T7 Conjuror pets and class hats.

[RedRockCandy!]

<div></div>Now that the NDA has been lifted does anyone got some screens of the new pets Conjuror's get in T7? Are they impressive or just more rehashed crap? Also anyone got some screens of the Conjuror proffesion hat?Come on lets see some screens.<div></div>

[Banditman]

Our "Earth Pet" has miraculously turned into a red lizard.  NOT COOL.  :/<div></div>

[RedRockCandy!]

<div></div>So is the red lizard  the Apprentice IV? Adept? Master?Also can I safely assume we don't get a new air pet?<div></div>

[Janl]

No.  There is no new Aery pet.  Xalmat has posted a list of the new spells for both Necro's and Conjurors at the <a href="http://eq2.eqsummoners.com" target="_blank">Summoner's Tower</a>.  This is his list.<span class="postbody"><u>Necromancer</u>61 - Displace Life61 - Eternal Chains61 - Ruinous Heart62 - Grim Heretic63 - Awaken Grave63 - Favor of the Infernal64 - Abate Life64 - Torrential Pestilence65 - Blighted Horde65 - Undead Tide66 - Dread66 - Undying Dreadnought67 - Howl of the Damned67 - Loathsome Mark68 - Rending Fervor68 - Teachings of the Underworld69 - Devour Essence70 - Arch Lich70 - Grisly Bulwark70 - Necromantic Brand70 - Necrotic Reformation<u>Conjuror</u>61 - Expiation61 - Sandpool61 - Scintilla of Essence62 - Igneous Savant62 - Intervention63 - Escutcheon63 - Pyromancy64 - Deluge64 - Pyreshield65 - Ember Seed65 - Planar Shift66 - Aqueous Horde66 - Tellurian Champion67 - Exasperate67 - Shattered Terrain68 - Geotic Seal68 - Vehement Gem69 - Blazing Vigor70 - Blazing Avatar70 - Conjuror's Brand70 - Restore Servant70 - Temporal HavenThe two new spells are Planar Shift (uber 1 minute buff for the pets, 15 min recast) and Undead Tide (Wake the Dead, EQ2 style).</span><div></div>

[RedRockCandy!]

<div></div>Is Planar Shift similar to the Ancient Teaching scrolls?<div></div>

[AbsentmindedMage]

Any pictures of this "red lizard"?<div></div>

[Gaylon]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>RedRockCandy! wrote:<div></div>So is the red lizard  the Apprentice IV? Adept? Master?Also can I safely assume we don't get a new air pet?<div></div><hr></blockquote><p>Yeah there's no Air pet, which makes no sense to me. The AAs need alott of work too. Hold on to your hats this could be a bumpy ride.</p><p> </p><p>RG</p>

[Dragonslayer810]

<div></div><p>Gaylon i would have to agree with ya.</p><p>I personally would like to see improvements to our abilities...such as decreased casting times, recovery times, etc.</p>

[Magu]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Gaylon wrote:<div></div><p>Yeah there's no Air pet, which makes no sense to me. The AAs need alott of work too. Hold on to your hats this could be a bumpy ride.</p><hr></blockquote>Um. We got our newest Air pet at 60.60 + 14 = 74KoS only expands to level 70.Do you now see why no new air pet makes sense?</span></div>

[Janl]

Yes, as Magus pointed out, spells/CAs generally are upgraded every 14 levels, with a few exceptions.  Our next Aery pet should come at level 74, which will have to wait until they increase the level cap again.  If you'll remember, we didn't receive a new Igneous pet in DoF for this very reason.<div></div>

[Triyton]

<div></div><p><font size="2">22 Conjuror spells over 10 levels and <font color="#ff0000">ONE</font>, count 'em <font color="#ff0000">ONE</font> that is actually new?  What work did they put into this, coming up with the names?</font></p><p><font size="2">So basically they have the new Alternate Advancement point system.  We are supposed to grind through 10 levels of sameness so we can start having actual fun when we get to that, it would seem.</font></p><p><font size="2"></font> </p>

[mercurial]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Triyton wrote:<div></div><p><font size="2">22 Conjuror spells over 10 levels and <font color="#ff0000">ONE</font>, count 'em <font color="#ff0000">ONE</font> that is actually new?  What work did they put into this, coming up with the names?</font></p><p><font size="2">So basically they have the new Alternate Advancement point system.  We are supposed to grind through 10 levels of sameness so we can start having actual fun when we get to that, it would seem.</font></p><p><font size="2"></font> </p><hr></blockquote><p>If that is indeed the case i'm very disappointed.  DoF had 3 great new spells for Conjuror's that were completely unique.   KoS has 1 new spell with a 15 min recast... </p>

[Magu]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Triyton wrote:<div></div><p><font size="2">So basically they have the new Alternate Advancement point system.  We are supposed to grind through 10 levels of sameness so we can start having actual fun when we get to that, it would seem.</font></p><hr></blockquote>You say that as if you can't get points during those 10 levels.(You can)</span></div>

[Dragonslayer810]

<div></div><p>LOL you guys see the illusionist hats?!?!</p><p>I hope we get an original hat like that....having the same hat as a wizzy would kinda blow.</p>

[mercurial]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Magus` wrote:<div><span><blockquote><hr>Triyton wrote:<div></div><p><font size="2">So basically they have the new Alternate Advancement point system.  We are supposed to grind through 10 levels of sameness so we can start having actual fun when we get to that, it would seem.</font></p><hr></blockquote>You say that as if you can't get points during those 10 levels.(You can)</span></div><hr></blockquote><p>Maybe i was a bit premature in my dissatisfaction...just looked through the AA point system for Conjuror's---and it looks pretty good.   Going to be tough choosing the right path.   Is there any way to re-spec what points you allot?</p><p> </p><p> </p>

[RedRockCandy!]

<div></div>Pets! Hats! Screens! NOW!<div></div>

[Xalmat]

Check other threads. We're too lazy to repost them. Also check out the Summoner's Tower for more pics.

[RedRockCandy!]

<div></div>I did check other threads, couldnt find anything so I made a topic. Links?<div></div>

[Arody]

<div></div><p>well im ready to grind to 70...... so i hope the pets are going to be decent</p><p> </p><p>is any1 going to race do u think to be the first lvl 70 conj</p>

[RedRockCandy!]

<div></div>I went to the summoners tower and it didnt take long to remember why I never go there. Couldnt find jack diddly. I checked both the expansion page and pets page and didnt see anything.<div></div>

[AbsentmindedMage]

There is a picture of the igneous savant pet and the upgraded pyro swarm pet on Summoner's Tower.  But there isnt one of the new tellurian. someone said it looked like the constructs near cazic-thule though.<div></div>

[Banditman]

<div></div><p>I ran across only one buffed Conjuror in beta, who had a red lizard tellurian.</p><p>I have not seen a buffed Conjuror since, and my Conjuror isn't high enough level to cast the spell.</p>

[EQ2Playa432]

<div>When you look at Conj's AA's, they arent that bad considering all the other classes.</div><div> </div><div>Just look at Paladin's and you will be happy. :smileyindifferent:</div>

[AbsentmindedMage]

<span><blockquote><hr>Banditman wrote:<div></div><p>I ran across only one buffed Conjuror in beta, who had a red lizard tellurian.</p><p>I have not seen a buffed Conjuror since, and my Conjuror isn't high enough level to cast the spell.</p><hr></blockquote>What is this "red lizard" I keep hearing about?  I thought someone said the new tellurian looked like the constructs near cazic thule?</span><div></div>

[Xalmat]

Tellurian Champion Master I:<img src="http://www.mattcrews.com/images/eq2/kos-beta/tellurian-champion-master.jpg">Tellurian Champion Master I, when Planar Shift is cast:<img src="http://www.mattcrews.com/images/eq2/kos-beta/tellurian-champion-master-planar-shift.jpg">

[Shina]

<div></div><p>are they serious????</p><p>that red thing looks somehow... ridiculous... i bet the necros get something even more beautiful than their level 60 pet and what do we get? a six-legged, dark-red, spiked THING no one would allow to enter his house... i bet it chewes on my bed...</p>

[RedRockCandy!]

<div></div>What a let down, ah well. I tell people in my guild that if KoS doesnt deliver then I'm off EQII for good, after seeing this garbage I doubt I'll even pick the expansion up.<div></div>

[Xalmat]

Oh please. You're going to quit over the graphics of your pet? Get a grip.

[StaticLex]

<div></div><div>I doubt I would personally quit, but I will certainly [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] and moan until the end of time.  :smileyindifferent:</div><div> </div><div>And so.. here it is..  Yet another stupid looking animal pet.  What the hell part of "elemental" doesn't SOE understand?!  :smileymad:</div><p>Message Edited by StaticLex on <span class="date_text">02-13-2006</span><span class="time_text">03:02 AM</span></p>

[RedRockCandy!]

