I officially hate the new Aery Hunter (Aery Wood Elf )

[ClawHammr]

<DIV>When you first summon him, you see the clothed/human version and then he turns into a Ghost</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>He is a very short wood elf </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>He has one spear on his back that magically becomes 2 when he starts fighting</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>He looks like he is stumbling when he runs</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I would MUCH rather have the old graphic back - Why does SOE make changes like this without any kind of player input ?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think its safe to say the Necros had a tottaly different team working on them, they got some very cool Pets. If I could trade my Conj for a Necro at this point, I would do it </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by ClawHammr on <span class=date_text>12-22-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:31 PM</span>

[Beldin_]

I also would like much more to have a Lamia or a Vampire instead of this ugly ghostly elf that doesn't even know the /showhood command :smileyindifferent:

[Liol]

I agree. He should be a nice aery air elemental, not a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing ghost. <div></div>

[Magu]

At least we agree on one thing, Claw <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> The new hunter model is horrible... <div></div>

[Thmy]

<DIV>have we lost the ability to have the air pet be poking or slashing</DIV> <DIV>before we could cast and have three different types of items in the 2 hands.</DIV> <DIV>sword-sword</DIV> <DIV>ax-?</DIV> <DIV>spear-?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Shikar]

<DIV>I agree about the new Aery Hunter pet looks being kinda weak- especially when you look at what they did for the Necros. The most amazing pet I've seen by far was the level 60 necro master pet- the detail on his armor and weapons exceeded anything I've come across on players. It's cool that they have that pet look and they should keep it, but maybe they could revamp the Aery stalker to at least fix the weapons/walk as mentioned above.</DIV>

[Violat0r]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Shikar wrote:<BR> <DIV>I agree about the new Aery Hunter pet looks being kinda weak- especially when you look at what they did for the Necros. The most amazing pet I've seen by far was the level 60 necro master pet- the detail on his armor and weapons exceeded anything I've come across on players. It's cool that they have that pet look and they should keep it, but maybe they could revamp the Aery stalker to at least fix the weapons/walk as mentioned above.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>/totally agree</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The master 1 necro pet graphic is nothing less than superb, generally im a fan SOE but come on!!! Why do you demonstrate such competent graphical skills with a couple of the pets then submit some UTTER garbage for others....???</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>/disappointed with air pet</DIV>

[Fhenix]

I officially hate all the new conjuror pets..  Why cant they just give us new pet models instead of reusing mobs that are in the game.  LAZYness. <div></div>

[Beldin_]

<DIV>The only worse they could do now is give our pets the appearance of a bruiser in the new AQ armor :smileyvery-happy:</DIV>

[Albrig]

SoE have done the impossible.Utterly destroyed Summoner's pets.Congratulations for royally [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing it up and to be quite honest about it, doing it in a way that points to a complete misunderstanding of how players view their pet - I think it was deliberate - or maybe Xalmat crossed over a line somewhere and made them particularly annoyed about Summoners - whatever.If any Summoner come Conjuror is not utterly shocked by these changes, they are simply hiding it in an overwhelming quantity of shocked-[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ed inducement.I would NEVER start a Summoner with the crap that I have seen on display in terms of pets.Necromancer pets are definitely happy everytime I meet one with their Resident Evil/Doom3 look-alikes.<div></div>

[Blitzrain]

<DIV>Thumbs down from me as well.  Air pet is bad, but what's up with the moldy Myrmidon?  I mean, seriously...how did they come to the conclusion that looked good?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Oh well, at least they fixed the procs...</DIV>

[Mordith]

I guess it's a matter of taste.  I actually like the new aery look as well as the moldy rock guy. <div></div>

[slyfer]

I play a lvl 60 Necro and I have to say that Conj's got hosed in the pet appearance department.  We got some really nice pet graphics.  Conj on the other had are not impressive at all.  I would have thought that your pets would have been just as impressive.

[EyeForg]

<DIV>Definate thumbs down.... I was extremely dissapointed to see my pets.  The old ones were much better.  These are just pathetic</DIV>

[Zachatan]

<DIV>hey at least they keep up with us now </DIV>

[ClawHammr]

<P>The only way Im going to use Air Pet now is if I cast an Illusion on him , Air or Earth Elemental</P> <P> </P>

