Is Swarm of Bats worth getting?

[Suraklin]

<DIV>Is Swarm of Bats worth buying in Adept 3 if I found a Sage who can make it for me? If it's not that great I don't wanna waste an Opal for the spell.</DIV>

[soulrais]

<P>let me think on this ....</P> <P>um yes even at 50 i use this spell very often as to many others im sure  the fast cast time and decent dmg on it makes it a nice spell to upgrade thats for sure</P>

[Urbanna]

No...don't bother with adept 3...it's a very minimal upgrade from app4 (like 1%). If I could I would go back and get something else at adept 3. It's a great spell to use, just very little change with the upgrade (maybe wait till the revamp.....) <div></div>

[Sosum]

<DIV>I have APP4 and it works great for its purpose.. quick timer and average damage.... I usually use it before I send in a big strike spell.</DIV>

[Qrgauth]

<span><blockquote><hr>soulraiser wrote:<div></div> <p>let me think on this ....</p> <p>um yes even at 50 i use this spell very often as to many others im sure  the fast cast time and decent dmg on it makes it a nice spell to upgrade thats for sure</p><hr></blockquote> same here.  It's likely most cast spell, due to the short cast time and short recast.  I upgraded to Adept III at the first opportunity I had because I use it so much.</span><div></div>

[Sosum]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Qrgauthil wrote:<BR><SPAN><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> soulraiser wrote:<BR> <P>let me think on this ....</P> <P>um yes even at 50 i use this spell very often as to many others im sure  the fast cast time and decent dmg on it makes it a nice spell to upgrade thats for sure</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>same here.  It's likely most cast spell, due to the short cast time and short recast.  I upgraded to Adept III at the first opportunity I had because I use it so much.<BR></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>How much improvement did you get going to adpt3?<BR>

[Qrgauth]

<span><blockquote><hr>CADD wrote: How much improvement did you get going to adpt3? <div></div><hr></blockquote> I recall it being about a 10-15% overall improvement from Adept I, but I don't have the actual numbers handy, so I could be talking out my [Removed for Content].  It was fairly significant though.</span><div></div>

[Eirgo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Qrgauthil wrote:<BR><SPAN><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> CADD wrote:<BR><BR>How much improvement did you get going to adpt3?<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I recall it being about a 10-15% overall improvement from Adept I, but I don't have the actual numbers handy, so I could be talking out my [Removed for Content].  It was fairly significant though.<BR></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Here is a post from El Chupa from awhile back found here :</P> <P> <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=30&message.id=6919&query.id=158000#M6919" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=30&message.id=6919&query.id=158000#M6919</A></P> <P>This is what he said:</P> <P>1.  Rotting Thrall</P> <P>2.  Plague of Rats</P> <P>3.  Words of the Wicked</P> <P>4.  Swarm of Bats</P> <P><BR>Edit:  Saw a copy of swarm of bats adept 3 last night, does four more damage per tic at 50 then the app 4.  I retract recommendation #4.</P> <P> </P> <P>So, unless anything has changed, getting it upgraded is not worth the 1pp you have to spend on the opal/ruth.  Who knows how it will scale after the combat revamp though.</P> <P> </P>

[Sosum]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Eirgorn wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Qrgauthil wrote:<BR><SPAN><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> CADD wrote:<BR><BR>How much improvement did you get going to adpt3?<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I recall it being about a 10-15% overall improvement from Adept I, but I don't have the actual numbers handy, so I could be talking out my [Removed for Content].  It was fairly significant though.<BR></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Here is a post from El Chupa from awhile back found here :</P> <P> <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=30&message.id=6919&query.id=158000#M6919" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=30&message.id=6919&query.id=158000#M6919</A></P> <P>This is what he said:</P> <P>1.  Rotting Thrall</P> <P>2.  Plague of Rats</P> <P>3.  Words of the Wicked</P> <P>4.  Swarm of Bats</P> <P><BR>Edit:  Saw a copy of swarm of bats adept 3 last night, does four more damage per tic at 50 then the app 4.  I retract recommendation #4.</P> <P> </P> <P>So, unless anything has changed, getting it upgraded is not worth the 1pp you have to spend on the opal/ruth.  Who knows how it will scale after the combat revamp though.</P> <P> </P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>words and plague are on my list the RT is already adpt3.</P> <P> </P> <P>swarm of bats I will skip for sure now.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>Thank you<BR></P>

[Qrgauth]