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>Xalmat wrote:Oh please. You're going to quit over the graphics of your pet? Get a grip.<hr></blockquote>Get a clue you weirdo. I'm not talking about quitting over just the pet models. It's a combination of things in the past and in the coming expansion. We already know that all the class hats won't be finished and now I see the rehashed Conjuror pet model problem isnt being remedied either. My main is a Conjuror and nothing in this expansion is not making her more interesting to play. I can't justify spending $60 for more broken and unfinished content and uninspired graphics and models.</span><div></div>

[Xalmat]

1. Where did you hear that the class hats won't be finished? From what I've seen they mostly are, and they also seem to be dropping on Beta high end raids.2. KoS is, 1 week from release, far more polished than Desert of Flames was one month after release.3. So new pets, new achievements, a whole new buff line for your pet, significantly improved mid-level gear drops (compared to previous tiers), 10 new experience and tradeskill levels, content designed around these new 10 levels, and about a couple dozen new zones aren't enough to justify the cost of an expansion? What is? You won't want to stay level 60 forever, and if Desert of Flames is any indication, most older zones will be abandoned in favor of the new zones that come out, leaving you in the dust.4. You obviously haven't seen much of the expansion. The graphics are quite phenomenal, especially in the dungeons.

[RedRockCandy!]

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>Xalmat wrote:1. Where did you hear that the class hats won't be finished? From what I've seen they mostly are, and they also seem to be dropping on Beta high end raids.2. KoS is, 1 week from release, far more polished than Desert of Flames was one month after release.3. So new pets, new achievements, a whole new buff line for your pet, significantly improved mid-level gear drops (compared to previous tiers), 10 new experience and tradeskill levels, content designed around these new 10 levels, and about a couple dozen new zones aren't enough to justify the cost of an expansion? What is? You won't want to stay level 60 forever, and if Desert of Flames is any indication, most older zones will be abandoned in favor of the new zones that come out, leaving you in the dust.4. You obviously haven't seen much of the expansion. The graphics are quite phenomenal, especially in the dungeons.<hr></blockquote>1. Moorgard says so in the thread titled "Profession hats?". It's marked on the dev tracker, second page.2. I'll take your word for it since I did not have the desire to beta test.3. Recycled graphics for pets (again) is not "new". The achievements just seem like filler to me, some of the spells really sound usefull though. Most people I saw on here protested new levels, its just another grind fest, (yawn).If I don't pick up the expansion that means I'm no longer playing, not hanging out in old zones.4. I've seen about 50 screens of some KoS zones that uses recycled Feerrott graphics. I've seen large temples with recycled DoF interior graphics, complete with Djinn pillows and such too. But hey, if you got some super top secret screens that are going to totally blow me away please post them. Until then nothing in this expansion warranted a new disc, should have just been a Live Update.</span><div></div>

[Meleania]

The giant red lizard looks ok, it could be worse<div></div>

[sonicshadow]

<div></div><div></div><p>Agree^^^......its "interesting" at the kinds of models that SOE chooses to use, wonder what the new models for Necro pets are, they're probably way cooler than ours anyways.....I don't feel that the lizard does us any justice, in terms of Earth pet models (Neither does the monkey...). The other picture looks nice, but I don't feel anything "original" comming from SOE in terms of pet models. Looks like SOE got lazy again *COUGH* Aery Hunter *COUGH* <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>I wonder what the new fire pet looks like.........</p><p>Xalmat, are you agreeing that the lizard does us justice for our new earth pet? It now seems that you've turned yourself into quite the 'SOE-boy-fan'. Honestly, Xalmat, what happened to you?</p><p>Sure you put up a good argument, but, still! You are agreeing with SOE about our new "lizard"! It's like saying that SOE could make the next air pet model a bird or something un-creative and you would agree with that.</p><p>Did SOE threaten to break your legs, Xalmat, if you didn't agree with everything they say, since they know that you have a great influence among the conjuror community?</p><p>Xalmat, start playing your cards right! You're starting to lose influence and trust among the conjuror community. Back when EQ2 first came out, you were against SOE about the pet models,  you held your opinions at a high priority, you made the summoner's tower and you even managed to make sure that the combat revamp was 'right' (IN THE END!!) for conjurors! I personally thank you for that. But now you're agreeing with shiiity pet models, and agreeing with dumb acts made by SOE (Ex, making 10 new levels, but that's just my opinion). The way you're acting, Xalmat, has cost you a lot of people that are influenced by you (including me).      But hey, a lot of people are playing conjurors now, and maybe its just opinions clashing right? I'm getting really suspicious about you because you are the only link, for conjurors, to SOE. You have actually met these guys (Back when DOF was releasing) Basically what I'm trying to say is:</p><p>                     "Convince me, that you're here for the good of conjurors, and not for the good of SOE."</p><p> </p><p>.......I need the convincing.....</p><p> </p><p>Message Edited by sonicshadow on <span class="date_text">02-12-2006</span><span class="time_text">08:56 PM</span></p>

[Xalmat]

I love how you claim to know everything about me, despite the fact that you've never talked to me in-game, in-person, via email/PMs/IMs, or any other means of communication besides attacking me on the boards. I also love how you are putting words into my mouth, and flat out lying. Congrats, you must feel proud of yourself. <i>/sarcasm off</i>I never said I agree that the Tellurian Champion should be a basilisk. You show me where I said that.I just said its stupid to quit the game over it.I'm only one person. If you think something should change, you need to speak up yourself. Don't rely on someone else to do it. There are plenty of avenues to submit feedback, I suggest you look into it. I'm not "the only link", as you put it.As for the fire pet, Igneous Savant Adept I:<img src="http://www.mattcrews.com/images/eq2/kos-beta/igneous-savant-adept.jpg"><p>Message Edited by Xalmat on <span class="date_text">02-12-2006</span><span class="time_text">11:22 PM</span></p>

[Fayline Fyrecat]

<div></div><div>sonicshadow... There's really a simple solution to your <strike>delusion </strike>dilema.  Click on Xalmat's name, go to User Actions and Add to Ignore List.  Simple as that, you won't ever have to read another post by him.  That way the rest of us can benefit from his posts and not put up with BS from people like you :smileyhappy:</div><div> </div><div>You honestly think SOE has planted people to try and sway the community in favor of all changes they make?  For each class?  Take a sec to realize how stupid that sounds please.</div>

[AbsentmindedMage]

Thanks for the screenshots of the "red lizard". Does the adept and apprentice version of that have different models?  I know the likelihood of myself seeing a master pet spell in my spell book is slim to none.<div></div>

[Xalmat]

No, just different tints/textures (none of which I have screenies of).

[StaticLex]

<div>The guy is an obvious fanboy.  Since I have started visiting the MB I have yet to see him criticize a single thing SOE has done.  Do what I do, just read his posts for the sake of keeping a thread coherant.</div>

[Albrig]

Xalmat must surely be representative for SoE and Conjurors in much the same capacity as others are representative of being complaintative about things they can't ordinarily change unless they swear repeatedly.BTW. I hate Xalmat.He's so-ooo neutral and grey.I bet I could soften the relationship if I sent him a bunny-rabbit.

[RedRockCandy!]

<div></div>Well we now know what some of the new half-@ssed pets look like. How about that profession hat?<div></div>

[Xecr]

I personally, also think that Xalmat is turning into a fanboi for SOE. Can't really say specifically, it's just been a feeling I've been getting lately.Sad really. I remember when he was very proactive against the nerfs, now it just seems like he takes it in stride, and then asks for another with a big smile plastered on his face.<font color="red">I'm only one person. If you think something should change, you need to speak up yourself. Don't rely on someone else to do it. There are plenty of avenues to submit feedback, I suggest you look into it. I'm not "the only link", as you put it.</font>You're the officially recognized community leader for conjuror's. Your word carries a lot more weight than ours. You're the only avenue in which most of us feel comfortable to believe that anything we say, that you relay to them, is actually going to be listened to and considered.Using the ingame /feedback and /bug features does not give me a warm fuzzy that I'm being listened to. In fact, I'm pretty well convinced that 90% of all /feedback and /bugs that are submitted are not seen, or just plain ignored.Personally, I like the new graphic for our tank pet, and only marginally satisfied with the new fire pet graphic.From what i've read about the AA's, overall, i'm happy with it, but still have serious misgivings about how you can earn AA's and how their going to allow room for expansion of AA's in the future has I'm sure the current system will show it's constraints fairly early. I'm also leary about the AA abilities themselves. Some look cool, others look completely useless and I'm not sure I'm going to like being nailed down to fully specializing in just one tree.Reading over at your forums on your website, it seems our pets have taken a nerf in the HP department. I've seen nothing from you indicating you were checking it out, though i could be wrong, i havn't thorougly perused the boards yet. I've seen nothing from SOE indicating that they acknowledge this mistake, or stealth nerf.I would be extremely happy if SOE opened up some forums, like they have in EQ1, where we could voice our concerns and what we want, and an SOE rep actually read through them, answered them, and liase with the dev's in addressing our concerns and what we want.At the very least, provide an avenue by which we can check to see if our /feedbacks and /bugs were making it to the proper people. A lot of us, i'm sure, would shut up if we just knew for sure that our /bugs and /feedback were actualy making it to someone who could do something with them.An SOE rep coming out and telling us, they do get looked at, and considered is not enough. It's easy enough for an SOE rep to tell us all that while he's behind the scenes pressing the delete button...know what i mean??Xec<p>Message Edited by Xecros on <span class="date_text">02-13-2006</span><span class="time_text">05:15 PM</span></p>

