Level 40 "Specialized Training" Which to choose?

[Zimike]

<DIV>Just hit 40 and rather excited,but I do not want to make a mistake in choosing the wrong Spell. Here is a list of the spells:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff6600>Zarvonn's Vitae Gorge</FONT><FONT color=#ff0000>(</FONT><FONT color=#ffff00>Upgrade of Breath of the Unearthed</FONT><FONT color=#ff3300>)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff6600>Marnek's Excuciating Bindings</FONT><FONT color=#ff3300>(</FONT><FONT color=#ffff00>Upgrade of Chains of Torment</FONT><FONT color=#ff3300>)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff6600>Tsealith's Blackened Heart</FONT><FONT color=#ff3300>(</FONT><FONT color=#ffff00>Upgrade of Dark Heart</FONT><FONT color=#ff3300>)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff6600>Ravus' Clinging Stench</FONT><FONT color=#ff3300>(</FONT><FONT color=#ffff00>Upgrade of Ghastly Stench</FONT><FONT color=#ff3300>)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff3300></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>I was thinking of getting Ravus' Clinging Stench,but if its not stable with Ghastly Stench then I do not know if I want to choose that. Please let me know what you level 40+ Necros think? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[lurkingshado]

<DIV>I'm not lvl 40 but here's my thoughts about it just from descriptions:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Marnek's Excruciating Bindings sounds useless.  When the root breaks, the dot effect also ends....and root breaks when the mob gets touched.  So, unless you are trying to solo multiple mobs (which probably isnt a good idea anyway) and using pet to tank one and rooting the other, this spell will be useless.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zarvonn's Vitae Gorge - as far as I can tell Breath of the Unearthed is an AE DD spell, not a DoT like the spell descrip says.  Seems like it may be useful, but we also get a single target DD spell, so I don't know how power effective this spell will be.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Tsaelith's Blackened Heart - if this is a multiple charge heart, then it sounds really useful for groups</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ravus' Clinging Stench - sounds useful too, but do we get an upgrade of ghastly stench in the 40s?</DIV>

[Zimike]

<DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>(</FONT><FONT color=#ffff00>Breath of the Unearthed</FONT><FONT color=#ff3300>) <-- Get at level 30 & Upgraded at level 44 --><FONT color=#ff0000>(</FONT><FONT color=#ffff00>Breath of the Unearthed</FONT><FONT color=#ff3300>)</FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff3300>(</FONT><FONT color=#ffff00>Chains of Torment</FONT><FONT color=#ff3300>) <-- Get at level 33 & Has no Upgrade --><FONT color=#ff0000>(</FONT><FONT color=#ffff00>None</FONT><FONT color=#ff3300>)</FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff3300>(</FONT><FONT color=#ffff00>Dark Heart</FONT><FONT color=#ff3300>) <-- Get at level 33 & Upgraded at level 47 --><FONT color=#ff0000>(</FONT><FONT color=#ffff00>Sacrifical Heart</FONT><FONT color=#ff3300>)</FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff3300>(</FONT><FONT color=#ffff00>Ghastly Stench</FONT><FONT color=#ff3300>) <-- Get at level 35 & Upgraded at 49.6  --><FONT color=#ff0000>(</FONT><FONT color=#ffff00>Stench of the Grave</FONT><FONT color=#ff3300>)</FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff3300></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff3300></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff3300></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>Basicly by looking at this Chains of Torment seems to be the best option logicly,but I hate the chains spells. They have been rather useless. Now <FONT color=#ff6600>Ravus' Clinging Stench</FONT> seems to be the best I am guessing. I am not going to pick until I get everyones idea on this <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV></DIV><p>Message Edited by Zimike on <span class=date_text>02-08-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:27 AM</span>

[slyfer]

<DIV>I am 35 right and very interested in what everyone has been choosing for this one.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My first instinct I think that I would choose the Stench upgrade.  But the Dark Heart is very interesting.  If this give a good amount of power it might be worth it, or if you can give to the whole group with one cast.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If anyone has chosen the Dark Heart option I would like to know more details on this one.</DIV>