I never buy opals/rubies/whatever bizarro metal so the upgrades are usually less than 10 gp plus time to dig up the rock. I agree, I wouldn't pay plat for any adept III, let alone swarm of bats. <div></div>

[El Chupacabr]

Here's what I said in the FAQ: <div>T4 (Level 30 to 39)  Tricky level range since you've got carryover into the current final tier.</div> <div>1.  Rotting Thrall (single most important spell we have)</div> <div>2.  Plague of Rats (huge damage spell, well worth the rare)</div> <div>3.  Words of the wicked (great pet buff, worth the upgrade)</div> <div>4.  Ghastly stench</div> <div>Special notes:  Many would recommend swarm of bats, I do not.  The upgrade from apprentice 4 to adept 3 is about 6% damage increase, on that spell the increase translates to about 25 more damage every 24 seconds, not worth the rare. The FAQ post is my current opinion, that old post was going off of conjecture... once I'd actually seen the adept 3 I changed my tune real fast. </div> <div></div>

[Uanelven]

I'm considering it purely to wipe the smugness of a conjurer mate of mine when he wipes my SoBs away with his Adept III version.  Although I guess that won't be an issue soon.  hehe <div></div>

[Eirgo]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> El Chupacabras wrote:<BR>Here's what I said in the FAQ:<BR><BR> <DIV>T4 (Level 30 to 39)  Tricky level range since you've got carryover into the current final tier.</DIV> <DIV>1.  Rotting Thrall (single most important spell we have)</DIV> <DIV>2.  Plague of Rats (huge damage spell, well worth the rare)</DIV> <DIV>3.  Words of the wicked (great pet buff, worth the upgrade)</DIV> <DIV>4.  Ghastly stench</DIV> <DIV>Special notes:  Many would recommend swarm of bats, I do not.  The upgrade from apprentice 4 to adept 3 is about 6% damage increase, on that spell the increase translates to about 25 more damage every 24 seconds, not worth the rare.<BR><BR>The FAQ post is my current opinion, that old post was going off of conjecture... once I'd actually seen the adept 3 I changed my tune real fast.<BR></DIV><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>In my copy of your old post, it includes the edit to take Swarm of Bats off the list.  Looking back I see my post wasnt as clear as I would have liked it to be.  Sorry about any confusion.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Eirgo]

<DIV>Ok, now I would DEFINATELY not recommend upgrading this spell.  Looking at the screenshots of the new combat revamp spells it looks like it isnt going to have spell levels (app, ad, m) but scale with you as you level like Word of Force and Magi Shielding.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Urbanna]

Bah...i'll be [Removed for Content] if i can't get a rare back then =P lol <div></div>

[slyfer]

Me too, I want my rough opal back

[Urbanna]

<span><blockquote><hr>slyfer wrote:<div></div>Me too, I want my rough opal back<hr></blockquote></span> I suppose I'll take an adept 3 grim thulian instead heh

[merdo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Eirgorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>Ok, now I would DEFINATELY not recommend upgrading this spell.  Looking at the screenshots of the new combat revamp spells it looks like it isnt going to have spell levels (app, ad, m) but scale with you as you level like Word of Force and Magi Shielding.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I looked at the screen shots also it says mastery at 225 and its yellow.</P> <P>This leads me to beleive that this specific spell was pasted from another person since some of the other spells for level 50 are white.</P> <P>This also leads me to beleive that the spell stats are still incorrect to a level 45+ player as it stands now the debuff component makes it worth adept 3 Imho</P>

[Urbanna]

<span><blockquote><hr>merdorf wrote: <blockquote> <hr> Eirgorn wrote: <div></div> <div>Ok, now I would DEFINATELY not recommend upgrading this spell.  Looking at the screenshots of the new combat revamp spells it looks like it isnt going to have spell levels (app, ad, m) but scale with you as you level like Word of Force and Magi Shielding.</div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <hr> </blockquote> <p>I looked at the screen shots also it says mastery at 225 and its yellow.</p> <p>This leads me to beleive that this specific spell was pasted from another person since some of the other spells for level 50 are white.</p> <p>This also leads me to beleive that the spell stats are still incorrect to a level 45+ player as it stands now the debuff component makes it worth adept 3 Imho</p> <div></div><hr></blockquote>You can't go off the colors and stats...on test those won't change with lvl like they do now...so if there's no spell lvl like all the others have, that's a good indication that it won't be upgradable, just like words of force is now.</span><div></div>