[Taishi]

<div></div>Love the fire pet. Tank pet is ok. Could honestly care less about the diff between ours and necro pets graphics. Seriously, if you don't like this class that much then reroll a necro lol. I will outright agree on the fact of an hp/avoidance nerf/mistake via LU19 though. It was painstakingly obvious right off the bat. Now that I've learned to play around it the hp diff means little to me. Seems like our class has a bunch of whiners in it again which makes me sad. I mean really we are powerful as it is and the "nerfs" they've done have taught me how to play my class that much better and have only briefly impeded me in minor ways. Maybe it's just me but it seems some people that play conjurors don't understand how much it takes to play well. Anyway I'm mildly disappointed with only one new spell in line with the expansion but at least they added something new. I fully expect the AA's to work as intended and for some to be more logical to the classes involved however from what I've seen of it so far we have mostly weak ones and some that are not sensible to a mage even i.e. Ritual Stab. Last time I checked conjurors don't melee lol. Also 99% of the worthwhile weapons including prismatic 1.0 & 2.0 aren't piercing weapons. Oh well that's just my 2cp.

[RedRockCandy!]

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>Taishici wrote:<div></div>Seriously, if you don't like this class that much then reroll a necro<hr></blockquote>I love my Conjuror. But I constantly feel like I am being punished for playing her. We protest because we want things changed and fixed, not because we dislike our class.Also, no more anti-Xalmat posts. To be honest this is the first time I have ever made any kind of contact with her, and yea she is a bit of a weirdo, but she is still posting screenshots from beta for you and myself for free. From what I have been able to tell, she has about as much say so in what SOE changes or sees as any of us. If one of you think you can do better than Xalmat then please by all means have at it, or appoint a new Conjuror community leader. You will need to be or find someone with a knack for getting SOEs attention, good or bad attention. Someone that is not afraid to be blunt with SOE but is also able to offer good ideas, someone very vocal. In short, if you want Xalmat gone you're going to have to come together as a community and find someone that will work harder than her.</span><div></div>

[Xalmat]

I'm a guy in RL, actually. However, thank you for the kind words!<p>Message Edited by Xalmat on <span class="date_text">02-13-2006</span><span class="time_text">10:23 AM</span></p>

[hellfire]

<div></div>have not seen conj hat yet.have  seen or found where the rouge/ priest/chanter/sorcer hats .these are arch type hats and can be gotten off group content.the class only hat is off high end raids  iirc.

[jeanjuedi]

<div>Heh, necro here, don't kick me out please.  I gotta say, I think your new pets look pretty [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] nice.  I actually think the lizard looks cool, and getting the Magolemus on Planar Shift?  Effing awesome.  I am starting to get a bit jealous myself <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </div>

[AbsentmindedMage]

<span><blockquote><hr>jeanjuedi wrote:<div>Heh, necro here, don't kick me out please.  I gotta say, I think your new pets look pretty [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] nice.  I actually think the lizard looks cool, and getting the Magolemus on Planar Shift?  Effing awesome.  I am starting to get a bit jealous myself <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </div><hr></blockquote>I am not sure how to feel about it.  Something like this wouldnt have been my first choice.  I would have liked to have seen the model they are using for the fire mage's planar shift used for the tellurian model.  With green flames around it instead of red.My understanding is that Conjurers summon/pull things from the various planes.  So, I can understand how it doesnt necessarily have to be something elemental e.g. the swarm of bats (guessing those came from plane of nightmares or something like that)  Though if they felt it inappropriate to give us the purple troglodytes (Huuptics from Feerrott) then not sure why they want to give us these red basilisk lizards.</span><div></div>

[RedRockCandy!]

<div></div>I wish I could sommon the EQOA Magician master class pets.<div></div>

[Blast2hell]

<div></div><p>I saw this in person(picture from above)</p><p><img src="http://www.mattcrews.com/images/eq2/kos-beta/tellurian-champion-master-planar-shift.jpg"></p><p> </p><p>One of the conjurors on our raid whipped this bad boy out.  I know it's not the new graphics I hear a lot of people asking for. But as a person watching someone summon a pet...I thought this was the coolest conjuror pet I've seen yet.    Have I seen the graphic somewhere already....oh yeah.  But the fact that a conjuror can summon something like this is very cool to me.     Admit the basilisk isn't impressive.    Love the stone giant though, that thing is huge, and intimidating hehe.</p>

[Gorhauth]

<div></div><div><span><blockquote><hr>Shinaya wrote:<div></div><p>that red thing looks somehow... ridiculous... i bet the necros get something even more beautiful than their level 60 pet and what do we get? a six-legged, dark-red, spiked THING no one would allow to enter his house... i bet it chewes on my bed...</p><hr></blockquote>I love the look of the new tank pet.  I can tell you that if he only chews on your bed, its a lot more housebroken than I am <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span></div>

[tass]

pet is........different. how tall is that other pet with the planer shift casted? looks enormous. anyway on to my real question, what does planer shift do in specifivs? I know the neks new spell arises the dead all around them and sends them to kick whatever poor mobs [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] is in front of them so what exactly makes are new spell as great as that and uber? cause if its some type of pet proc it better be a dam good 1 lol<div></div>

[Blast2hell]

<div></div>the planar shifted pet towers over normal players,  I'd say it's about the same size as the stone giants in Cazic Thule.  In reality, it's big enough that your fellow players will always know exactly where it is, and may complain about it being in the way of there screen hehe.

[Kazz]

<div></div><div></div>Do we get that 'shift' spell or whatever at the same time/before the new earth pet?  Because Im fed up with being a master of the elements and having to whip out an insect/reptile every time I go somewhere.  (That shifted 'construct' looks the business though).Im getting a feeling its a case of minimum effort from them on the graphics front though, but Im not too surprised - some of the other features look promising.  Ill be giving it a go, and I guess thats all they really want anyway, my money.**Edit - just answered my own question - I see we get planar shift before the Tellurian Champion (thanks to a post on the first page) so Im happy - no lizard for me - providing planar shift is an 'until cancelled' spell and not limited duration**<div></div><p>Message Edited by Kazzah on <span class="date_text">02-14-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:38 PM</span></p><p><span class="time_text">**Edit - Doh - its limited duration - so I have to put up with a lizard**</span></p><p>Message Edited by Kazzah on <span class="date_text">02-14-2006</span><span class="time_text">03:06 PM</span></p>

[Koehianna]

<div>If the planar shifted earth pets are that enormous, then how are they going to fit in places like dungeons?</div>

[Janl]

Planar Shift unless I'm mistaken is a 1min duration buff with a 15min recast.  Don't expect to always have it on your pet.<div></div>

[Koehianna]

<div>Even if it's only 1 minute, it's not right to have a 25 foot pet halfway through the ceiling <em>just </em>because it'll only last for 1 minute.</div>

[SilkenMaid]

<div></div><div>Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing, but speech without thought is just useless babble. Xalmat works hard at trying his best to be informative and helpful and to be critical of him is to be critical of one's self. Because unless you are doing it better, trying to blame him for the woes of the game is a rather useless exercise.</div><div>He tries his best, that much is obvious from reading his posts and his website to walk that fine line often of trying to offend the least amount of people as possible.</div><div>Does that make him a fanboi? No, it simply makes him someone who understands that to gain access to the information easily that so many of us want/need from the game means trying to be as neutral as possible.</div><div>If he was to be constantly on the attack against SOE his line of information would soon dry up from many of his sources.  Its simply about politics. What you need to ask yourself is how many hats can one person expected to wear without ending up getting their fingers burnt and have it all come crashing down around their ears? Or, how much stress can someone handle in dealing with every problem that everyone throws their way if all they want to do is enjoy the game themselves?</div><div>Xalmat has enough on his plate, don't expect more from him then he is giving, because its is far more then many others are who simply wish to whine rather then carry that baton themselves.</div><div>Thankyou Xalmat. :womanvery-happy:</div><div>Oh and the hat pics are posted elsewhere in another forum..Items-Equipment one I believe?</div><div><font color="#ff33ff"><strong><em>* Silkwind-Runneye *</em></strong></font></div><div> </div><div><font face="Garamond" color="#ff66ff"><em>Suffering from...</em></font></div><div><font face="Garamond" color="#ff66ff"><em>[Signature-Clueless]</em></font></div><div><em><font face="Garamond" color="#ff66ff"></font></em> </div><div><em><font face="Garamond" color="#ff66ff">(If you want to complain then do so about the issues in the forums..thats what they are here for...)</font></em></div>