[FinalHolmes]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Albright wrote:<BR>SoE have done the impossible.<BR>Utterly destroyed Summoner's pets.<BR><BR>Congratulations for royally [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing it up and to be quite honest about it, doing it in a way that points to a complete misunderstanding of how players view their pet - I think it was deliberate - or maybe Xalmat crossed over a line somewhere and made them particularly annoyed about Summoners - whatever.<BR><BR>If any Summoner come Conjuror is not utterly shocked by these changes, they are simply hiding it in an overwhelming quantity of shocked-[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ed inducement.<BR><BR><FONT color=#ff0000>I would NEVER start a Summoner with the crap that I have seen on display in terms of pets.</FONT><BR><BR>Necromancer pets are definitely happy everytime I meet one with their Resident Evil/Doom3 look-alikes.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>So, new player's to the game should stay away from a Summoner ?<BR>I will be starting a Summoner very soon and once more I am looking forward to the time ahead, I did play as a Conjurer some time ago, but RL issues took me away from the game.<BR>If you are not happy with your Conjurer please press the delete button, or go and find some master pet's, at the moment I am sitting with 4 master pet's, and it's not that hard to find them. </DIV>

[ClawHammr]

<P>I do have the Master Myrmidon and Magi- Problem is the Master Aery Hunter looks the same as the Adepts, except for a different weapon. Based on screenshots I have seen.</P> <P>He becomes a wood elf ghost with a Samurai sword</P>

[Magu]

<span><blockquote><hr>FinalHolmes wrote:<div></div> <div>So, new player's to the game should stay away from a Summoner ?I will be starting a Summoner very soon and once more I am looking forward to the time ahead, I did play as a Conjurer some time ago, but RL issues took me away from the game.If you are not happy with your Conjurer please press the delete button, or go and find some master pet's, at the moment I am sitting with 4 master pet's, and it's not that hard to find them. </div><hr></blockquote>Except that the masters dont look any better. They gave the master fire pet the crappy gargoyle look, and gave the nicer fire elemental to the adept level. They should change that back ASAP.</span><div></div>

[Albro]

Without trying to sound like a troll but at the same time not giving a crap whether I do. In all seriousness, people complaining about pet appearance within a few days of release is just so frikkin typical. I can't see a single post here about the positive enhancements that came in Live Update #18. Sure our pets don't look "uber" but they work a hell of alot better. You can make my pet look like a bloody gnome with undies on for I care so long as it has a realistic damage output and skills. And whoever said that SOE implement these changes without any player input can retract that statement because it's not true. Just because they didnt get a question directed specifically at them does not mean players were not included. /rant <div></div>

[ClawHammr]

<P>  That is where I and many others disagree with you. <STRONG>We want Pets that look cool AND work as intended</STRONG>. Show me a thread by a Conjurer requesting for these radical changes they have made to the Pet graphics or any communication between the Devs/Designers concerning what we want our Pets to look like. They did what THEY thought would be cool , and clearly their taste in this case is MUCH different than the<EM> </EM>majority of the players.</P> <P><BR> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Albro wrote:<BR>Without trying to sound like a troll but at the same time not giving a crap whether I do. In all seriousness, people complaining about pet appearance within a few days of release is just so frikkin typical. I can't see a single post here about the positive enhancements that came in Live Update #18. Sure our pets don't look "uber" but they work a hell of alot better. <STRONG>You can make my pet look like a bloody gnome with undies on for I care so long as it has a realistic damage output and skills.<BR></STRONG><BR>And whoever said that SOE implement these changes without any player input can retract that statement <STRONG>because it's not true</STRONG>. Just because they didnt get a question directed specifically at them does not mean players were not included. <BR><BR>/rant<BR><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <p>Message Edited by ClawHammr on <span class=date_text>12-22-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:40 PM</span>

[Beldin_]

The only good thing i could say about my air-pet is however that it only died once today on a Darathar Raid .. looks as if the resistances really are better now <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Daeloq]

<P>I have to say that I like the new look of my Stalker Adept III and Myrmidon Adept III.  I think the ghosty image of Aery is much better than that old vapor cloud... and the Tellurian looks more "earthy" to me now.  To me (and everyone is entitled to their own tastes and opinions) the models are improvements over the old ones.</P> <P>Whether or not our pets look as cool as necromancers is another story (I agree with most that the nec pets do look better).</P>

[Beldin_]

<DIV>I have no problems with the myrmidion .. i like that its smaller and can also live with the color .. but the aery .. no .. really not :smileysad:</DIV>

[Wildmage]

<DIV>my only complaint is that the rumbler model isn't animated enough reminds me of the old days with the beetle/spider lvl 20 training pet that just stood still and damage happened.</DIV>

[Meeb]

