Is AFK xp-ing worth reporting?

[tooralo]

Hi all.  I don't like AFK xp generation at all, but I'm not sure if it's against the EULA.  In other words, should I be reporting AFKers?  I see them all the freaking time. So, just as people who two-box aren't breaking the rules, are AFK xp'ers? Thanks! <div></div>

[Magu]

AFK XP is a reportable offense. If you see someone clearly sitting there, /petition it <div></div>

[Anz]

<P>really is it? as long as person isnt using a macro or 3rd party program I cant see how they can monitor it.</P> <P>Really all you can do is hope that a mob owns them. hehehe</P>

[Magu]

Pretty simple. GM sends a tell - You've been sitting there for half an hour and not moving. Respond now or else. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[Loral]

<P>I am slowly thinking that, until they remove the 1pt of damage rule, AFK XP is not against the rules, as they implement rules that penalize legit players and leave alone AFK-XPer.</P> <P> </P> <P>Yes, this is sarcasm. Sadly, has a part of truth.</P>

[Vlawde_Mcde]

<P>I'm curious, how could you get XP if you are afk?</P>

[Blitzrain]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vlawde_Mcdeth wrote:<BR> <P>I'm curious, how could you get XP if you are afk?</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>I imagine you would throw a damage shield on yourself and park in an area of mobs you can easily solo.  They pop, aggro you (inflicting the needed 1pt damage from the damage shield), and your pet  then cleans up.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Blitzrain on <span class=date_text>10-12-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:50 AM</span>

[Vlawde_Mcde]

Dang, my pet can handle a few greens solo, but any more (or higher cons) and with no nuking from me, he'd be toast. Sounds inefficient and more trouble than it's worth <div></div>

[Janl]

How is it inefficient?  It's free experience requiring no input from you.  The only effort required is to find a safe location with a low-green aggro mob, and then walk away.<div></div>

[Loranthala]

<DIV>Still good if you want titles I suppose.   I'm already 60 but when I harvest I like to send my pet at mobs and let him kill them while I do my thing, so i'm not so annoyed with it since I don't need the xp now.</DIV>

[Zachatan]

<DIV>Ok for me... i have alot of people on my friend list... i get a tone of tells... i dont have time to Talk to people and grind... i like to pay attention to what i am puling and not worry about someone keeps msging me... so i turn on my AFK tag and state Currently Grinding exps... please wait a while and i will get back to you soon...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I had a GM msg me if i was tehre... i reported back to him right away... he said ok just maknig sure this was not a bot for i was reported... iexplained to him what i was doing and how i dontl ike to be bothered when i am seriously grinding... he said he understood and that i was not breaking nay rules... </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>People... if you see someone afk grinding... Feel free to report them.. some macro some not... the GM will msg the person and no response... and a continuie of exping... will usally convicne the GM that you are botting... on the other hand if your there and afk and dont want to be bothered and he msg you... as long as you answer back it shouldnt be a problem...  I on EQ 1 played multiable characters at at ime... i put up afk tags on them to msg the main person i was playing... GMs have no problem with this either... THERE is no problem with multi boxing... honestly some people dont have the time to find a group but have the money/computers to make there own group... so they do it that way... </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>ME i ran out of computers that where up to date and money HEHE</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Woot 200 post <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  </DIV> <P>Message Edited by Zachatan on <SPAN class=date_text>10-12-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:27 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Zachatan on <span class=date_text>10-12-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:28 AM</span>

[Magu]

Zach this has nothing to do with people XPing with /afk on, but people standing in a single place so that mobs pop and the pet kills <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[tooralo]

in other words, no one knows if it's against the rules, and it probably isn't since it doesn't involve 3rd party software or anything as game-breaking as duping.  you, I, and everyone else would LIKE it to be, but it's not? cheers! <div></div>

[Lerath_Litefo]

All they'd have to do to solve the problem is write into the software that if a toon has been parked killing mobs and hasn't moved a single step in x-amount of time, then the next spawn in that spot will be a level 100 non-loot-dropping mob which smites the player then despawns.  <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span><div></div>

