AFK XPing - easy solution...

[wullailhuit]

I've been thinking about this problem and I REALLY want the 1 HP damage rule removed with the chance to afk XP removed as well. I've had an idea... Make the defend me button a push button and not a toggle... Let me explain... You're fighting a mob and an add attacks you....you click on the defend me button (which just clicks instead of toggles) , your pet then ignores the mobs(s) it's attacking and makes a bee-line for the  last mob to hit you when the button was pressed and attacks that one instead. Everyone keeps the option to get the pet to attack mobs that hit you, those using the defend me option to afk XP won't  be able to and we can finally get the 1 HP rule removed. flame / comment as you wish. <div></div>

[Daeloq]

<P>That would mean in a multi-mob encounter that you have to push "defend me" every time a different mob aggros on you.  Not to mention needing to remember to push defend me every time you engage in a fight.  And I don't know about you, but if I'm running around and reading guild chat, I might take a few hits before I realize and react to hit the button.  Against some heroics, you'll have a dead conjuror before you can send your pet in...</P> <P>I think the best solution is to remove the requirement completely until such time as it can be implemented in a manner that fits the intent.  The current solution and this proposal punish the many honest players for the actions of the few unscrupulous.</P>

[Magu]

The best solution was mentioned in another thread on this issue: have the "defend me" button turn off automatically after 1hr. That way if someone goes AFK, they come back to a dead character. <div></div>

[Xecr]

I don't see what the big deal is about having to do one point of damage.Can someone enlighten me on why it's a big deal?? One DD spell on your target and your golden.Xec

[Magu]

You're in a group - the mobs are vvv - one or more mobs can die before you do any damage at all, resulting in you getting less XP then the group. <div></div>

[Xecr]

<blockquote><hr>Magus` wrote:You're in a group - the mobs are vvv - one or more mobs can die before you do any damage at all, resulting in you getting less XP then the group. <div></div><hr></blockquote>If mobs are dieing that quick, then there shouldn't be any issues with leading off your first spell has an AoE.Problem solved.Xec

[Aquilist]

I'm my group, my pet plays MT or puller. If I pull a group of vvv or even a group mobs with a single-down healer, the ranger will usually 1 shot the healer on incoming at max range. Since the pet is on its agro list, the 1 pt requirement is in place so that mob will die before I can land a spell. Poof, no xp for me. <div></div>

[Daeloq]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Xecros wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Magus` wrote:<BR>You're in a group - the mobs are vvv - one or more mobs can die before you do any damage at all, resulting in you getting less XP then the group.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>If mobs are dieing that quick, then there shouldn't be any issues with leading off your first spell has an AoE.<BR><BR>Problem solved.<BR><BR>Xec<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>This sounds like a simple solution, but there are too many variables to be effective.  What if your spell resists?  What if they pull a group before you're ready?  Before your AoE refreshes?  While you're finishing off an add from another fight.  How about a single green that your ranger one-shots before your spell gets off... The list goes on.  There are any number of reasons a mob might die before you can damage it.  And even worse than no xp for that mob, if you're fighting multi-mob encounters, no bonus xp for the encounter.</P> <P>The fact of the matter is that no other class is penalized this way, it's unfair, and in practice it doesn't do what the dev's intended.  The unscrupulous can still afk xp, while the honest of us live with the "solution".</P> <P> </P> <P>edited - to clear up my meaning</P><p>Message Edited by Daeloq on <span class=date_text>10-15-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:01 AM</span>

[Danedori]

<P>What they really need to do is to take a closer look at our spells and abilities and give each one a flag of either passive or active. Damage shield is passive...just slap it on and it requires no input to function. Aqueous swarm is active. Even though it's a pet, you have to activate it for it to do anything. Even a pet heal would be considered active, since you are actively contributing to the fight. And if you're in a group, you should get full xp if anyone in your group does any damage (this may already be true, I've heard conflicting reports about it but haven't had a chance to test it myself).</P> <P>Danedori</P>

[Daish]

<P>either or, it may fix the problem of allowing someone to gain xp while afk...  but, in turn, it allows a situation where someone will get less xp in a group.</P> <P>SOE already has a lot to make up for, fixing group risk v. reward.  With this, they  just added, yet again, one more way that you can get screwed out of xp in a group, making grouping less appealing to those classes with pets.  </P> <P>As SOE keeps upping xp to make up for the horrible risk v. reward...   they'll have to fix this as well... and still have to come up with a way to block AFK/xp gain.</P> <P>Once again, another 'fix' that SOE needs to apply, yet another, patch to repair the original 'fix'..... and on it goes... sigh...  10 minutes of testing would have shown that either the pet changes were easily exploitable, or that the 'fix' could ruin group xp.</P>

[KelvereseJAysen]

<DIV>Why not just make it so that the "Defend me" "Defend yourself" options gives no experience without performing 1 pt of non damage-shield damage, but actively using the attack function does? I could live with that.<BR><BR>Actively telling my pet to attack and not getting any experience is just stupid.</DIV>

[Dayi]

<P>Hi guys</P> <P>I think the "FIX" needs to be removed, I'm a necro i got the same problem</P> <P>only my problem is worse, we r better at single target dmg then you guys your better at group stuff</P> <P>I sent my pet in and he one hit the mob before i could cast anything</P> <P>shadow strike and his next highiest attack(forget the name) and the mobs dead or near and by the time i'm done casting my pet finished it off</P> <P>i havent tested the group thing, but if your ina group you chain killing ^^^^ you getting a hit isnt a problem, my exp in these groups seems great, and same as my group mates if not a tad less being im higher lvl then them. </P> <P>this afk soloing lol is a joke you can set up a macro to auto attack a mob with a low lvl spell and your pet is still doing all the work.</P> <P> </P>