[StaticLex]

<div></div><div><hr></div><div><div>He tries his best, that much is obvious from reading his posts and his website to walk that fine line often of trying to offend the least amount of people as possible.</div><div>Does that make him a fanboi? No, it simply makes him someone who understands that to gain access to the information easily that so many of us want/need from the game means trying to be as neutral as possible.<hr></div></div><p>You gotta be kidding me, why should I put up with a fanboy because SOE doesn't want to give me information?  That is absolutely ridiculous.  Besides, Xalmat is HARDLY nuetral.  When someone voices a complaint he doesn't remain silent like a NUETRAL person would, he tries to convince them otherwise.  Oh suchandsuch isn't <em>that</em> bad or, this was better than that, or be grateful the game isn't like it was this time last year.  It's pathetic, it's like we're reading from a SOE employee.  And apparently you missed that outrageous signature he had for a while where he blasted the playerbase for not playing on the test server and providing SOE free QA.</p><p> </p><p></p><hr>If he was to be constantly on the attack against SOE his line of information would soon dry up from many of his sources.  Its simply about politics.<hr><p>Politics my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn].  If SOE refuses to address customer concerns they'll repeatedly find themselves one cash cow less than what they had before.  You don't seem to understand this, the customer is in control.  Any company can stand to lose "problem customers" but when you start ignoring your customers en`masse you are going to have serious problems.</p><p> </p><p></p><hr>Xalmat has enough on his plate, don't expect more from him then he is giving, because its is far more then many others are who simply wish to whine rather then carry that baton themselves.<div>Thankyou Xalmat. <img width="16" border="0" src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/smilies/16x16_woman-very-happy.gif" height="16"><hr></div><div> </div><div>Even the fanboy has a fanboy.</div><div> </div><div>lol</div><div> </div><div>Anyway, carry what baton?  Nothing on my end is stopping SOE from talking to <em>me</em> about the state of the class/game.  I simply refuse to be a kiss-[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn].</div>

[Janl]

Dude, chill the hell out.  I don't know when it became the cool thing to do to start bashing Xalmat.  Just because he doesn't start [Removed for Content] and moaning about every [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] little change doesn't make him a "fanboi".  None of the changes that have come our way have been major.  Even the HP loss our pets took isn't major.  It doesn't affect our soloing at all unless you're trying to solo Heroics that you probably shouldn't have been able to solo before anyway.  Yes, I'd love it if the devs would give us an idea as to whether they intended the change or not and if they plan to change it back, but it's not game breaking.Again, just because some of the rest of you jump up and down like spoiled little children and the rest of us do not, doesn't make Xal or any of us "fanboys".<div></div>

[Xalmat]

<blockquote><hr>Janl wrote:I don't know when it became the cool thing to do to start bashing Xalmat.<hr></blockquote>I think the moment people realized that they can easily <a href="mailto<img src="/smilies/1069449046bcd664c21db15b1dfedaee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[email protected]" target="_blank">voice their complaints directly</a>, then realized that I might actually reply to them in a non-childish, logical, and intelligent adult manner, that they decided it would be far easier to bash me publically through the anonymity of the internet than put up with logic.That, or they're just jealous that I got invited to the October 2005 Community Summit and they didn't.Honestly though, no idea.<p>Message Edited by Xalmat on <span class="date_text">02-15-2006</span><span class="time_text">11:02 PM</span></p>

[supersupervisor]

<div></div><div>so lemme understand this clear static - becos Xal has an other opinion as u about the game (u see the flaws - he sees the good parts) he works for SOE? get a grip man - and what is bad at trying to convince people that EQ2 improved loads last year - its a fact that it did - if u cant accept the game as it is - make one of your own and make it perfect - i dont think u ever tried to design sumthing, its not as easy as it seems. by that SOE has many servers they all have to fix constantly - do u expect they can do it at the same moment as that u send them a bug-report? there are priorities in the game. atm the biggest thing is to get KoS moving - then they will have time to polish the rest again.</div><div> </div><div>and about not beeing able to solo heroics - it was worse that we COULD solo heroics before than that it is that we cannot now. the description on a heroic does not say a group of 3 or more for nothing.</div><div> </div><div>one more thing - Xalmat has done more things for conjurors as any1 else has - i dont think he deserves this kind of complains from a yealeous kid like u.</div><div> </div><div>thats all for now!</div>

[Mathaleus]

<div>While I agree that the bashing of Xalmat is uncalled for, there is one point in that post that I have to argue.  At the moment, the biggest thing shouldn't be to get KoS moving.  They need to spend less time worried about trying to make more money by creating expansions, and start fixing the stuff they already have.  Eventually people do get tired of buying buggy add-ons to a program that isn't going to get fixed itself.  Though, KoS is suppose to be more ready for release than PoF was after BETA. </div>

[Janl]

Not entirely disagreeing with you Math, but it's not "just" KoS that's got them busy.  Yes, they've got an expansion coming in less than a week.  But they're also setting up new ruleset servers (for PvP) and doing server mergers.  Maybe they shouldn't tried to take on so much at the same time?  Maybe.  But the fact is, they have, and since they've acknowledged now that the change was unintended, I'm willing to wait a (short) while to get it fixed before I start jumping up and down.<div></div>

[hellfire]

<div>is there a game that doesnt  have bugs? i play WoW and eq2 have played guild wars and eq1 and  everyone of these games has bugs./what game doesnt have buggs? lets  hear  em. </div>

[StaticLex]

<div>There is a difference between simply being optimistic and being a fanboy.  If I were to read Xalmat's posts I would think SOE could do no wrong, which is obviously not the truth.</div><div> </div><div>And no, I am not going to PM anyone for a private discussion.  1.) I don't care if SOE sees what I have to say 2.) I have the miraculous ability to carry on a discussion with people despite the "anonymity of the internet", and 3.) there is nothing I would say in an PM that I wouldn't say here.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div><hr><div>is there a game that doesnt  have bugs? i play WoW and eq2 have played guild wars and eq1 and  everyone of these games has bugs./what game doesnt have buggs? lets  hear  em.<hr></div><div> </div><div>My internet spades game is completely bug free.  :smileytongue:</div></div>

[Dojoc]

conji class hat:<img src="http://www.larocksmagic.com/clown/images/Adult%20Propeller.jpg"><div></div>

[Runelaron]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Blast2hell wrote:<div></div>the planar shifted pet towers over normal players,  I'd say it's about the same size as the stone giants in Cazic Thule.  In reality, it's big enough that your fellow players will always know exactly where it is, and may complain about it being in the way of there screen hehe.<hr></blockquote><p><font color="#3366ff">oops thaught i answered what planar shift does but ahah HERE LOOK!</font></p><p><font color="#3366ff">AA's and the Planar shift spell.</font></p><p><font color="#3366ff"><a target="_blank" href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=29&message.id=11713">http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=29&message.id=11713</a></font></p>

[Za]