[Loral]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> tooraloom wrote:<BR>in other words, no one knows if it's against the rules, and it probably isn't since it doesn't involve 3rd party software or anything as game-breaking as duping.  you, I, and everyone else would LIKE it to be, but it's not?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>My earlier sarcasm aside, yes it is technically against the rules, as a GM has the right to come, ask you if you are at the keyboard, and ban you if your lack of answer doesn't suit him.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As to what rule it breaks, I guess it falls somewhere in the PnP (Play Nice Policy).</DIV><p>Message Edited by Loralor on <span class=date_text>10-13-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:08 PM</span>

[Magele]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>Zachatan wrote:</P> <P> I on EQ 1 played multiable characters at at ime... i put up afk tags on them to msg the main person i was playing... GMs have no problem with this either... THERE is no problem with multi boxing... honestly some people dont have the time to find a group but have the money/computers to make there own group... so they do it that way...</P> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>ME i ran out of computers that where up to date and money HEHE</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P> <P>Multi-boxing should be against the rules IMO.  It gives you an unfair advantage from an out of game advantage.</P> <P>Sort of like asking....if I pay extra every month...can you let my tank heal? </P> <P>But of course $oE doesn't regard it as an exploit...as if they're going to say NO to your money...<BR></P>

[Xalmat]

Multiboxing, where you physically control all of your characters by hand is one thing. I used to two-box my Mage and Cleric in EQLive by hand. And believe you me, when you only have one computer, one monitor, one keyboard, one mouse to do it, and you're forced to Alt-Tab between windows, it's NOT easy to play both by hand.Multiboxing using macro programs is another thing. Using any sort of macro program is a bannable offense.If someone has the resources to pay for multiple accounts and they have the hardware to support it, let them multi-box, more power to them for pulling it off. Just as long as it's done by hand, I don't care.Back to the original topic, AFK xping is a bannable offense. Has been for years. If you see someone you can verify is AFK xping, petition them.

[Zachatan]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Xalmat wrote:<BR>Multiboxing, where you physically control all of your characters by hand is one thing. I used to two-box my Mage and Cleric in EQLive by hand. And believe you me, when you only have one computer, one monitor, one keyboard, one mouse to do it, and you're forced to Alt-Tab between windows, it's NOT easy to play both by hand.<BR><BR>Multiboxing using macro programs is another thing. Using any sort of macro program is a bannable offense.<BR><BR>If someone has the resources to pay for multiple accounts and they have the hardware to support it, let them multi-box, more power to them for pulling it off. Just as long as it's done by hand, I don't care.<BR><BR>Back to the original topic, AFK xping is a bannable offense. Has been for years. If you see someone you can verify is AFK xping, petition them.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Yea macroing is bannable but for thoughs that have the ability to multi box... by hand and not macro should not be punished for it... some people are just so anti social they dont want to deal with people...</P> <P>I have now 8 computers in my hosue as of today <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[Magele]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zachatan wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>Yea macroing is bannable but for thoughs that have the ability to multi box... by hand and not macro should not be punished for it... some people are just so anti social they dont want to deal with people...</BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I have now 8 computers in my hosue as of today <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Anti-social people playing online games...does this seem absurd to anyone else?  Just the kind of person any community would want in there midst.  Sorry to take this off topic...but I think two-boxing is as incorrigible as buying platinum online.  Out of game advantages is like typing in 'God Mode' codes in single players games...except this is online and everyone else wants to play fair.</DIV>