<DIV>i hate the rumbler model and want my monkey back it wsa a good model that worked well</DIV> <DIV>what i really want this is my gargole i waited 48 lvls to get that and was really psyched when i got to 47.9 know im going to get a cool looking fire pet</DIV> <DIV>its now the lvl 20 fun spell which just sucks i alos wish they would fix the taunts for the worm i keep losing aggro and im not nuking any harder than the day before the patch.</DIV>

[ClawHammr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Daeloq wrote:<BR> <P>I have to say that I like the new look of my <STRONG>Stalker Adept III</STRONG> and Myrmidon Adept III.  I think the ghosty image of Aery is much better than that old vapor cloud... and the Tellurian looks more "earthy" to me now.  To me (and everyone is entitled to their own tastes and opinions) the models are improvements over the old ones.</P> <P>Whether or not our pets look as cool as necromancers is another story (I agree with most that the nec pets do look better).</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P> The Stalker is actually  not bad - Its more like a true Ghost Warrior - but wait until you hit 60 and see the "more impressive " Aery Hunter . The faceless Ghost Warrior (Stalker) reveals his true form (Hunter)  :<STRONG> a 5 foot tall wood elf .</STRONG></P> <P><STRONG><U> This is our level 60 Pet. It should be the most impressive of them all</U>. Of all the models (NPC and Player) in the game to choose from, why a wood elf? It is because its a "Scout" Pet , so you figured a Wood Elf is a good Scout? The name of the pet is Aery Hunter, not Aery Wood Elf Scout. </STRONG></P> <P><STRONG>SOE please rethink this. Give us a Pet worth the time and effort of getting to level 60. Over 90% of the level 60 Conjurers are seriously disappointed with the new graphic. You could have just given the Hunter some REALLY cool weapons (something like Blackguard has -the Rujarkian Blade ) or maybe a Shield and some armor. But the Wood Elf has got to go.</STRONG></P> <P><STRONG> I would rather have a  Valkrie (from Everfrost) model than wood elf. A Valkrie has wings and in Ghost form would definitely look like a "hunter from the plane of air ". And Im sure there are other NPCs that would better represent an Aery Hunter than a Wood Elf.<BR></STRONG></P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by ClawHammr on <span class=date_text>12-22-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:39 PM</span>

[Xalmat]

I don't know what crack you guys are on, but I love that our air pets are ghosts now. And the new pet graphics are a significant improvement in variety than what we had before. Plus it makes more logical sense and makes it easier to differentiate them.Besides, if you hate them that badly, why weren't you complaining 2 weeks ago when I posted pictures? Hmmmm?<p>Message Edited by Xalmat on <span class=date_text>12-22-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:49 PM</span>

[ClawHammr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Xalmat wrote:<BR>I don't know what crack you guys are on, but I love that our air pets are ghosts now. And the new pet graphics are a significant improvement in variety than what we had before. Plus it makes more logical sense and makes it easier to differentiate them.<BR><BR><STRONG>Besides, if you hate them that badly, why weren't you complaining 2 weeks ago when I posted pictures? Hmmmm?</STRONG> <P>Message Edited by Xalmat on <SPAN class=date_text>12-22-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>09:49 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>  Are you even level 60 yet?You did not have pictures of the Aery Hunter until after LU18. Stalker was the only pic I remember seeing until just recently.<BR>

[Xalmat]

I'm not referring to Hunter specifically. I'm referring to all pets.And after seeing Hunter post-LU18, I like it a lot more than pre-LU18.

[ClawHammr]

Unfortunately Xalmat you are in the minority on this one. The majority of Conjurers do not like the changes so hopefully SOE will do something. Having a Robe or peice of Armor you dont like is one thing; you can usually find something else you do like. But not the case with our Pets. We dont get a choice. Sure , if you can find a way to get your hands on a Master I , then you can change the way your pet looks. But that is easier said than done. I definitely appreciate all the things you do for the Conjurer class but I disagree with you on the new pets. I actually liked the picture of the Aery Hunter when I first saw it, but seeing it in action is another story. I just expected a lot more from our level 60 Pet. The patch notes claim that as pets progress in level, they will become "more impressive " , not just "easier to differentiate" . I was expecting an impressive Pet for our highest level Aery Hunter. I know everyone has different tastes, but it seems most people agree with me.<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Xalmat wrote:<BR>I'm not referring to Hunter specifically. I'm referring to all pets.<BR><BR>And after seeing Hunter post-LU18, I like it a lot more than pre-LU18.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[Albro]