<blockquote><hr>SilkenMaid wrote:<div></div><div>Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing, but speech without thought is just useless babble. Xalmat works hard at trying his best to be informative and helpful and to be critical of him is to be critical of one's self. Because unless you are doing it better, trying to blame him for the woes of the game is a rather useless exercise.</div><div>He tries his best, that much is obvious from reading his posts and his website to walk that fine line often of trying to offend the least amount of people as possible.</div><div>Does that make him a fanboi? No, it simply makes him someone who understands that to gain access to the information easily that so many of us want/need from the game means trying to be as neutral as possible.</div><div>If he was to be constantly on the attack against SOE his line of information would soon dry up from many of his sources.  Its simply about politics. What you need to ask yourself is how many hats can one person expected to wear without ending up getting their fingers burnt and have it all come crashing down around their ears? Or, how much stress can someone handle in dealing with every problem that everyone throws their way if all they want to do is enjoy the game themselves?</div><div>Xalmat has enough on his plate, don't expect more from him then he is giving, because its is far more then many others are who simply wish to whine rather then carry that baton themselves.</div><div>Thankyou Xalmat. :womanvery-happy:</div><div>Oh and the hat pics are posted elsewhere in another forum..Items-Equipment one I believe?</div><div><font color="#ff33ff"><strong><em>* Silkwind-Runneye *</em></strong></font></div><div> </div><div><font face="Garamond" color="#ff66ff"><em>Suffering from...</em></font></div><div><font face="Garamond" color="#ff66ff"><em>[Signature-Clueless]</em></font></div><div><em><font face="Garamond" color="#ff66ff"></font></em> </div><div><em><font face="Garamond" color="#ff66ff">(If you want to complain then do so about the issues in the forums..thats what they are here for...)</font></em></div><hr></blockquote>AWESOME POST!BTW, StaticLex, neutral people don't remain quiet, we fight either side as needed. If SoE is wrong they're wrong. If a poster is wrong THEY'RE wrong. 99% of the time, postes on these forums are a convoluted mix.Xalmat gets props from me because every post I've ever read of his tries to be upfront and accurate about the whole picture, not just the part that has a negative effect on him personally.BTW, the term Fanboi has absolutely no meaning... If you aren't a fan of the game then you're an absolute [Removed for Content] for paying $15+ a month to play something you have no love for... I'd be suprised if you really were that stupid. So I have to assume that we're all fans to some extent. No one here things SoE craps golden eggs either. Last I checked, Jesus didn't work at SoE and no one there has Divine Prominence... So I expect them to screw up on a regular basis. And when they do we'll all call them on it in an appropriate way...Some people just lack the ability to guage appropriateness.<p>Message Edited by Zald on <span class="date_text">02-16-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:42 PM</span></p>

[Klu]

The necro pets look great, suppose I'm in the minority but I also think our lizard pet looks great too. In fact everyone seems to like the golem and hate the lizard, I like the lizard and think the golem should not have been used since I'v seen it a million times already en route to CT.<div></div>

[Za]

I'm a necro, I think ALL the pets look cool.The grass is NOT always greener kids... Necro forumns are full of "Conjurers got better looking pets" kiddies just like here.

[Koehianna]

<div>While I'm not completely satisfied with the graphics of our pets, I do have to agree that they are better than the Necromancers'. :smileyvery-happy:</div><div> </div><div>Some of their pets aren't undead looking AT ALL. We're lucky to have pets that embody the elements in some type of way or another.</div>

[Xev]

Personally, I think the lizard pet looks terrible.  I have no idea why they would make our pet a little mutant lizard.  I won't stop playing because of it, the class itself is great, but for our endgame tank pet, they should use something a little more creative and, well, not as stupid looking.I love the Planar Shift model though.<div></div>

[PcJUNKE]

first time poster long time reader =Pso does any one actually have a picture of the Conj Hat?<div></div>

[StaticLex]

<div>Even the plane shifted model is poor, it's another copy/pasted mob graphic.  If they can't give us pets that at least halfway resemble some element it would be nice if they could give us pet graphics that are completely unqiue to the class.</div>

[Janl]

The thing about the living stone golem model though is that it's a model people have been asking for, for awhile now.  I'm not super crazy about the red lizard either, but it's 100x better than the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] purple huuptic.<div></div>

[Koehianna]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>StaticLex wrote:<div>Even the plane shifted model is poor, it's another copy/pasted mob graphic.  If they can't give us pets that at least halfway resemble some element it would be nice if they could give us pet graphics that are completely unqiue to the class.</div><hr></blockquote>How can you say our pets don't resemble the elements? All of our fire pets are wreathed in flames, our scout pets are all transparent/aery, and our earth pets are all composed of rock.

[hellfire]

<div></div>our scout pets are ghosts and our earth pet is a alien beast umm yeah very elemental like [Removed for Content].

[StaticLex]

<div><hr>How can you say our pets don't resemble the elements?<hr></div><div> </div><div>Err, the beetle at level 1?  The centipede at level 12?  The worm at 38?  Where's the "rock"?  That only ones that halfway resemble a rock/earth pet is the 26 pet and the 52 pet.  I guess you hadn't noticed but the level 60 scout pet is a wood elf.  Everything else is just a mob with some particles attached to it.</div><div> </div><div>With a product where one might expect to be "blown away" by the makers sense of imagination and artistic skill, we get a whole lot of copy/paste laziness.</div>

[Za]

<blockquote><hr>Koehianna wrote:<div>While I'm not completely satisfied with the graphics of our pets, I do have to agree that they are better than the Necromancers'. :smileyvery-happy:</div><div> </div><div>Some of their pets aren't undead looking AT ALL. We're lucky to have pets that embody the elements in some type of way or another.</div><hr></blockquote>Hmm, love posts like this...Open your eyes. Necro pets all fit the bill. They don't all have to be Nigh of the Living Dead throw backs.Conj = Elemental based researchers.Necros = Dark planes... death research.Necros work with skeletons and Zombies sure. But shadows have long been concidered detached souls... Vampires of course fit, Specters.. the embodiment of death... Gargoyles.. If Mistmoore used them to watch his castle... why can't I have one as a follower to? Lore wise aren't gargoyles souls that were trapped in stone to use as guardians? The Flaming bat... well the elemental fire isn't the only kind of fire... Think Brimstone... and yeah IMHO, the L60+ dogs should be Hell Hounds and have flame effects.Anyway... Necro pets fit, Conj pets fit, we should all be happy.

[Za]

<blockquote><hr>StaticLex wrote:<div><hr>How can you say our pets don't resemble the elements?<hr></div><div> </div><div>Err, the beetle at level 1?  The centipede at level 12?  The worm at 38?  Where's the "rock"?  That only ones that halfway resemble a rock/earth pet is the 26 pet and the 52 pet.  I guess you hadn't noticed but the level 60 scout pet is a wood elf.  Everything else is just a mob with some particles attached to it.</div><div> </div><div>With a product where one might expect to be "blown away" by the makers sense of imagination and artistic skill, we get a whole lot of copy/paste laziness.</div><hr></blockquote>The makers made the original models! What you think they should made 1 more specially for you to prove their worthiness... hehe...Their graphics people have made hundreds of models for EQ2, and you're whining cuz they didn't make one especially uniqe for the pet you'll use for all of 10 levels and then STILL whine about it cuz its not as good looking as the mob you saw when you were level 10...I'd expect the majority of all pets to also be mobs... It'd be stupid and a waste of time to devote resources to create world class art for 2 out of 16 classes to gawk at for 10 out of 70 levels each.Correction... Since Conj and Necros don't share models, they'd be making custom models... Not just skins and textures, but model skeletons for 1 class to use for 10 levels. Wow thats efficiency for ya....How would you like if they made 1 absolutely unique model just for Conjs... but you kept that model throughout the entire game... Cuz thats really the only other option. I personally would think that SUCKS.<p>Message Edited by Zald on <span class="date_text">02-17-2006</span><span class="time_text">11:29 AM</span></p>

[PcJUNKE]

Dont like the look of the pets roll a new class, you picked the conj for the class not to be some pet shop,  or to run a fashion show you did it for one reason and one reason only......Conjs Rock<span> :smileyhappy:</span><div></div>

[StaticLex]

<div></div><div>I would easily settle for one model for each pet type to use throughout the entire game.  As long as the only time you would see the model was as a conjuror's pet.</div><div> </div><div>And I could care less how efficient or inefficient it is.  I pay for the game with the expectation of experiencing that type of thing.  If they can't afford to create new models then maybe they should charge more money?</div><p>Message Edited by StaticLex on <span class="date_text">02-17-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:50 PM</span></p>

[Za]

<blockquote><hr>StaticLex wrote:<div></div><div>I would easily settle for one model for each pet type to use throughout the entire game.  As long as the only time you would see the model was as a conjuror's pet.</div><div> </div><div>And I could care less how efficient or inefficient it is.  I pay for the game with the expectation of experiencing that type of thing.  If they can't afford to create new models then maybe they should charge more money?</div><p>Message Edited by StaticLex on <span class="date_text">02-17-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:50 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Well hey gotta respect your opinion, but it doesn't belong here.1. I guarantee the vast majority of the players would rather not have 1 really unique pet throughout the entire game.2. No, you don't pay enough to warrant that kind of custom service. Paying $20 a month don't make you CEO of Sony. No, I also guarantee you that the vast majority wouldn't want to pay more just so they see some unique pixles on their screen.My suggestion is that you take all that extra money you're willing to throw around and hire some programmers to write a game just for you. That way you can control all the uniquness and artwork to your heart's content.