[lurkingshado]

<DIV>There's an upgrade to Chains called Eternal Bindings lvl 47 spell.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The lvl 44 upgrade to Breach of Unearthed is called Accursed  Cloud.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have seen adept 1 versions of Stench of the Grave and Eternal Bindings, but not for Accursed Cloud or Sacifical Heart, so that might be worth taking into account.</DIV>

[Kry]

Ravus' Clinging Stench is currently broken. It is also noted in the list of current necro spell issues post but I took this spell before I knew about the problem. I'm not sure it does much more damage than the adept 1 ghastly stench either.The spell is bugged in that it only lasts a single tick.Had I known this I probably would have chosen Tealiths Blackened Heart I suppose but I dont really care for any of the level 40 options :/

[Merciful_Shadow]

<DIV>I took Zarvonn's Vitae Gorge at 40, and though it is not the remarkable upgrade I was hoping it would be, it's still a step up from Breath of the Unearthed and I have no regrests.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Breath of the Unearthed</STRONG></DIV> <DIV>Painfully slow cast time</DIV> <DIV>Resisted ALOT</DIV> <DIV>3 "heals" of 30hp for a total of 90hp</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Zarvonn's Vitae Gorge</STRONG></DIV> <DIV>Faster cast time</DIV> <DIV>Far less resists</DIV> <DIV>A 1-shot "heal" of 99hp</DIV>

[Zimike]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Merciful_Shadow wrote:<BR> <DIV>I took Zarvonn's Vitae Gorge at 40, and though it is not the remarkable upgrade I was hoping it would be, it's still a step up from Breath of the Unearthed and I have no regrests.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Breath of the Unearthed</STRONG></DIV> <DIV>Painfully slow cast time</DIV> <DIV>Resisted ALOT</DIV> <DIV>3 "heals" of 30hp for a total of 90hp</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Zarvonn's Vitae Gorge</STRONG></DIV> <DIV>Faster cast time</DIV> <DIV>Far less resists</DIV> <DIV>A 1-shot "heal" of 99hp</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>About how much time is the recast on that one? <BR>

[Merciful_Shadow]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zimike wrote:<BR><BR>About how much time is the recast on that one? <BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>2 seconds<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Zimike]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Merciful_Shadow wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zimike wrote:<BR><BR>About how much time is the recast on that one? <BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>2 seconds<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Well I may go with that or the Dark Heart upgrade... Just so hard to decide.... Argh lol

[Zimike]

<DIV>Ok, Now after this patch the level 40 Spec Training had broken spells. Did they fix these such as Ravus' Clinging Stench?</DIV>

[Jakand]

<blockquote><hr>Zimike wrote:<DIV>Just hit 40 and rather excited,but I do not want to make a mistake in choosing the wrong Spell. Here is a list of the spells:</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV><FONT color=#ff6600>Zarvonn's Vitae Gorge</FONT><FONT color=#ff0000>(</FONT><FONT color=#ffff00>Upgrade of Breath of the Unearthed</FONT><FONT color=#ff3300>)</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT color=#ff6600>Marnek's Excuciating Bindings</FONT><FONT color=#ff3300>(</FONT><FONT color=#ffff00>Upgrade of Chains of Torment</FONT><FONT color=#ff3300>)</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT color=#ff6600>Tsealith's Blackened Heart</FONT><FONT color=#ff3300>(</FONT><FONT color=#ffff00>Upgrade of Dark Heart</FONT><FONT color=#ff3300>)</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT color=#ff6600>Ravus' Clinging Stench</FONT><FONT color=#ff3300>(</FONT><FONT color=#ffff00>Upgrade of Ghastly Stench</FONT><FONT color=#ff3300>)</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT color=#ff3300></FONT> </DIV><DIV>I was thinking of getting Ravus' Clinging Stench,but if its not stable with Ghastly Stench then I do not know if I want to choose that. Please let me know what you level 40+ Necros think? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><hr></blockquote>I chose Zarvonn's and totally regretted it. Mine only does a one shot heal of 50hp where as my Adept I BoE did 56hp over multiple ticks (Tested last night to make sure this was still the case). I am going to respec and choose dark heart upgrade as I found the hearts far more useful at higher levels then I initally assumed heh.<p>Message Edited by Jakanden on <span class=date_text>02-17-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:17 PM</span>