[Zachatan]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mageless wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zachatan wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>Yea macroing is bannable but for thoughs that have the ability to multi box... by hand and not macro should not be punished for it... some people are just so anti social they dont want to deal with people...</BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I have now 8 computers in my hosue as of today <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Anti-social people playing online games...does this seem absurd to anyone else?  Just the kind of person any community would want in there midst.  Sorry to take this off topic...but I think two-boxing is as incorrigible as buying platinum online.  Out of game advantages is like typing in 'God Mode' codes in single players games...except this is online and everyone else wants to play fair.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>LOL Absurb no... let me refrase what i say... a personal friend of mine playes a full group... Now... He doesnt like what he frazes as stupid people in groups :<img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />eople that dont know what they are doing:: and he has a hard time finding people he can trust to be online when he is to lvl himself and have fun... SOOOO who else can he trust but himself x6 there nothing cheating about it... he can do what he wants and control the majority... hot keys are a life saver... What teh difference between having a group of 5 people with you that grind and running 6 computers and having yoru own group... He is doing nothing wrong with that... and he can win item drops more often <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Magele]

I really didn't mean to kill this thread with off topic stuff...I just don't believe multi-boxing is fair.  <DIV>Ultimately...a multi-boxer will have at least one character that will have the best skill upgrades, the best weapons and armor...attained through multiple characters working towards one goal. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>THAT is why people multi-box...so they can have an ingame advantage over other players...so they can get what other people want but have to work together with other people to attain. </DIV> <DIV>Basically its God-Mode, no different from having a tank that can nuke and heal because in truth...it IS really one person holding the puppet strings.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Competition can sometimes be a healthy quality in people...but often times it is also taken way too seriously.  Regardless of how much disposable income you have...I don't see how anyone can get any sense of achievement or accomplishment from two-boxing their way to glory...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>and then there's the loss of comradery, community which is the quintessential core of online gaming....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>...or at least...should be...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Kthaara]

<DIV>"sniff.....snifff"  Smells like some people are jealous.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It is all about money.  If you want to pay to play 2 characters at once, then good for you.  It's your money.  Things in life just are not fair.  Some people can afford to fly to work every day in their private airplane.  The rest of us are stuck in traffic.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Some people do not like to group with strangers.  2-boxing makes sense then, especially if your main is not good at soloing.  Saying that since this is an online game and that you have to be social in order to play it is ridiculous.  Please.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mind your own business.  It is not your business about how other people spend their money.  Whether or not your values/ethics/beliefs allow you to 2-box is irrevelant.  Don't force your values on others.  How do 2-boxing players directly affect you?  I imagine that there are times when they pull that mob that you want, or are rude......but there are a lot of players out there like that.  Heh, there are entire guilds of people like that.  Don't get me started.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If this does not directly affect you, don't complain about it.  If a 2-boxer does something that you do not like, report them.  The world of Norrath is quite large.  There is enough loot for everyone.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Magele]

<P>Ok now I don't care about killing this thread :smileyvery-happy:</P> <P>Jealous! About a video game?  Thanks for that...haven't laughed that hard since I used to watch re runs of Threes Company.</P> <P>I have a feeling that once you complete puberty...jealousy in video games do not exist.  My best friend has a beautiful girl friend, and a sexier car than mine.  I'm jealous of him.</P> <P>This is an online game.  You play with people.  </P> <P>Ok once more for emphasis.  This is an online game.  You play with people.</P> <P>Don't like to group with strangers?  What kind of introvert sits at home all day in front of a network of computers and plays online games....with himself?  Just the thought of that sends shudders of despair down my spine...thank god for suicide hotlines. (Aren't you glad you decided to be sarcastic and insulting? I do it much better )</P> <P>Now...how this is this my business?  I'll explain it to you...and I'll try and type  r e a l  s l o w .</P> <P>Online games are sort of like a contest.  Games have rules.  Rules are to prevent unfair advantages.  Breaking rules is called cheating.  SoE doesn't consider it breaking the rules...because they get money from it. </P> <P>So anyone who wishes to participate in an online game...by themselves...in order to accumulate wealth via out of game advantages...I imagine has a rather intimate relationship with jealousy.  Pot calling kettle? </P> <P>And all so you can show off links of your precious gear and brag to your friends (do you even talk to strangers?) about your online accomplishments...</P> <P>Show me a multi-boxer who is not a braggart and you'll show me a liar.</P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by Mageless on <span class=date_text>10-20-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:45 PM</span>