[PcJUNKE]

/agree Zald<div></div>

[StaticLex]

<div></div><p>Sadly, you're right.  I am not stupid enough to enjoy this game like "the vast majority" does.</p><p>/sigh</p><p>Oh well, what can a guy do.</p>

[sonicshadow]

<div>Okay, that going to start up a flame war^^^^^^!!!!!!!!!! Don't be provoked folks unless you want this thread locked.</div><div> </div><div>I can easily see both points of view on the arguments about Xalmat. And abviously I'm tending to lean over to one side. Well all I can say is, "Xalmat, do your thang!" Xalmat hasn't done anything wrong, yet. But I was being prejudice, so of course I apologize. I do agree that SOE has crappy customer service, I don't think that anyone can deny that.</div><div>But in my opinion its what your preferences are, and what you want changed in the game. I would personally prefer if this game was ran by a different company.......so far.</div><div> </div><div> </div>

[StaticLex]

<div><hr>I would personally prefer if this game was ran by a different company.......so far.<hr></div><div> </div><div>I agree completely.  After having played both EQs over the past 6 or so years I have come to realize it really is the company philosophy that hurts the game more than anything.  I used to think it was incompetant developers, designers, bad customer service, etc.  Well, I guess I shouldn't say <em>used</em> to, but I think problems in those areas are amplified SOE's attempt to nickle and dime everyone to death in the shortest amount of time.  But like I said I agree with ya, I wish the game was in the hands of a patient, quality orientated company.</div>

[sonicshadow]

<div></div><div></div><div>Scary thing is, what I said could probably get this thread locked, or my message deleted. :smileywink:</div><div> </div><div>These guys are impatient (as you were implying StaticLex). A good example of this would be the new release of Kos. They only did this because they feared the competiton of the new games that are being released in March. Some of them include; The <em>Sims 2: Open for Buisness</em> and the <em>Battle for Middle Earth 2. </em>I don't know about you but they haven't fixed some <strike>annoying</strike> bugs in DoF and already, they're releasing another EP?! Talk about a rushed EP!!! Some people have predicted that KoS will either make or break the game. As was the same situation with DoF. This shouldn't be a situation with any EP, IMHO!!</div><div> </div><div> I don't know how, but SOE has gotten their hands really "dirty" with all of the bugs in EQ2 (Yes, some of them were fixed, but there still are more bugs). And in my honest opinion, I think that new bugs are added within each patch...........testers maybe (No offence to you testers)? Like I said, SOE has got their hands "dirty" and they have (Atleast!!) pi$$ed off every player in the game, once. Whether its bugs or Customer Service, they get everyone <strike>pi$$ed</strike> frustrated with the game. I don't think that games are suppose to do that. I was particulary peeved (I'm toning down me language) with our fire and air pets before revamp, for abvious reasons. I'm not ready to "thrash out on SOE" yet simply b/c its the little bugs and nerfs that are picking away at my patience. I don't think that good games should require a huge revamp like that........but I still think that EQ2 is a fun game for some reason.....And that's why I'm not going to play another game (for those of you that are about to suggest that...).......</div><div> </div><div>Now to conclude this post:</div><div>With SOE, one thing usually leads to another. Whether it be good or bad.</div><div> </div><div>(I'd be surprised if the Mods didn't delete this reply........:smileytongue<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><p>Message Edited by sonicshadow on <span class="date_text">02-18-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:49 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by sonicshadow on <span class="date_text">02-18-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:55 PM</span></p>

[Janl]

Just for the record, I kinda doubt the release of single player games had much sway over when SOE decided to release the new expansion.  Also, every game has bugs.  If you think that any major game (no, Solitaire doesn't count) will ever exist that is completely and 100% bug free you are living in a fantasy world.  Even console games where the developers know exactly what the hardware is going to be sometimes (and usually) has at least a few bugs.  And I played WoW for a short time.  Ya know what?  There are bugs in that game too.  Yeah, really.  I promise.<div></div>

[mercurial]

<div>Not to further sidetrack this thread from it's original topic---but I still find it amusing when people look back at the EQ1 Verant days with such longing.   You know what i remember from those days?   People talking about how bad Verant was and how they didn't care how players felt, how buggy the game was, and how they just WISHED someone else was making the decisions.   Notice any similarities between that and SOE?   The fact is you're always going to have discontent by some of the player base in any online game of this scale.   I'm not saying Verant did a bad job and SOE is without flaw---just that i've been playing EQ 1/2 since the original game came out...and the one thing that remains consistent is some players thinking the guys in charge are doing it wrong.</div>

[StaticLex]

<div></div><div>Yes I remember the Verant days, they were horrible at times.  There were some nasty game mechanics but you know what, I don't remember them rushing to pump out expansions faster than fixing broken content, bugs, and whatever else.  For a brief period after SOE took over the game and before they kicked into ultra-greedy-ignore-the-game mode the game was the most fun of all.  Since then it has consistently gone downhill.</div><div> </div><div>As far as switching games offering a different but equally unsatisfactory play experience.. I don't know.  I am inclined <em>not</em> to try Vangaard because I know how bad Verant was back in the day.  On the other hand it might be naive to think they haven't learned from their mistakes.  I will have to try and mooch a free trial or something so I don't end up wasting 50 bucks.  :smileytongue:</div><div> </div><div>As far as DDO, I have heard they are struggling and it is not coming along so well.  I suppose time will tell which of these games rises to the top.</div><p>Message Edited by StaticLex on <span class="date_text">02-19-2006</span><span class="time_text">03:37 AM</span></p>

[sonicshadow]

<div></div><div></div><div><hr></div><div>Also, every game has bugs</div><div><hr></div><div> </div><div>Yeah, and I didn't know this? Try not making assumptions about me based on what you read. Just because I didn't mention it, doesn't mean that I don't know it (No offence btw). I was talking about really nasty bugs that annoys the hell out of people......</div><div> </div><div>Alrighty everyone, I think that all of the discussion on this topic should be posted on another thread or something just because we're way off topic....</div><p>Message Edited by sonicshadow on <span class="date_text">02-19-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:20 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by sonicshadow on <span class="date_text">02-19-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:21 AM</span></p>

[Koehianna]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Zald wrote:<blockquote><hr>Koehianna wrote:<div>While I'm not completely satisfied with the graphics of our pets, I do have to agree that they are better than the Necromancers'. :smileyvery-happy:</div><div> </div><div>Some of their pets aren't undead looking AT ALL. We're lucky to have pets that embody the elements in some type of way or another.</div><hr></blockquote>Hmm, love posts like this...Open your eyes. Necro pets all fit the bill. They don't all have to be Nigh of the Living Dead throw backs.Conj = Elemental based researchers.Necros = Dark planes... death research.Necros work with skeletons and Zombies sure. But shadows have long been concidered detached souls... Vampires of course fit, Specters.. the embodiment of death... Gargoyles.. If Mistmoore used them to watch his castle... why can't I have one as a follower to? Lore wise aren't gargoyles souls that were trapped in stone to use as guardians? The Flaming bat... well the elemental fire isn't the only kind of fire... Think Brimstone... and yeah IMHO, the L60+ dogs should be Hell Hounds and have flame effects.Anyway... Necro pets fit, Conj pets fit, we should all be happy.<hr></blockquote>The one that irks me the most about Necros is basically the vampires.  They are completely different from anything deathly, they're a whole separate entity. A necro summoning a vampire is like a conj summoning a gnoll. Like, where is the relationship? Sure, vampires are "evil" but technically, the way vampires work revolves around nothing death-ish.

[Tin_Tinne]

<div></div><div>Vampires are reanimated corpses of dead people.</div><p>Message Edited by Tin_Tinneth on <span class="date_text">02-19-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:28 PM</span></p>

[StaticLex]

<div>I don't know, I thought vampires were supposed to be people with some sort of "disease", not dead people who came back to life.  Besides, why would a corpse have to sleep and eat.  Reanimated corpses of dead people = zombies?</div>

[Xalmat]

From Dictionary.com:vam·piren.1. A reanimated corpse that is believed to rise from the grave at night to suck the blood of sleeping people.2. A person, such as an extortionist, who preys upon others.3. A vampire bat.Also:vampiren : (folklore) a corpse that rises at night to drink the blood of the living [syn: lamia]andla·mi·an. pl. la·mi·as or la·mi·ae (-m-)1. also Lamia Greek Mythology. A monster represented as a serpent with the head and breasts of a woman that ate children and sucked the blood from men.2. A female vampire.A common association with a Vampire in modern western lore is often that of Count Dracula of Transylvania.<p>Message Edited by Xalmat on <span class="date_text">02-19-2006</span><span class="time_text">05:03 PM</span></p>

[Xecr]

