Level 50 Adept III advice needed

[See]

<DIV>So I am looking at my hotbar this morning and I noticed something.  Everything there is either an Adept III or Master I <STRONG>except</STRONG> for these two items:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Torrential Plague is an App4.  Now here is a wasted spell IMO that I never really use except to complete an HO.  Is it worth upgrading and would I find it more useful if I did?  I had an M1 on Locust Swarm and never really used it much either.  Am I missing something?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Grisly Stele is Adept I.  Am I going to get any substantial warding over its current 626 if I go to Ad3?</DIV>

[Handleba]

Not much on the ward and I upgraded T. Plague to Adept 3 just so I would have all adept 3's and I was hoping that it would be worth it after the spell revamp. <div></div>

[See]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Handlebars wrote:<BR>Not much on the ward and I upgraded T. Plague to Adept 3 just so I would have all adept 3's and I was hoping that it would be worth it after the spell revamp.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Thanks.  I've done the same on Masters.  Though many are simply not worth it right now, I hope that they will be in the future.  But if their value goes up so will their price, so I buy them now <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[El Chupacabr]

<DIV>Torrential plague is in my raid spell rotation at adept 1 (single target or grouped mobs).  Is it worth boosting to ad3?  Probably not.  The only time I use it is in raids with a pally tanking and going full out on damage... it's really not that horrible a spell, depending on your raid spell rotation.  If your guild doesn't keep you grouped with a pally, don't bother as you'll never need to use it.</DIV>

[Named]

<DIV>The Master ward is only ~ 670 hps. So I'm guessing adept III ward would be maybe 650 hps, aka not worth it. </DIV>

[Zave]

<DIV>I have torrential plague Adept 3, i created it only for completing HOs with it, because its our only spell for completing star type HOs</DIV> <DIV>When i get home i can post dmg of it at adept 3</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also a question</DIV> <DIV>I have Siphon Life, Skinrot , Stench of the Grave, Lich Adept 3s</DIV> <DIV>What other spells is needed to have upgrade?</DIV>

[Necronstreks]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zaveng wrote: <DIV>Also a question</DIV> <DIV>I have Siphon Life, Skinrot , Stench of the Grave, Lich Adept 3s</DIV> <DIV>What other spells is needed to have upgrade?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>If you don't have these T4 then they should be your priority:</P> <P><STRONG>Rotting Thrall, </STRONG><STRONG>Plague of Rats, </STRONG><STRONG>Words of the Wicked</STRONG></P> <P>As far as T5, those are pretty much the only good ones aside from <STRONG>Rending Frenzy</STRONG> (useful but not significant).  The rest give slight if any noticable improvement... <STRONG>Devour Health</STRONG> and <STRONG>Grisly Stele</STRONG> were decent upgrades for me from App1 but the Ad1 comparison is tricky for me.  I'm not really a good person to ask about the difference between Ad1 to Ad3 tho... didn't have many Ad1's since I always had the Ad3 sitting at ding.</P> <P>I have <U>every</U> single spell 1 to 50 at Ad3 or M1.  Hardly any of them were worth the effort (comparing App1 to Ad3).  Maybe 8 or 9 spells were really worth upgrading... the rest... Ad1 works fine 99.9%.</P>

[Zave]

<P>of course i have them all <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>i was asking abot T5 adept 3s</P>

[Garlin1]