<div></div>I don't think Xalmat and myself are the minority at all, we being so is based on the post's in this thread simply. How can you not "like" the changes to Conjuror pets in LU18?  As said previously they are significantly better looking through all levels than they were prior to the update, they are significantly more effective than they were previously and they are signficantly more useful and noticable within a raid and single party scenario....the looks are a bonus but the update was anything but bad for us Conjuror's. Hassling SOE about it now is simply going to make them make them release untested changes onto the live servers and most likely ballz up everything they have done good for us in LU18, just because a number of Conjuror wanted to look cool. All good things comes to those who wait..sit tight and our pets will look better in time. <div></div><p>Message Edited by Albro on <span class=date_text>12-23-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:51 PM</span>

[Hend]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ClawHammr wrote:<BR>Unfortunately Xalmat you are in the minority on this one. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>No offense, but you have no way of knowing that. The disappointed voices are always the loudest in forums. Personally I don't care much what my pets look like as long as they can be identified easily and don't block anybody's view.<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Utok, 29 conjuror</DIV> <DIV>Vork, 55 guardian</DIV>

[Valam]

<P>I generally like the changes too the only pet that i don't like much is the new newbie earth pet, imo the  bettle was better mostly due to its stone pattern (maybe adding similar textures for the new follower could be a nice improvements)</P> <P>for every other pets i have no complains, i really like the rumbler and i think it makes sense as an earth pet</P> <P>the new adept3 fire pet is also good imo (is also the kind of pet summoned by the efreet in lavastorm) and to have the old fire demon at master is a nice look improvement</P> <P>for the air pet i think we had i nice improvement too, i can agree that some other model maybe could be better but even now the upgrade from the old "windy human" is good</P>

[Beldin_]

<DIV>If i at least could rip him the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] helm from his head .. i really hate the bad helm design in EQ2. We have a woodelf in the guild that also often runs around with helm visible .. each time i see that i wish to give him a slap in the face that he maybe drops it.. the same i feel now each time i see my aery :smileyvery-happy:</DIV>

[SilkenMaid]

<P>Personally I agree with Xalmat, I don't mind the changes except I keep tripping over my earth pet, it would seem he and my feet have the most intimate of relationships at times. However, since the pet does have a 'Wyrm' appearance, I was guessing it may have transformed into a dragon at higher levels. But saying that, also has me wondering whether they maybe looking at a combination pet spell in the future. Combining all the elements of the lower pets into the one pet.<FONT color=#ffccff> Air</FONT>, <FONT color=#ff3333>fire </FONT>and <FONT color=#99cc00>earth </FONT>(<FONT color=#ffff00>and ice</FONT>)  would definitely work for a Dragon style pet there..</P> <P><FONT color=#ff66ff></FONT> </P> <P><FONT color=#ff66ff>* huggles ya all - Silk *</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ff66ff>(L50 'blonde' Conj.- Runnyeye)</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ff99ff> (Be constructive and not destructive in your opinions, it often achieves more..)</FONT></P>

[GSOO]

<DIV>Air pet is a scout class.......I agree with one thing ....he should not ne a ghost......he should in fact be a genie or another critter from the plane of air. SO if they want to ghost type, and woodelf is ok. The most important thing is dps....that pet throws a bunch out.</DIV>

[Inuki1]

<P>I have to agree with the majority here - I was really looking forward to seeing the new pet models, only to be quite disappointed.  </P> <P>Don't get me wrong, some are nice - I like the new "Wyrm" earth one.  I am a bit disappointed with having my gargoyle taken from me and switched to Master 1 level, but that'll just make me try and get the Master even harder.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />   The myrmidon I'm not too fond of either...the "mossy" look, while a nice idea, just doesn't look good.  Also, I'm not a fan of the shrinkage...if it's a tank pet, I would like it to <EM>look</EM> like a tank pet...it should look stoic, impressive.  I liked the old black obsidion rock look much better.  </P> <P>As for the air pet....just yuck.  I was quite happy with the old, wisp of air look previously.  That look like it came from the plane of air...these ghosts we have now make me feel more like a necro.  I have the stalker right now, but I'm <STRONG>dreading</STRONG> getting the Hunter.  That woof elf look just looks so out of place as an air elemental.  </P> <P>My 2cp.  </P>

[StaticLex]

<DIV> <HR> Besides, if you hate them that badly, why weren't you complaining 2 weeks ago when I posted pictures? Hmmmm? <HR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Maybe because it's the TEST server and stuff there is subject to change.  Gawd.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The pets as a whole look just as lame now as they did before the patch.  The only unique, remotely cool looking pet, the fire gargoyle, is gone.  And what did we get in it's place, more copy and pasted mob graphics.  I am surprised they don't just rip off EQ1 pets with the featureless torso with arms, at least they had a steely, subtle intimidation to them.  And god knows it wouldn't be anymore work than they put into these models.  :smileyindifferent:</DIV><p>Message Edited by StaticLex on <span class=date_text>12-23-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:50 PM</span>

