it is "I'm a fanboi with all adept 3's and master 1's at level 50 and it was too boring so I whined" complex.</div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div>Our DPS is actually MUCH higher on BETA than it is on live. (In a raid/group..we are almost at 4x higher.</div> <div>Roots haven't changed...they are still the same damage break roots.</div> <div>Read the post with the pictures and the Combat Changes/Producer's Letter. Debuff were JUST put back on the BETA server.</div> <div>We have the same health....it have changed less than 1%.</div> <div>We have the same healing for the pets.</div> <div>The fighter-type pets have MORE health and better taunts. They hold aggro almost 3x as well as before.</div> <div>Power regen is lower in combat and almost double outside of combat.</div> <div> </div> <div>Now....after correcting El Morono.....I will give you more upsides:</div> <div> </div> <div>The Scout-type pets are now DPS gods.</div> <div>Having a pet over App II now has more impact than just more HPs. It also affects the level at which they use their skills. (An Adept III fighter pet will use Adept III taunts...etc)</div> <div>Resists have been LOWERED on most mobs. The way resists are handled have also been changed. Combat spells are not either 100% resisted (with a 50% lowering of the cooldown timer if they are) OR apply for 100% damage. No more partial resists. (The same applies to roots and charms. If they are NOT resisted, they last for the full durations...assuming that you do not do damage to break it early. Perfect for crownd control.)</div> <div>Mitigation has also been changed. So you pets will hit EVEN harder because NPCs no longer have an mitigation applied to combat arts. (As far as we have been told....this only applies to combat arts and not auto-attack)</div> <div> </div> <div>So...for the most part...all of the necro changes have been positive...NOT negative. We are MUCH more powerful and more useful now because the DPS is much higher and because our spells now stack properly....there is NO group that can match a group of necros. One warrior pet to tank, 2 warlocks and 3 assassins....+ 6 necros......it is like 2 groups for the split of one!!!!!</div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div>**And to the poster above....you want pure DPS...play an assassin.</div><p>Message Edited by vorek on <span class="date_text">09-11-2005</span> <span class="time_text">09:12 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Fixed. Now if what you say is true, I must say that things may not be as bad as I had read elsewhere on these boards yet I voiced my opinion on them and won't put up with all your crap along with many others if it's all just for dopes like you.  I unlike you fanboi's NEVER whined about other classes being better and needing to be nerfed to make me happy "or me and my whole family will quit" in EMAILS to devs, I never b with an itched about anything that were and are still problems, like all the endless glitches that NEEDED to be fixed first, instead of focusing on making the game for elitists and almost nothing but groups.   All will be seen when changes happen and after this I look forward to SOME of these things (some I already knew about), but unlike a fanboi I DO NOT feel I have to lick the other fanboi's toes in fear of your stupid retorts and snob attitudes, and I will fight some of the things we are losing or even MAY be losing down to the wire, instead of just blind acceptance and arsekissing.</span><div></div>

[Nagazch]

<DIV>I agree with Tracido !!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P align=left><IMG src="http://www.iloverubberstamps.com/4_sun_western_misc/80_the_end_is_near.gif"></P> <P align=left>Fanbois ! ALL of you !!</P>

[Named]

<DIV>Necros are fine. Every class has their fair share of the sky is falling players.</DIV>

[Dastion]

<DIV>So now that debuffed resists effect spell damage...does our Sta/Wisdom drain hurt their resists much? I asked this once before in another post but, at the time, apparently resist debuffs weren't working so I was told it wasn't noticeable (go figure).  Perhaps combined with necromantic symbol our debuffing might not be as good, but decent with the bonus of debuffing all resists due to the wisdom loss.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Dastion84 on <span class=date_text>09-11-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:57 PM</span>