[El Chupacabr]

<DIV>Same here, Jak.</DIV>

[slyfer]

<DIV>Jak did you /respec yet?  </DIV> <DIV>Did you pick the upgrade to the Dark heart?</DIV> <DIV>If so could you give some information on it?</DIV>

[Daelim]

<DIV>Originally I chose the upgrade to BoE also.  I was less then impressed with it so when I respeced I took the gastly stench upgrade instead.  Turns out they are both broken... lol  Once they fix the spells so the DoT portion actually works I think either of them will be a worthy choice.  I didn't even consider the chains upgrade because that whole line has been relatively worthless up to this point and the dark heart upgrade seems like it could be useful but even at lvl 40 I don't use them all that often.  </DIV>

[Methesa]

<DIV>The Vitae gorge or clinging stench upgrade is the best option of those - new root @ 47, You get dark heart upgrade at 48.  The single target DOT does decent damage (ticking between 120-150 generally).  Vitae gorge does moderate(60-80 if im recalling corectly) AE DOT with lifetap.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Honestly I forget which I picked the last time though.  I think Clinging.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Jakand]

<blockquote><hr>slyfer wrote:<DIV>Jak did you /respec yet? </DIV><DIV>Did you pick the upgrade to the Dark heart?</DIV><DIV>If so could you give some information on it?</DIV><hr></blockquote>Aye I respeced and do not regret it. Onyx Heartstone has been a lifesaver in the 50 Epic zones this weekend heh. Even though the description is messed up (See <a href="http://www.netphestnva.com/EQ2/heart.jpg" target=_blank>HERE</a>), it just plain rocks for raids. It heals for alot more than the app III sacrifical heart (The 47 spell) and has the added benefits of cures noxious impairments (havnt tested) and adds a temporary health buff (Confirmed) so I am very happy. I dont know how much Sac Heart Adept I heals for since I cannot find the adept, but one of my friends who has it says he prefers the Onyx Heartstone to it.<p>Message Edited by Jakanden on <span class=date_text>02-21-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:05 PM</span>

[slyfer]

<DIV>I think that I am going to choose the Heart upgrade by the description you stated.  Some some healers don't even know how to use them and when they do they think it is the greatest thing.  They just keep asking for more.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also I think in grouping and raids this will be more important.  What is a couple more ticks of a dot gonig to do if the power is gone from the healer and the tank is low on life.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also I'm thinking not many will choose this.  It will be something different than many other necro's.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm 39 now and moving toward 40.  I will try and post some information when I choose.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Zedek]

Every healer I've been with absolutely LOVES the onyx heartstone. They are constantly demanding one. I had the vitae gorge before the respec and I'm very happy with my respec.Hands down, the onyx heartstone is the way to go at 40.

[Chandigar]

<DIV>I don't have the heartstone yet, but was just wondering... during the course of an evening do you find that this is one of these items where you have to summon a new one for everyone after every fight? Assuming that the healer etc uses it every fight. Seems like a PITA if you have 2 healers and some punk dps melee demanding heartstones after every encounter.</DIV>

[lurkingshado]

<DIV>I thought the heartstone had 3 charges on it.  Is that picture correct showing only 1 charge?</DIV>

[El Chupacabr]

<DIV>I took the heartstone as well, it is very nice... handy and brings us a little more in line with power transfer.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Chandigar, the heartstone has the same recast as the splinters so one every 30 seconds.  I generally summon one every ten minutes, maybe a little more depending on how well the group is doing.  I don't summon these things every fight... if you need that many heartstones, you need to buy some water.  Fortunately, my groups are getting more and more regular so I don't see this happen very often though I have seen it many times, especially with guardians and priests (guardians have to burn power like made once a necro gets in group and priests just cus they get into the habit of summoning water).  Of course, those are the classes that generally need them anyways (SK's are horrible about power too, though they know that and always seem to have water)...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have been in groups where my splinter was the only thing regen'ing the priest... never again =).</DIV>

[El Chupacabr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> lurkingshadows wrote:<BR> <DIV>I thought the heartstone had 3 charges on it.  Is that picture correct showing only 1 charge?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Only one charge.