<blockquote><hr>SilkenMaid wrote:<div></div><div>Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing, but speech without thought is just useless babble. Xalmat works hard at trying his best to be informative and helpful and to be critical of him is to be critical of one's self. Because unless you are doing it better, trying to blame him for the woes of the game is a rather useless exercise.</div><div>He tries his best, that much is obvious from reading his posts and his website to walk that fine line often of trying to offend the least amount of people as possible.</div><div>Does that make him a fanboi? No, it simply makes him someone who understands that to gain access to the information easily that so many of us want/need from the game means trying to be as neutral as possible.</div><div>If he was to be constantly on the attack against SOE his line of information would soon dry up from many of his sources.  Its simply about politics. What you need to ask yourself is how many hats can one person expected to wear without ending up getting their fingers burnt and have it all come crashing down around their ears? Or, how much stress can someone handle in dealing with every problem that everyone throws their way if all they want to do is enjoy the game themselves?</div><div>Xalmat has enough on his plate, don't expect more from him then he is giving, because its is far more then many others are who simply wish to whine rather then carry that baton themselves.</div><div>Thankyou Xalmat. :womanvery-happy:</div><div>Oh and the hat pics are posted elsewhere in another forum..Items-Equipment one I believe?</div><div><font color="#ff33ff"><strong><em>* Silkwind-Runneye *</em></strong></font></div><div> </div><div><font face="Garamond" color="#ff66ff"><em>Suffering from...</em></font></div><div><font face="Garamond" color="#ff66ff"><em>[Signature-Clueless]</em></font></div><div><em><font face="Garamond" color="#ff66ff"></font></em> </div><div><em><font face="Garamond" color="#ff66ff">(If you want to complain then do so about the issues in the forums..thats what they are here for...)</font></em></div><hr></blockquote>Xalmat's purpose for being the designated, "goto", guy for Conjuror's is not to pass on information to the conjuror community, but to be a focal point for getting our issues heard has well as passing on information.On two separate occasions, I've seen Xalmat post about recommending, and/or, asking for a change, and/or, giving his approval to a change to the conjuror's that reflected his own personal opinion which did not necassarily reflect the opinion of the conjuror playerbase.In short, he has used his position to push his own agenda on what he thinks constitutes a balanced conjuror and not what the general conjuror playerbase thinks constitutes a balanced playerbase.One of those opinions he pushed actually went live has a nerf, (though i can't recall exactly, and i'm too lazy to search his boards to find out what it was, i just remember that it happened)His job is to relay what the conjuror's want, and not to push his own agenda. If they conincide, great, if they don't, then he should be a big enough man to pass on what we want, and not what he would prefer.It is possible to complain to the powers that be, without [Removed for Content] them off, and thus, drying up an information source, has you put it. A good politician knows how to tell you to shove it up your @ss and make you feel good about being told to do it.Xec

[Janl]

I don't seem to recall Xal pushing his own agenda.  Hell, at the summit he even asked for ideas to present.  The only thing he "didn't listen to the community" about was Call of the Hero, and it's not just him who doesn't like the spell.  So, unless you want to NOT be lazy and post some facts about it.....  I still say I'd much rather have had a more useful spell as an Ancient than an occasionally used spell just to reduce downtime in getting a replacement to the group.<div></div>

[erdam]

Vampires are generally considered undead.  Same as ghouls, ghasts, shadows, shades, ghosts, zombies, skeletons, liches, etc.  One of the main differences is that vampires generally retain their living form.  (other than a few changes like paleness)  IE they dont rot like ghouls, ghasts, zombies, liches, and skeletons.  Or have a have an incoporal form like ghosts, shadows and shades.  They also get to retain their intellegence unlike many undead.<div></div>

[ArrA]

<div></div><blockquote><div></div><p><em>"2. No, you don't pay enough to warrant that kind of custom service. Paying $20 a month don't make you CEO of Sony. No, I also guarantee you that the vast majority wouldn't want to pay more just so they see some unique pixles on their screen."</em></p><p> </p><p>W R O N G.</p><p> </p><p>The vast majority of people here are paying more money for pixels. The graphics engine is the biggest seller of this MMO and you're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.</p><p>There are plenty of MMOs on the market that offer all of EQ2s gameplay with older style graphics for a lesser monthly subscription.</p><p> </p></blockquote>

[Jeradim]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>ArrA wrote:<div></div><blockquote><div></div><p><em>"2. No, you don't pay enough to warrant that kind of custom service. Paying $20 a month don't make you CEO of Sony. No, I also guarantee you that the vast majority wouldn't want to pay more just so they see some unique pixles on their screen."</em></p><p> </p><p>W R O N G.</p><p> </p><p>The vast majority of people here are paying more money for pixels. The graphics engine is the biggest seller of this MMO and you're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.</p><p>There are plenty of MMOs on the market that offer all of EQ2s gameplay with older style graphics for a lesser monthly subscription.</p><p> </p></blockquote><hr></blockquote>Obviously neither of us has hard numbers to back us up, but I would disagree with you on this point.  Most of what I hear people say about EQ2's graphics is negative.  No one seems to like them compared to that other MMO.  Personally I like the style of graphics in EQ2 (except the character models of a few races).  That's not why I like the game though.  Game play/design is most important to me.  I couldn't care less if they gave us fricken Care Bears for pet models as long as they functioned properly and can lay the beat-down on mobs.  Frankly, I don't think there is another MMO out there that has the all of EQ2's gameplay -the quest system, tradeskill system, combat mechanics, class diversity etc.- not to mention the in depth lore, multitude of zones to choose from etc.  I think if you asked all the gruntled (not disgruntled hehe) players who enjoy the game what they enjoy most about it, I don't think graphics would come out on top.</div><div> </div><div>So we get a big red lizard for a pet...who cares?  Sure I'd rather look at a Necro's grim terror pet (?the lamia one), but I think if I had one of those I might never leave my inn-room :smileywink:</div><div> </div><div>EDIT:  Oh oh...I guess I'm a fanboi now *ducks*</div><p>Message Edited by Jeradim on <span class="date_text">02-21-2006</span><span class="time_text">04:48 PM</span></p>

[Smeegill]

<div></div><div></div><p>Staticlex said</p><div><hr>I would personally prefer if this game was ran by a different company.......so far.<hr></div><div> </div><div>I agree completely.  After having played both EQs over the past 6 or so years I have come to realize it really is the company philosophy that hurts the game more than anything.  I used to think it was incompetant developers, designers, bad customer service, etc.  Well, I guess I shouldn't say <em>used</em> to, but I think problems in those areas are amplified SOE's attempt to nickle and dime everyone to death in the shortest amount of time.  But like I said I agree with ya, I wish the game was in the hands of a patient, quality orientated company.</div><p></p><div>60 Conjuror ~ 60 Sage</div><p>==========================</p><p> </p><p>Win the Powerball Bro.  Its like 360 Million.  Then you could tell everyone to suck balls and run the company like the sensative, customer friendly, all listening, caring, coddling, loving and nuturing company that would never put Money or profits ahead of their Passionate, Loyal, Deserving Fans like you.</p><p>:smileyhappy::smileyvery-happy::smileywink::smileytongue:</p><p> </p><p>Fizbiz 60.2 Conjuro Everfrost</p><p> </p><p>Edit Note: Xalmat You Rock BTW.  True your a bit o'fanboi but you put in the time and really run a great site that helps the conj community.  3 cheers to you mate.</p><p>Message Edited by Smeegill on <span class="date_text">02-21-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:36 PM</span></p>

[StaticLex]

<div><hr>...that would never put Money or profits ahead of their Passionate, Loyal, Deserving Fans like you.<hr></div><div> </div><div>I don't think operating a quality MMO and making money are mutually exclusive.  But hey what do I know, not only do I not have a computer degree, I don't have one in business either.  :p</div>

[Za]

<blockquote><hr>ArrA wrote:<div></div><blockquote><div></div><p><em>"2. No, you don't pay enough to warrant that kind of custom service. Paying $20 a month don't make you CEO of Sony. No, I also guarantee you that the vast majority wouldn't want to pay more just so they see some unique pixles on their screen."</em></p><p> </p><p>W R O N G.</p><p> </p><p>The vast majority of people here are paying more money for pixels. The graphics engine is the biggest seller of this MMO and you're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.</p><p>There are plenty of MMOs on the market that offer all of EQ2s gameplay with older style graphics for a lesser monthly subscription.</p><p> </p></blockquote><hr></blockquote>NO, You're wrong hehe... We pay for content, gameplay, AND graphics. So at best, a VERY small amount of any monthly fee goes towards artwork... and I've priced 3D work creation... You can't afford it.