[Jeradim]

<DIV>I'm from the camp who really doesn't give a rats behind what the pets look like as long as they function.  The only thing I care about as far as graphics go are the attack animations.  As far as those are concerned, I only care that I can tell clearly when my pet is attacking, not so much what they look like.  Yes I miss my gargoyle and yes I miss my purple monkey, but it isn't game breaking for me.  That said, the Necro pets are way cool, while ours are just....meh :smileyindifferent:</DIV>

[Goozman]

<P>I haven't made my conjuror yet, I was waiting for the archetype and pet looks changes. I must say I'm not very impressed with what I've seen. The earth pets are the best out of the three, and they aren't all that great. I'm deffinitely on board with the scout pet being a genie/djinn thing; they could armor him up as you improve the spell, like the Nightshade. I think most the necromancer changes are excellent, but conjurors leave somethin to be desired</P> <P>This won't, however, effect whether I make the conjuror... that's been decided :smileytongue:</P>

[Igu]

<DIV>I am a 42 Conjuror and have all 3 pets as adept 3s.</DIV> <DIV>They added a staff to the Mage/warlock pet. woopie.</DIV> <DIV>They made my air pet hold 2 sticks instead of the swords he had (yes, i have seen the ghost pet and it sucks).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am furious over the tank pet. I grinded to get that cool little grinning guy. I loved his look. We get a rock snake instead??????</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] is with the centipede over the nasty looking spider???</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>On the other side, all of the Necro pets are awsome now. Ours just stink. :smileysad:</DIV>

[Jaso]

I'm quite dissapointed with it too.  I just got my first air pet, so I don't know what they looked like before, but the gassy ghostiness wasn't impressive.  Even worse, I bough my first Adept 3 to upgrade it, only to have it look exactly the same.  Which was kind of a downer.  It basically looks like they put no effect into the graphics at all.  Just as bad, my lvl 24 fish spell seems to have lost its shark.  I can't quite work out if its three transparent tuna fish, or three transparent pirahnas, but it really doesn't look very threatening any more.<div></div>

[Alix42]

<span> <blockquote><div>The pets as a whole look just as lame now as they did before the patch.  The only unique, remotely cool looking pet, the fire gargoyle, is gone.  </div><hr></blockquote>The gargoyle isn't gone. They just moved him to master 1.  I really wish Aery hunter would dual wield katanas; people(in my guild) love the katana.  Really the oddest thing I've noticed is that he does piercing damage with a katana.  The ultimate slashing weapon turned into a poker... LUDICROUS!!! The only thing that really bother's me about the wood elf look is the ears.  Maybe  they should make him a human ghost, or perhaps even an ogre ghost. Mmmm ogre scouts.</span><div></div>

[Eyes_of_Truth]

<P>Pros and Cons</P> <P>Air pets: </P> <P>Pros:</P> <P>They use combat arts more often, they now have different appearances insted of the same one with different weapons</P> <P>Cons:</P> <P>they have lost the ability to swap damage types, and while their new appearances add varriety, they really are not a huge graphical upgrade over the old one. Also, the level 60 DOES NOT look like an inhabitant from the plain of air. A Din'jin modle would be much more fitting, as they actually come from POA, and are in the DOF expansion. They are no longer the best pet for single target dps, fire pets now pass them up (with exception of the level 60 pet since noone has a 62 fire pet to compair it with). Im thinking the change that makes them uses CA more then melee has lowered the bonus offensive power from the offensive stance's haste boost, where has the mage pets have gained more spells that allrecive a direct dps boost from the stance's +haste. The devs should probly add a +str to the stance to keep the air pet in the lead for single target dps.</P> <P> </P> <P>Fire pets:</P> <P>Pros: doing much more damage with the faster casting and lower timers, better aoe damage with the addition of new spells like the AOE dot, and some of the new animations like the staff makes them look more "magish".</P> <P>Cons: The additions of new spells (all reciving a boost from the +int on our offensive stance) puts them in the lead ahead of the air pet as the best pet for single target dps. This throws off the balance that the pets formerly had, which air > fire on single and fire >air on multiple. Some people dislike the swaping around of the gargoil.</P> <P> </P> <P>Earth pets:</P> <P>Pros: THANK MARR and all of the other good gods that they FINALLY removed the ape with downs... Ape does not = earthy, not to mention the thing was purple...ever seen purple dirt? not a common sight. Im a huge fan of the Rumbler modle, and would only love it more if the master got a slightloy better visual upgrade other than a darker shell. Also, it's attack animations could use a small speed up.</P> <P>as for the higher level earth pets, i think the mossy animation would be better suited for the app1, and the adept rankings could be the onix like polished texture, and the master could have the onix texture with crimson red fissure marks, looking as though it is about to expload with power</P> <P>Cons:</P> <P>they are NOT taunting more often like the patcher stated, insted they are hardly ever taunting at all. Some people dislike the mossy animation, as it looks as though it was just thrown on, and it does not make it look impossing. The higher level earth pets are also embarisingly short. The centipeed modle is far less impressive then the spider. Still no mitigation.</P> <P> </P> <P>On the whole, the pets look better. But, there are plenty of areas that i think the majority of people would like some changes, namely the high end air pet, low end earth pet, all air pet's weapon design, lack of ability to swap air pet's weapons, and tank pet's lack of taunting.</P> <p>Message Edited by Eyes_of_Truth on <span class=date_text>12-24-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:06 PM</span>

