Pathetic Mob Balancing

[StaticLex]

<DIV>I have my conjuror at 55, with an Adept 3 Myrmidon and Master 2 Volatile Haven.  I ran through DFC and got to Fyst.  41 group x 2, GREY MOB.  The thing destroyed my pet in a matter of seconds.  Then of course it came after me with multiple hits of 2 K+ damage.  The mob balancing in this game is one of the most absolutely [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] things I have ever seen in any game.  Only in this game can you have half the grey mobs, NO LOOT, NO EXP absolutely wreck you, even when you use above average "gear" for the job.</DIV>

[Daeloq]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>StaticLex wrote:</P> <P>41 group x 2</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Ummm, epics are a little different from heroics and solo mobs.  At 55, he's barely grey (he was green to me at 51) - would you expect to solo a low green epic (which would truly be out of balance), because that's more or less what you tried.</DIV>

[Loral]

<P>Emperor Fyst is a raid mob. He his a named. He is a X2. I am probably sure he is flagged Epic too. Really, what did you expect? To solo him? </P> <P>We are not in the pre-LU#13 Norrath anymore Dorothy. </P> <P>Hard things will remain hard, even if they are gray, especially named raid mobs. Try the Captain Ulssissaris in Cove of Decay, just for fun. Level 31. Gray or not, he still has 75k HP, a HP drain for 1200 and a power drain for about 300.</P>

[Xalmat]

I'm a 55 Conjuror with Adept III everything and I can't solo the level 31 epic x2 in Cove of Decay. Sounds about right to me.Just because it's grey does NOT mean you can, or should, be soloing it. This goes for <I>every</I> class, not just Conjuror.

[K'aldar]

i soloed fyst at 54, with master II def stance and adept III myrmidon... was a hard fight and i almost died a few times (ran outta power, pulled aggro once)   i have a few masters and most of my other spells adept III... i wouldnt' expect anything less to be able to do it because yes, it is an epic mob and named.   it might have even been bugged that i could solo it, i don't know. <div></div>

[Xalmat]

<blockquote><hr>K'aldar wrote:i have a few masters and most of my other spells adept III... i wouldnt' expect anything less to be able to do it because yes, it is an epic mob and named.<hr></blockquote>Bingo. The difference between having a few Masters, and no Masters, is the key difference.

[Loral]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> K'aldar wrote:<BR>i have a few masters and most of my other spells adept III...<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>Given that, I also assume you must have a couple of Fabled piece of gear, and that the rest is mostly Legendary crafted, with Prismatics, GEB and some Battlement of the Mind pieces? That would help also. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I concur with the conclusions, I highly doubt a Conjuror, short of the few top-geared very best ones, could manage to pull such a solo feat. Gratz Steev.</DIV>

[StaticLex]

<DIV>No, this is garbage.  Every mob turns grey after what, a 10 level difference?  I can solo ^^^ two levels below me, which is intended for one full group, but not a mob that is nearly 15 levels below me and intended for 2 groups.  And no, Fyst is not a raid mob, a raid mob is group x 4 IMO.  Not only that but I have yet to see a single group x 2 mob in this game that can't be killed by a single group of players of the same level.  The fact of the matter is that the mob is flagged TRIVIAL for my level and clearly it is not.  All I want to see with respect to this type of situation is consistency.  I don't care if they want to have a level 41 mob killing 60s with ease but if they do that it should be flagged as such with a green or blue consider.</DIV><p>Message Edited by StaticLex on <span class=date_text>11-25-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:37 AM</span>

[timbdot]

Wow... You're stupid.He's EPIC... That is your consider flag, [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]. Let me say this again. E P I C... Not normal, not heroic but EPIC.He's Epic x2, which means he's meant for two *full groups*. Learn to read or go play WoW.Sorry for the tone of the post, but I have no patients for people who can't help themselves.-timb

[Loral]

<P>The color of the /con is only an indication of the<U> level of the mob in relation to you</U>. Nothing more, nothing less.</P> <P>The <U>difficulty</U> of a mob is the combination of color, arrows, type (solo, heroic, epic) and group combo (X1,X2,X3,X4), and the fact that a mob is named or not. Side note, you can have Epic mobs that are X2 yes. </P> <P>Even then, what is considered hard to someone in handcrafted gear and spells? Is the same mob considered hard to someone decked in Fabled gear and Masters spells? Do you see how the /con system cannot, in any conceivable way, made custom to everyone? You have to know yourself what color/arrows/type/group combination you can handle.</P> <DIV>As I said in another post, whatever the level of the mob, or its con color to you, to kill it, you still have to go throu all his HP pool, while staying alive under the assault of all his specials. A feat to do so in the case of Emperor Fyst, or the skeleton captain, or the named Drakotas around the land, for example.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Some mobs flagged as X2 can be taken down by a single group, you just said it yourself. Yet, a group is more than the sum of it's members, due to group spells beiing shared, and optimal roles and abilities beiing used (tanks tank, mage nuke, healers heal, etc.). Someone that is solo must do everything by himself. See where I am going?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Xalmat]