[Za]

<blockquote><hr>StaticLex wrote:<div><hr>...that would never put Money or profits ahead of their Passionate, Loyal, Deserving Fans like you.<hr></div><div> </div><div>I don't think operating a quality MMO and making money are mutually exclusive.  But hey what do I know, not only do I not have a computer degree, I don't have one in business either.  :p</div><hr></blockquote>The old saying about not being able to please everybody is 1000% true, esp in business.You use terms like "operating a quality MMO" ... well thats completely subjective. You feel SoE doesn't operate a quality MMO, I personally don't think they're worse than any other publisher of any other application I have installed on my computer.I don't think they're worse that Symantec, Microsoft, Bethesda, Quicken, NVidia, etc...See I've dealt with and been in the computer services industry for 15 years. Every dog has his day and they all end up with fleas at some point. SoE runs its business like every other business. Customers are NEVER the end all be all. If you're a public company your number 1 priority by law is your stockholders. Your absolute obligation is to try to make them a profit. Now, that said, customers absolutely DO matter, becasue without them you don't stand a chance of being successful. Therein lies the conundrum. When trying to balance customer needs, needs for profit, competition and the technological limitations involved in pretty much everything, some customers aren't going to always be happy. HeII, some customers will never be happy and shouldn't have ever bought your product to begin with.So... <i>Operating a Quality MMO </i>by your standards is an impossible task if you define it as creating a system where all customers will be happy, or even a system whose goal is to make all customers happy at any cost. The only realistic goal is to define a target market and make that market as happier than your competition does, while at the same time creating profits wherever possible.From what I've seen over the years with EQ, EQ2, AA, DAoC, EQ2, CoH, and a few other MMOs is that they all try their best to do exactly what I just outlined. And none of them have 100% happy customers... in fact I bet you $1000 US... if I showed you a series of quotes that didn't contain a product title or obvious details, that you couldn't tell what product any particular post was complaining about. I guarantee you couldn't do it. Becasue all in all, you're either a complainer or you're not. In all those games and all games to come, you'll either be happy with what you're playing or you'll make the same cookie cutter complaints that everyone else playing every other game is saying about the game they're playing.

[StaticLex]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div>It's not as subjective as you think.  When people judge a company they compare it to the various other companies they have patronized in their lifetime.  Did they get burned on some crappy furniture from K-Mart?  Did they get a very dependable truck from Ford?  People remember these things.  Not only do they remember these things, but there are millions more people patronizing various companies <em>every single day,</em> recording these same experiences.  And when the day is done or the weekend rolls around they talk with friends, family, and neighbors about what sorts of experiences they had with those companies.  A common sense of quality develops and people learn it.  To prove my point, how many times have you asked or had someone ask you "Where to get a good Mousetrap(tm)?".  People often trust eachother's sense of judgement when it comes to buying an item or dealing with a company that they have no experience with.  If it was so wildly subjective like you seem to think nobody would dare consult someone else on where to spend their money.</div><p>Message Edited by StaticLex on <span class="date_text">02-22-2006</span><span class="time_text">08:11 PM</span></p>

[Za]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>StaticLex wrote:<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div>It's not as subjective as you think.  When people judge a company they compare it to the various other companies they have patronized in their lifetime.  Did they get burned on some crappy furniture from K-Mart?  Did they get a very dependable truck from Ford?  People remember these things.  Not only do they remember these things, but there are millions more people patronizing various companies <em>every single day,</em> recording these same experiences.  And when the day is done or the weekend rolls around they talk with friends, family, and neighbors about what sorts of experiences they had with those companies.  A common sense of quality develops and people learn it.  To prove my point, how many times have you asked or had someone ask you "Where to get a good Mousetrap(tm)?".  People often trust eachother's sense of judgement when it comes to buying an item or dealing with a company that they have no experience with.  If it was so wildly subjective like you seem to think nobody would dare consult someone else on where to spend their money.</div><p>Message Edited by StaticLex on <span class="date_text">02-22-2006</span><span class="time_text">08:11 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote><p>And I never take someone elses word as gold... maybe you do. I won't argue with you...If I want to know who makes a good mousetrap I do more than ask basic questions and I NEVER trust an emotional answer.  </p><p>If my best friend has a problem with a company I ask why... then I judge that company based on my own knowledge and experience. 90% of the time, people not in  the computer industry have less realistic expectations and less pacience with software companies. So I take anything they say with a grain of salt.</p><p>I read your posts the same way. If you could point to one software company that had perfect policies or no unhappy customers I'd eat my shoes. But you cant... Of course you'll say there are, or you'll say there are companies that YOU are happy with or that YOU haven't had any issues with... yet. But few companies interact with their customers on a daily even hourly basis as a company running an MMO, and if you don't think t hat matters... well... see above...</p>

[StaticLex]

<div></div><div><hr>But you cant... Of course you'll say there are, or you'll say there are companies that YOU are happy with or that YOU haven't had any issues with... yet.<hr></div><div> </div><div>It wouldn't matter what I said, I think you would simply disagree for the sake of making your point.</div><p>Message Edited by StaticLex on <span class="date_text">02-23-2006</span><span class="time_text">07:16 PM</span></p>

[sonicshadow]

<div></div><div></div><p>Okay Zald and StaticLex, this debate is really good. But all I see is the clashing of two different opinions. Abviously both of you have some backround knowledge of buisness and technology, but if this whole argument is based on two opinions then it won't prove anything except that your egos are large. (<And I mean this with no offence)</p><p>Once you guys start pulling out straight, reliable, true-to-the-heart evidence, then I could see this argument going somewhere. But for now, PM each other this argument, its starting to bore me. Plus we need to get back on topic.</p><p> </p><p>This has been the formula for this thread:</p><p>Pet Modelling Complaints>Xalmat (And that was my fault)>SOE issues(Once again, my fault lol)>How an electronic gaming buisness should be run</p><p>I don't know about the rest of you, but I think that we all might want to consider getting back on topic before this thread gets locked............or amybe it should?</p><p>Message Edited by sonicshadow on <span class="date_text">02-26-2006</span><span class="time_text">05:49 PM</span></p>

[Themaginator]

<div></div>what the hell is with this people are so dumb just cuz a person says "SoE does something good" you [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing rip on them that is rediculous if you dont like the game quit you losers! arent you fanboys cuz you play the game anyway jus..grrrrrrrrrrrr.....SHUT UP<div></div><p>Message Edited by Themaginator on <span class="date_text">02-26-2006</span><span class="time_text">07:07 PM</span></p>

[StaticLex]

<div>You edited your post and it <em>still</em> came out like that?</div><div> </div><div>:smileyindifferent:</div><div> </div><div>Anyway, I can't even remember what this thread was about.  lol  Not that it matters really, it's all just rolling conversation.</div>

[Za]

<blockquote><hr>StaticLex wrote:<div></div><div><hr>But you cant... Of course you'll say there are, or you'll say there are companies that YOU are happy with or that YOU haven't had any issues with... yet.<hr></div><div> </div><div>It wouldn't matter what I said, I think you would simply disagree for the sake of making your point.</div><p>Message Edited by StaticLex on <span class="date_text">02-23-2006</span><span class="time_text">07:16 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Well no, I honestly don't think you or anyone else could. I live on Earth with humans, and as of yet, haven't met a perfect one, more less a whole organization of them... Yes, I am proving my point.. that SoE isn't perfect, but neither is any other company. Most companies just don't provide a public forumn for their customers to come complain on. Personally, I've concidered doing it at my company, but we (me and my staff) all know that the negative posts would become a problem dispite the fact that 93ish% of our customers (that number is actually based on survey results)think we provide good support.This makes me sad and sick becasue I'd personally like to have a more open dialogue with my customers. But it just won't happen.

[Themaginator]

I understand what you mean Zald so many of the posts on this forum are so very negative but i bet you 90% of SoEs customers are just fine with stuff...its a crying shame<div></div>

[TangBaBa]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><p>OK- sorry to get back on topic :smileywink: but I was really hoping for something better than the hedgehog looking thing. Could it have been worse? Yes. But this is, as someone else put it, the end-game pet.</p><p>As a future level 70 conjy, I will be racing around Norrath at speeds inconceivable to lower levels; using magics which will be both breathtaking and awestriking in power; fighting giants, monsters, and dragons, all with the help of my trusty ... er... porcupine??!?</p><p>=( Just doesn't seem appropriate for the level. I would have much rather have the golem, just smaller. As for planar shift, I'd be happy with just size and stat increases.</p><p>EDIT: Punctuation =P</p><p>Message Edited by TangBaBa on <span class="date_text">03-08-2006</span><span class="time_text">11:39 AM</span></p><p><span class="time_text">EDIT: (2) Wasn't clear on the planar shift bit.</span></p><p>Message Edited by TangBaBa on <span class="date_text">03-08-2006</span><span class="time_text">11:57 AM</span></p>