<DIV>Here is what is good and what is not.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Skinrot:  Not sure what adept 3 is because I have master.  But adept 1 to master was well worth it for the damage.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Siphon Life:  Yup Yup Yup.  Adept 1 to adept 3 isn't the BIGGEST but adept 3 to master is amazing.  The MAX damage from adept 3 is the Min damage for master.  Get it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Grisly Mark: Hell ya, You need to have this spell up all the time.  The extra bit of debuffs and mana drain is always welcome.   This spell owns in PVP also.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Grisly Stele: Hahaha, this was the most worthless upgrade.  Mine is like 674 at adept 3, was like 650ish at adept 1.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Stench of the Grave: YES.  Adept 1 to adept 3 was decent. Adept 3 to Master was even better.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Death Coil: Pfft.  CRAP spell if you ask me.  The little it does debuff doesn't really make a difference at all.  The damage is horrible per upgrade, and the spell takes to long to cast.  The only thing it has going for it is a short recast timer in case it fails.  I will sometimes not even bother with this spell as you can do a lot better dps rotating Mark, Stench, Skinrot, siphon life.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Convulse: Nae, not worth it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Torrential Plague: I disagree with all who say this isn't worth it.  It raised the ave damage done PER mob by like 20-30 and made the DoT hit a little harder.  There are certain times when you will need to kill groups of mobs quicker.  It does decent damage.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Accursed Cloud: (Thanks for reminding me Named88!) Adept 3 atleast for this master if you can.  90 max damage at master with a decent heal recourse.  The nice thing about this spell is the duration is long and it has pretty much no recast.  So if ya got a lot of mobs.  Target the left side cast the spell, target the right side, cast the spell (It only hits 5 targets) and bam you got a lot of damage going on.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Devour Health:I say no.  I so rarely use this spell.  Lich adept 3 is more then enough with a few mana regen items.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Words of the Wicked: Master YES, Adept 3.. maybe.  Adept 3 does raise the % to proc a bit and raises the VS physical a bit.. The extra heals for the pet doesn't really matter.  The reason the master is worth it is because it gives I believe it was a 12% to proc and raises the proc damage by about 150ish.  Really worth it.  No upgrades raises the hate gained.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Rending Frenzy: Silly Silly spell... Uping this will only increase the damage it does when it counters by a small amount.  Might raise the % but not by a lot.  If it made the Damage per Second mod raise above 5% maybe.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Feign Death: YES and NO - If you are going to hardcore raise then ya.  As you progress (Expansions) and fight higher lvl bosses you will want to be able to FD and rez.  PROS: You can always FD if you are smart about WHEN to fd.  Your armor won't get busted. Higher lvl spell means higher lvl mobs can't see through fd.  CONS:  YAA SoE made revive points in instances (their fix to exploiters) which means our FD to save raids is moot except on contested mobs.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Fade: Yes if you have the money to burn.  Adept 1 so far has been enough for me to get by any mob pretty much except some scout mobs and EPIC encounters.  I'd only increase it to adept 3 if your looking to lower how much it slows you done *Disclaimer: I don't have adept 3 so not sure if it lowers more then the adept 1 5% speed reduction)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Swarm of Rats: Your not a necro unless you raise this =P THREE rats that do decent damage really adds up quick.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Root spell: (forgot the name and to lazy to look it up right now) Yes, half ... ok I lie more then half the necros I meet never use this.  Most don't understand that when this spell terminates (root is broken) it drops a dot with a decent duration and damage that is about the same as your Death Coil.  If you solo a lot I'd say go for it.  Its ok in groups also for the lil extra damage.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Terror: Saved my life a lot of times, sure.  I normally when fighting solo mobs just use my pet for DPS while I actually do the tanking and just go crazy.  I cast Terror to give me time to stun or drop my ward on myself.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Aspect of the Undead: OMG you get like 30-50 more hp and mana and like maybe a few hundred extra mitigation.. I'd say your safe with adept 1</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Teachings of the Dead: I don't know how well this scales.  From adept 1 to Master it was a fairly decent increase.  Sadly for any wondering master is still a 1% chance to proc which has never happened.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Rotting Thrall: Yep.  This is your best damage pet and tank pet.  DO IT!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Shadowy Assassin: Uh no?  I wasted money on adept 3 of this.  What did it do? Adept 1 had like a spear and dagger (looked awesome) adept 3 had two daggers... damage? Just about the same.   The pet is supposed to have a stifle attack just not sure if it sticks.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Grim Terror: If anything only upgrade this to master for the look.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Garlin1 on <span class=date_text>06-01-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:05 PM</span>

[Garlin1]

<DIV>Stupid double posts =P</DIV><p>Message Edited by Garlin1 on <span class=date_text>06-01-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:24 PM</span>

[Named]

<P>Nice post Giga.</P> <P>Just wanted to add Accursed Cloud Master 1.</P> <P>It does 90 ae damage every 4 seconds and heals you for 62 hps every 4 seconds.</P> <P>Adept 1 does 67 damage every 4 seconds and heals for 49 every 4 seconds.</P> <P> </P> <P>The heal isnt big but the 23 damage increase is pretty significant. Especially for being AE. On events like the zek waves  the ae does 90 x5 for 450 dmg every 4 seconds. That is over 100 dps for 107 power. Very usefull spell imo <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.</P> <P> </P>

[Garlin1]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Named88 wrote:<BR> <P>Nice post Giga.</P> <P>Just wanted to add Accursed Cloud Master 1.</P> <P>It does 90 ae damage every 4 seconds and heals you for 62 hps every 4 seconds.</P> <P>Adept 1 does 67 damage every 4 seconds and heals for 49 every 4 seconds.</P> <P> </P> <P>The heal isnt big but the 23 damage increase is pretty significant. Especially for being AE. On events like the zek waves  the ae does 90 x5 for 450 dmg every 4 seconds. That is over 100 dps for 107 power. Very usefull spell imo <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.</P> <P> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Thanks!  Bah I knew I forgot a spell.  Ya I have accursed cloud at master also.  Its a good upgrade since the DoTs are a awesome duration.<BR></DIV>