By definition, a raid is any group of players that is more than one group of six. Fyst is an epic x2, a mob intended for a full two groups of 6, for a total of 12. Therefore, Fyst is a 2-group raid mob.

[Gorhauth]

<span><blockquote><hr>StaticLex wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <div> And no, Fyst is not a raid mob, a raid mob is group x 4 IMO.  Not only that but I have yet to see a single group x 2 mob in this game that can't be killed by a single group of players of the same level. </div><hr></blockquote>Your opinion is wrong <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  A raid is more than one group.  The reason a single group can take on x2 mobs is because the sum of the parts is greater than they are separately.  The group dynamic involves buffs, heals, DPS, and being able to mitigate/avoid the damage to a rate that it can be healed faster than it is delivered.  You can not do all that solo. There is a massive difference between a heroic mob and an epic mob.</span><div></div>

[Xalmat]

On top of that, simply flagging a mob Epic means that many spell effects no longer work. For Conjurors, our stuns only inflict damage and do not stun, our Shattered Ground line only inflicts damage and doesn't stifle, our roots don't work, they run faster than you...The list goes on.

[StaticLex]

**REMOVED DUE TO INAPPROPRIATE CONTENT**<p>Message Edited by Raijinn Thunderguard on <span class=date_text>11-28-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:55 AM</span>

[Xalmat]

You know, resorting to Ad Hominem <I>really</I> makes you look intelligent./sarcasm off.Next time, try arguing based on logic, like we are, and not based on how you feel about individual posters. You might be able to win a debate that way.

[Krevk-Fayda]

<P>Just started really playing my Conjuror and i'm having a great time with him. I havn't even taken the time yet to really buy and spells. I'm using a regular adept 1 lvl 24 tank pet and i find that i can solo easily in the upper gnoll tunnels. I went in there with a buddy who was lvl 28 and my pet was still able to tank the mobs 2-3 lvls above him with all the def buffs up. And i have [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] for gear still as well. Even though its a twink alt i havn't taken the time or money yet to twink him out. Probably won't until i get to t5 stuff at lvl 40.</P> <P>So far in my observation, anyone having trouble soloing with a conj hasn't taken the time to learn how to play the class. Spend a couple hours reading these boards, and you should be able to kick some serious glutomous maximus without any trouble at all.</P> <P>My .02 for what its worth</P>

[El Chupacabr]

There are plenty of raid mobs in game that are specifically meant for one group.  A good example is the mobs in Everfrost and Solusek eye that are x2.  Technically, they are raid mobs that two groups can attack and still get loot for but they're really meant for one group. The main example though is the advisor or whomever it is on the way to naggy.  That zone is single group only yet you have to fight an x2.  While technically a raid mob, you have to fight him with only one group due to zone design. Brood Mother in SS is an x2 but easily one groupable though Broog is an x2 and he's really meant for two groups (though I'm sure a single group could take him). I think they just put that x2 on single targets to keep you from using status effects (as Xal stated).  There are x2's meant for both raids and single groups, not all encounters are cut and dry as to what you need to bring to defeat it. <div></div>

[Gorhauth]

<div></div><div></div><span><blockquote><hr>StaticLex wrote:<div> </div><div>In fact, most of you people are clueless.  By your logic any grey epic mob in the game should always be unkillable by less than x the number of groups it says.  Which again is OBVIOUSLY not what Sony intends.  But you can't seem to get it through your 8 inch thick forehead. <hr></div></blockquote>There is a difference between solo and taking less groups than is recommended.  Reread what I said about groups being more than the sum of their parts.  One group is a TON more powerful than any solo person could ever be.  I guess you are too busy looking at our foreheads to consider that?<div></div><blockquote><div><hr><span>StaticLex wrote:</span>Whatever, I am through here.</div><hr></blockquote>I'm sure you'll be missed.</span><div></div><p>Message Edited by Gorhauth on <span class=date_text>11-26-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:48 AM</span>