[Magu]

<span><blockquote><hr>Xalmat wrote:I don't know what crack you guys are on, but I love that our air pets are ghosts now.<hr></blockquote>But we're not necromancers... We should have an AIR pet, not a GHOST pet. Ghosts belong to the world of the necro, not the conjuror.</span><div></div>

[Liol]

It would be nice if our higher level air pets could look like the eq2 equivalent of the <i>Blade Storms</i> / <i>Rock Storms</i> / <i>Bone Storms </i>of eq1, A swirling mass of blades, stones, or bones would be a neat way to show an elemental of air picking up avaliable weapons to attack something.  The blades, stones, or bones could be thought of as being a part of the summons, with the better weapons being part of the stronger summons. Does eq2 have a Blade Storm type model in it yet? <div></div>

[Big]

My Aery Hunter has been referred to as my 'companion' or 'significant other'.  It's really disturbing.  :smileyindifferent:

[Timzil]

I'd take the original pac-man models from EQ1 over most of the eq2 models. Would have thought EQ2 would have been "advanced" enough to have humanoid pets that we could customize by giving them equipment. Once of those mudmen in full cobalt would have been neat.

[DanaDark]

<DIV>Suggestion for all those who cry and moan over the new pet models: DELETE YOUR CONJUROR</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You OBVIOUSLY do NOT play the game for the fun, you play it for the looks.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And oh goodness, because the few of you say the old models LOOK better, we must all hail you as the knower and for sure determiners of all things artistic? Give me a break!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Complain, complain, complain! Don't like it? Re-roll! Don't like that? QUIT! Simple, my goodness you people are a bunch of babies!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I for one love these newer models, they are what influenced me to choose a conjuror over a necro. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It is totally ridiculous that you would post like this... it's like when a kid complains his brother's cookie is larger than his. Grow up!</DIV>

[Ildarus]

OK, what is up with you people. Roll a Necro if you like those pets. Guess what, a necro summons undead, Conjurerers summon elementals. From every book I have ever read or RPG I have ever played, Elementals were not some perfectly shaped being. They are made up of the elements that they represent, not all the elements to make some pretty pet in armor. If it is an earth elemental it should like like it is made up of Rocks or dirt. Fire should looke like fire and air like air. When I seen the air elementals following their master before LU18, that is the way they should look. A mass of moving air that is able to take substance and hold a weapon. The wood elf was a bad choice, but don't wish for the detail of the Necro because that is wrong too. To be honest the necro graphics are to pretty for me. They are undead for god sakes the armor should be in poor shape and falling off. They are dead.