[vorek]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tracido wrote:<BR><SPAN><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> vorek wrote:<BR><BR> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>Dude...I REALLY hope you have a life outside this game, unlike me.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>I am one of the biggest snotty fanboi's on this board and I demanded we lose our fun pet forms, and why would we need wards or invis's with procs.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>Take nearly everything I say and he said and scrutinize it when changes go live.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>Very little of this is true...most of it is "I'm a fanboi with all adept 3's and master 1's at level 50 and it was too boring so I whined" complex.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Our DPS is actually MUCH higher on BETA than it is on live. (In a raid/group..we are almost at 4x higher.</DIV> <DIV>Roots haven't changed...they are still the same damage break roots.</DIV> <DIV>Read the post with the pictures and the Combat Changes/Producer's Letter. Debuff were JUST put back on the BETA server.</DIV> <DIV>We have the same health....it have changed less than 1%.</DIV> <DIV>We have the same healing for the pets.</DIV> <DIV>The fighter-type pets have MORE health and better taunts. They hold aggro almost 3x as well as before.</DIV> <DIV>Power regen is lower in combat and almost double outside of combat.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now....after correcting El Morono.....I will give you more upsides:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Scout-type pets are now DPS gods.</DIV> <DIV>Having a pet over App II now has more impact than just more HPs. It also affects the level at which they use their skills. (An Adept III fighter pet will use Adept III taunts...etc)</DIV> <DIV>Resists have been LOWERED on most mobs. The way resists are handled have also been changed. Combat spells are not either 100% resisted (with a 50% lowering of the cooldown timer if they are) OR apply for 100% damage. No more partial resists. (The same applies to roots and charms. If they are NOT resisted, they last for the full durations...assuming that you do not do damage to break it early. Perfect for crownd control.)</DIV> <DIV>Mitigation has also been changed. So you pets will hit EVEN harder because NPCs no longer have an mitigation applied to combat arts. (As far as we have been told....this only applies to combat arts and not auto-attack)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So...for the most part...all of the necro changes have been positive...NOT negative. We are MUCH more powerful and more useful now because the DPS is much higher and because our spells now stack properly....there is NO group that can match a group of necros. One warrior pet to tank, 2 warlocks and 3 assassins....+ 6 necros......it is like 2 groups for the split of one!!!!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>**And to the poster above....you want pure DPS...play an assassin.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by vorek on <SPAN class=date_text>09-11-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>09:12 AM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Fixed.<BR><BR>Now if what you say is true, I must say that things may not be as bad as I had read elsewhere on these boards yet I voiced my opinion on them and won't put up with all your crap along with many others if it's all just for dopes like you.  <BR><BR>I unlike you fanboi's NEVER whined about other classes being better and needing to be nerfed to make me happy "or me and my whole family will quit" in EMAILS to devs, I never b with an itched about anything that were and are still problems, like all the endless glitches that NEEDED to be fixed first, instead of focusing on making the game for elitists and almost nothing but groups.   All will be seen when changes happen and after this I look forward to SOME of these things (some I already knew about), but unlike a fanboi I DO NOT feel I have to lick the other fanboi's toes in fear of your stupid retorts and snob attitudes, and I will fight some of the things we are losing or even MAY be losing down to the wire, instead of just blind acceptance and arsekissing.<BR></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>You are really some kind of [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]. You post panic posts on SEVERAL boards that are nothing by crybaby whinings. You haven't voiced an opinion based on any FACT. In fact, after reviewing some of your other posts....you seem to do this a lot.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you see people who post facts as "fanbois" then you really are a little 12 year old troll lurking around and posting crap. I am NO fan of Sony Online. I AM a fan of EQ2. If you aren't a fan of EQ2..then PLEASE quit. No one would miss you, no matter what they say to your face. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Instead of trying to post ANY factual evidence of your own, you change the wording in the post and attack me personally. Try getting some FACTS before opening that little [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] mouth of yours. (Like"Endless" glitches.....rofl. Exagerration is the mark of a youth who needs attention!. "I will fight for some of the things we are losing"....lol. What we are losing is balance for what we are GAINING. Are you so stupid as to think that they will just add and not take away?)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>**Vorek now points to the Test Server Update Notes in that the DOGS ARE BACK. So all you "non-fanbois" who went chicken-little on us when they said the dogs from level 30 were going away can S T F U because they are BACK!</DIV>