[Eirgo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Garlin1 wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>SNIP (good stuff)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Swarm of Rats: Your not a necro unless you raise this =P THREE rats that do decent damage really adds up quick.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>SNIP (more good stuff)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Message Edited by Garlin1 on <SPAN class=date_text>06-01-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:05 PM</SPAN><BR></DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>There is a Master 1 Swarm of rats for sale on my server atm, and when inspected it showed that it summons FOUR rats!  Can anyone confirm this?  Also, what do you think is a fair price for it?  He was asking 8p which seemed too high, but I should be able to haggle.</P> <P>Thanks,</P> <P>Eirgorn<BR></P>

[Necronstreks]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Eirgorn wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Garlin1 wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>SNIP (good stuff)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Swarm of Rats: Your not a necro unless you raise this =P THREE rats that do decent damage really adds up quick.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>SNIP (more good stuff)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Message Edited by Garlin1 on <SPAN class=date_text>06-01-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:05 PM</SPAN><BR></DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>There is a Master 1 Swarm of rats for sale on my server atm, and when inspected it showed that it summons FOUR rats!  Can anyone confirm this?  Also, what do you think is a fair price for it?  He was asking 8p which seemed too high, but I should be able to haggle.</P> <P>Thanks,</P> <P>Eirgorn<BR></P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>You get 4 rats with M1.  I have it, and use it frequently.... Best 1.75pp I've ever spent.

[Selantyr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Necronstreksis wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Eirgorn wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Garlin1 wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>SNIP (good stuff)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Swarm of Rats: Your not a necro unless you raise this =P THREE rats that do decent damage really adds up quick.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>SNIP (more good stuff)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Message Edited by Garlin1 on <SPAN class=date_text>06-01-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:05 PM</SPAN><BR></DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>There is a Master 1 Swarm of rats for sale on my server atm, and when inspected it showed that it summons FOUR rats!  Can anyone confirm this?  Also, what do you think is a fair price for it?  He was asking 8p which seemed too high, but I should be able to haggle.</P> <P>Thanks,</P> <P>Eirgorn<BR></P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>You get 4 rats with M1.  I have it, and use it frequently.... Best 1.75pp I've ever spent. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Are we talking Swarm of Rats or Plague of Rats?  Thanks.<BR></P>

[Handleba]

<div></div>I just bough the grim terror master hoping that it is the top damage pet after the rebalance.  And since Moor has stated that mages will be higher than scouts, one can only assume that our warlock pet will have the top damage output.  Also, she is really HOT.  Edit: Also, this pet will be viable for the entire next expansion all the way to 60, so that's good. <div></div><p>Message Edited by Handlebars on <span class=date_text>06-02-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:02 PM</span>

[Necronstreks]

<P>Plague of Rats summons 4.</P> <P>Swarm of Rats summons 4.</P> <P>They both do.... Swarm caps at like 35-36ish at master I... so rats summoned would be grey at 42-43 I'd imagine.</P>

[Eirgo]

<P>Yeah my mistake earlier, its actually the lvl 37 plague of rats that is for sale atm on my server for 8pp.  Sorry for any confusion and thanks for the confirmation on the 4 rats at master 1.</P> <P>Eirgorn</P>

[Necronstreks]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Handlebars wrote:<BR> I just bough the grim terror master hoping that it is the top damage pet after the rebalance.  And since Moor has stated that mages will be higher than scouts, one can only assume that our warlock pet will have the top damage output.  Also, she is really HOT.  <BR><BR>Edit: Also, this pet will be viable for the entire next expansion all the way to 60, so that's good.<BR> <P>Message Edited by Handlebars on <SPAN class=date_text>06-02-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>01:02 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Gratz Handlebars... That's Flauros, you, and me that have it now.  Hopefully someday it'll be worth it.  I ended up buying the Shadowy Assassin for 10pp.. lol... Talk about worthless.</DIV>

[MrGrimm9]

<DIV>I pretty much agree with gigas post, but I would also say get the warlock pet adept III or Master if you can.  It definately isn't worth it right now, but since it sucks you might be able to find someone who will sell the master for cheap.  Hopefully when they revamp pets damage it will be worth it.</DIV>

[xxArcane]

<DIV>I have never seen a point in upgrading to adept3 on anything except the Rotting thrall pet. But since I heard about the spell revamp and how spell level will play a much larger part in spell ability then I have started upgrading everything to adept3. You think Rubys are expensive now, wait untill the spell changes go in when an adept3 really means something.</DIV>

[Named]

<DIV>Actually, they've fixed MANY spells. I would upgrade all your main nukes, pet buffs, and dots like swarm of bats and stench of the grave to adept 3. They help a ton.</DIV>