[slyfer]

<DIV>Does the amount of power regen depend on lvl or not?</DIV> <DIV>So if you are lvl 40 does it regen the same amount if you were lvl 50 say 200. ?</DIV> <DIV>Or do you get an increase in the amount it regens each lvl?</DIV>

[Named]

<DIV>Level 40 Onyx Heartstone ( casted at level 40 ):</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2.0s cast time</DIV> <DIV>60s reuse</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-Increase AC of target vs poison damage by 242.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-Increase power of Caster by 90.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-Increase power of caster by 18 every 3 seconds.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-Increase AC of target vs disease damage by 242.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Note: seems to last ~12 seconds seconds</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Total power regen: 144 - 162.</DIV>

[Jakand]

<blockquote><hr>Named88 wrote:<DIV>Level 40 Onyx Heartstone ( casted at level 40 ):</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>2.0s cast time</DIV><DIV>60s reuse</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>-Increase AC of target vs poison damage by 242.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>-Increase power of Caster by 90.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>-Increase power of caster by 18 every 3 seconds.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>-Increase AC of target vs disease damage by 242.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Note: seems to last ~12 seconds seconds</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Total power regen: 144 - 162.</DIV><hr></blockquote>Ohhhh Ill have to re-examine mine tonight to see if the decription is now correct =)

[Named]

<DIV>Those stats are from examining the casted heart. If you link the heart, you still get the bugged stats.</DIV>

[xAlar]

<DIV>Not a Necromancer but interested in this discussion.  Do the Heartstones regen power in combat, or only out of combat?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Named]

<DIV>Whenever you use the heart, they regen power. In combat or out of it.</DIV>

[xAlar]

<p>Message Edited by xAlaric on <span class=date_text>09-07-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:57 PM</span>

[Named]

<DIV>- Depending on your group, you can use hearts frequently (every couple pulls) if cleric mana is a problem. Normally my groups use them in an "oh [FAAR-NERFED!]" situation where you get an add, or tanking a [Removed for Content] named and the healers need that extra mana.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-They are lore, one at a time. Also 30 second recast to summon the hearts.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-Can be created in combat, again good for named fights.. healers can use these as much as possible and it can add up to a ton extra healing mana.</DIV>

[lurkingshado]

<DIV> <HR> </DIV> <DIV> <LI>Cast a heart, give to healer, and he holds on to it until he needs power, then uses heart?  </FONT>You then cast another heart onto him, and repeat?</FONT> <LI>Can you cast several hearts on the same target or is it one at a time?</FONT> <LI>Finally, can they be created in combat or do you have to create them out of combat?</LI></DIV> <P> <HR> </P> <P>1) What you do to use this spell is target your group member that you want to give the heart too and cast.  This summons the heart into their inventory and they must equip it to use.  This is a bit of a pain in the [FAAR-NERFED!] and takes effort to do, but its definitely worth it.  For regular xping however, I find that players are too lazy to use the hearts.  And if they do, they don't bother making a macro to say they used it.</P> <P> </P>

[Daryth_Shadowspawn]

Even though they are lore, you can still cast other "hearts" and have one of each. Combine with Manastone, and you have some serious mana regen.

[Named]

<DIV>Heart casted at lvl 41:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>- Increase noxious resist by 257</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>- increse power of caster by 93</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>- increase power of caster by 19 every 3 seconds</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>total mana regened: 150 - 169</DIV>

[Kry]

When I respeced I chose the heartstone. I'm glad I did. The healers love it. Tanks and other classes often ask me for it as well during long fights.

[Daryth_Shadowspawn]

I got the onyx heartstone yesterday. Its great. I give a heartstone, and a dark heart to the healers while on the way to challenging encounters. They still have to wait 60 seconds to use each thought. Apparently while they are different items they cast the same effect (Dark Heart) The interesting question is will onyxheart use the same effect as the sacrifical heart.