[Eyes_of_Truth]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> DanaDark wrote:<BR> <DIV>Suggestion for all those who cry and moan over the new pet models: DELETE YOUR CONJUROR</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You OBVIOUSLY do NOT play the game for the fun, you play it for the looks.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And oh goodness, because the few of you say the old models LOOK better, we must all hail you as the knower and for sure determiners of all things artistic? Give me a break!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Complain, complain, complain! Don't like it? Re-roll! Don't like that? QUIT! Simple, my goodness you people are a bunch of babies!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I for one love these newer models, they are what influenced me to choose a conjuror over a necro. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It is totally ridiculous that you would post like this... it's like when a kid complains his brother's cookie is larger than his. Grow up!</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Hypocrit.</P> <P>Just shut up and dont post if your going to act like this. It's pointlessly rude and beligerent.</P> <P>Telling others to stop voicing their opinons, and telling the to delete their character (which, considering most complants are about the level 60 pet, i would highly doubt anyone would want to delete their level 60 character), is highly offensive to most people.</P> <P>I find it totally ridiculous that you would take the time to make a completely pointless post :smileyvery-happy:</P> <P>That being said:</P> <P>I am a huge fan of the new earth modles, but not a big fan of the current mossy-rock rumbler that is the 50+ earth pet, nor am i all to impressed with the majoirity of the air modles.</P> <P>To be frank, these pets are suposed to be summoned from their Plane of existice. Their are no ghostly wood elves in the Plain of Air. Their are Djinn though, and for that reason alone i think the devs should make the level 60 air pet a Dj'inn modle. This would also be appropreate considering the expansion = )</P> <P>Thats not an appearance issue for me, more of a "fitting your game's lore" issue. It's like giving cleric's ice commet, it just wouldnt fit.</P> <P>That being said, i wish they would keep the current lower level air pet, but loose the wierd looking duel-spears for, preferably for the ability to summon and resumon till we get a slashing pair of weapns or a piercing. For the piercing weaons, i feel rapiers look much more "at home" on the eart pet, and for slashing, perhaps whips.</P> <P>So anyway, no, most of us "whiners" are not  "complain[ing] [our] brother's cookie is larger than [ours].", but rather complainingthat while part of our cookie is delicious and clean, the other part that we'll have to eat later is moldy with maggots.<BR></P> <p>Message Edited by Eyes_of_Truth on <span class=date_text>12-29-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:09 AM</span>

[StaticLex]

<DIV> <HR> <DIV>Suggestion for all those who cry and moan over the new pet models: DELETE YOUR CONJUROR</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You OBVIOUSLY do NOT play the game for the fun, you play it for the looks.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And oh goodness, because the few of you say the old models LOOK better, we must all hail you as the knower and for sure determiners of all things artistic? Give me a break!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Complain, complain, complain! Don't like it? Re-roll! Don't like that? QUIT! Simple, my goodness you people are a bunch of babies! <HR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Suggestion for morons who butt into threads labeled "I officially hate the new Aery Hunter (Aery Wood Elf)" and proceed to whine about the respective content of those threads.  Go away, nobody asked you to read and/or comment on this thread.</DIV>

[DanaDark]

<P>StaticLX and Eyes_of_Truth both seem to fail to grasph the simple concepts I presented. However, judging from their more than aggressive response it is easy to tell they both were offended. Thus, logically, they both have innate frustration regarding the pets and this topic. Thus, sociologically and psychologically, they both have innate fear of me and/or the game models. (In Order and Conflic, 2004)</P> <P>This is rather interesting indeed! However, my opinions regarding the matter stand. It is fruitless for one to post simple how much they hate an appearance of the game.</P> <P>Additionally, it is in error to post such a topic if one expects no reply what so ever. Therefor, logic dictates that the OP was looking for similar opinions.</P> <P>However, those who feel only those with similar opinions should post regarding the topic have a power issue since they have a hard time differentiating themselves from others, requiring opthers to have the same opinions as themselves. (Human Psychology, 2002)</P> <P>So, to both StaticLX and Eyes_of_Truth, it is VERY easily seen by someone knowledgable, that your responses to me were more based through fear and power complexes rather than constructivity. That is alright though, after all, you are only human. :smileyvery-happy:</P>

[StaticLex]

<DIV> <HR> StaticLX and Eyes_of_Truth both seem to fail to grasph the simple concepts I presented. <HR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You presented a concept?  All I saw was a paragraph of hackneyed babble.  This psuedo-intellectual bit failed to amuse me also.  I guess it's a nerd thing?  :smileyindifferent:</DIV>

[Eyes_of_Truth]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> StaticLex wrote:<BR> <DIV> <HR> StaticLX and Eyes_of_Truth both seem to fail to grasph the simple concepts I presented. <HR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You presented a concept?  All I saw was a paragraph of hackneyed babble.  This psuedo-intellectual bit failed to amuse me also.  I guess it's a nerd thing?  :smileyindifferent:</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Rofl, simple AND effective!</P> <P>Well said.</P> <P>Kudos :smileyvery-happy:</P> <DIV>BTW, i laughed so hard at the intellectual ruse...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>EDIT:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Oh, reread his/her/their post...  so modest to isn't he/she/it? </DIV><p>Message Edited by Eyes_of_Truth on <span class=date_text>12-30-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:05 AM</span>

[Liol]

<span><blockquote><hr>StaticLex wrote:<div> <hr> StaticLX and Eyes_of_Truth both seem to fail to grasph the simple concepts I presented. <hr> </div> <div> </div> <div>You presented a concept?  All I saw was a paragraph of hackneyed babble.  This psuedo-intellectual bit failed to amuse me also.  I guess it's a nerd thing?  :smileyindifferent:</div><hr></blockquote>Why give the idiot that much credit.  It's posts just reminds me of people that use auto-fluffers to make their posts verbose. There are a few sites on the web that can take a few lines of text and dump in whatever their thesaurus finds to fluff the word count.</span><div></div>

[Ddraig99]

I am so annoyed with the change to the agneous magi adept III. I remember when I first arrived in Starcrest and saw a high conj with this cool fire demon thing following him around. So 3 months and 40 odd levels later I finally have the gold to buy one and what happens 3 days later....they turn it into (as someone else put it) a fiery ballet dancer. I mean who at SOE thought that for 1 second that it looked better? <div></div>

[ClawHammr]

Yeah I really dont understand why they would make such radical changes without even asking us what we want.    Has a Dev even commented on the changes they made to the Pets and all the feedback we have given ? Of course not

[Xalmat]

<blockquote><hr>ClawHammr wrote:Yeah I really dont understand why they would make such radical changes without even asking us what we want.<hr></blockquote>You forget, we <I>did</I>, as a community, ask for pets to look better, especially the purple monkey (which is not an Earthen being in the least). So whether or not you like the model, be thankful that they followed through on our request for more distinct looking pets.

[ClawHammr]

more distinct does not mean they succeeded in making better looking pets- Read the reviews<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Xalmat wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>You forget, we <I>did</I>, as a community, <STRONG>ask for pets to <U>look better</U>,</STRONG> especially the purple monkey (which is not an Earthen being in the least). So whether or not you like the model, <STRONG>be thankful that they followed through on our request for more <U>distinct </U>looking pets.<BR></STRONG> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[Liol]

<div></div>I had the Magi master before the changes.  (found him for 50g on the broker a while ago. <span>:smileytongue:</span> ) I think the flaming gargoyle should be a higher rank pet than the old master look. Master pets SHOULD be better looking than an adept of the same spell level. ___ These pets are the best currently, but the game has room for future expansion beyond level 60.  So maybe they have to reserve the super duper looks for future pets... <div></div><p>Message Edited by Liol on <span class=date_text>12-31-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:05 AM</span>

[sonicshadow]

<DIV> <P></P> <HR> <P>StaticLX and Eyes_of_Truth both seem to fail to grasph the simple concepts I presented. However, judging from their more than aggressive response it is easy to tell they both were offended. Thus, logically, they both have innate frustration regarding the pets and this topic. Thus, sociologically and psychologically, they both have innate fear of me and/or the game models. (In Order and Conflic, 2004)</P> <P>This is rather interesting indeed! However, my opinions regarding the matter stand. It is fruitless for one to post simple how much they hate an appearance of the game.</P> <P>Additionally, it is in error to post such a topic if one expects no reply what so ever. Therefor, logic dictates that the OP was looking for similar opinions.</P> <P>However, those who feel only those with similar opinions should post regarding the topic have a power issue since they have a hard time differentiating themselves from others, requiring opthers to have the same opinions as themselves. (Human Psychology, 2002)</P> <P>So, to both StaticLX and Eyes_of_Truth, it is VERY easily seen by someone knowledgable, that your responses to me were more based through fear and power complexes rather than constructivity. That is alright though, after all, you are only human. <IMG height=16 src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif" width=16 border=0></P> <P></P> <HR> <P><U>If your not going to bother reading my whole post, then atleast read the underlined words:</U></P> <P>Children, children let's calm down here. I can see that the forum's classic flaming hasn't changed one bit. <U>DanaDark, Eyes_of_Truth and StaticLX have different opinions, deal with it</U>. Why are you <U>trying to figure out who these people are</U>, even though you're never going to meet them? <U>Are you trying to psychologically judge them for writing  english words on this topic?</U></P> <P><U>DanaDark do</U> you actually <U>think that you are a licensed psychologist?!</U> <U>You're not</U> and you are acting like you know everything on this topic also. If you <U>want to be professional, then actually meet with people before you go on saying crap</U>! You have to study behavioral patterns and psychologically test them to figure out how the feel when they this or that. <U>Everyone is different, remember that.</U></P> <P><U>And for the 3 of you;</U></P> <P>Flaming gets you nowhere, each of us represents our side of the argument.<U> Argue with facts and evidence, not with flaming and stupidity!!! </U></P> <P> </P></DIV>