[salerene]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mageless wrote:<BR> <P>Ok now I don't care about killing this thread :smileyvery-happy:</P> <P>Jealous! About a video game?  Thanks for that...haven't laughed that hard since I used to watch re runs of Threes Company.</P> <P>I have a feeling that once you complete puberty...jealousy in video games do not exist.  My best friend has a beautiful girl friend, and a sexier car than mine.  I'm jealous of him.</P> <P>This is an online game.  You play with people. </P> <P>Ok once more for emphasis.  This is an online game.  You play with people.</P> <P>Don't like to group with strangers?  What kind of introvert sits at home all day in front of a network of computers and plays online games....with himself?  Just the thought of that sends shudders of despair down my spine...thank god for suicide hotlines. (Aren't you glad you decided to be sarcastic and insulting? I do it much better )</P> <P>Now...how this is this my business?  I'll explain it to you...and I'll try and type  r e a l  s l o w .</P> <P>Online games are sort of like a contest.  Games have rules.  Rules are to prevent unfair advantages.  Breaking rules is called cheating.  SoE doesn't consider it breaking the rules...because they get money from it. </P> <P>So anyone who wishes to participate in an online game...by themselves...in order to accumulate wealth via out of game advantages...I imagine has a rather intimate relationship with jealousy.  Pot calling kettle? </P> <P>And all so you can show off links of your precious gear and brag to your friends (do you even talk to strangers?) about your online accomplishments...</P> <P>Show me a multi-boxer who is not a braggart and you'll show me a liar.</P> <P> </P> <P>Message Edited by Mageless on <SPAN class=date_text>10-20-2005</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>04:45 PM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Your funny.<BR></P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Thumatos]

<FONT size=5>YES  YES Yes  </FONT><FONT size=4>it is bannable, i read  this and since noone seemed to know answer i asked a gm.  They figure any way to get xp when your not at comp is an exploit.  and banneble for it</FONT>

[Sunrayn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mageless wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Anti-social people playing online games...does this seem absurd to anyone else?  Just the kind of person any community would want in there midst.  Sorry to take this off topic...but I think two-boxing is as incorrigible as buying platinum online.  Out of game advantages is like typing in 'God Mode' codes in single players games...except this is online and everyone else wants to play fair.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Here's yer sign.</DIV>

[DragonMaster2385]

<DIV>I could care less if someone is multiboxing.  More the power to them.  I have encountered several multiboxers in my day and they have all been nice and friendly and willing to group.  I really don't understand why people get all worked up about it.  They are trading one commodity for another and have to sacrifice more money just to do it.  I would never do this as I can't even imagine the crap I would get thrown at me by my fience.  If you think about it, it is really not unfair.  It would be like saying that people that spend 14hours a day should be limited because it is unfair that they don't have RL obligations to attend to.</DIV>

[MisterScoot]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mageless wrote:<BR> <P>Online games are sort of like a contest. <BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Not for me they aren't.  For me, ALL games are ENTERTAINMENT.  I don't consider EQ2 to be a zero-sum game, and I am not competing against you or anyone else.  However, I two-box BECAUSE too many people playing are just like you, trying to out-do everyone else, trying to be the first to complete a quest, trying to be the first one to reach max-level, etc.  I prefer to mosey along, completing quests at my own pace, and just generally having fun.  I'm always willing to group with someone to give them a hand in a quest, or help kill a mob, or even just grey out an area so they can get to where they are going.  I chat with friends and guildies while i'm running around, I just don't feel like grouping with em most of the time.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You're problem is that you just want to win, whereas I just want to play.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Magele]

<P>Nah you missed the bullseye on that one.  I'm a casual player...I don't raid and I could careless frankly about 'succeeding' in this game...if you define that by how many legendary gear and master spells you have. (very little ...if you were wondering)</P> <P>I was only saying  that it is unfair to use out of game advantages.  Of course time will always be a factor...but it's not as if you are unable to access some 'content' due to lack of time.  It isn't going anywhere.  You can always do it.  I think about it like a good book.  Some people enjoy reading...and those that do will read the whole book...they won't skip to the end because its the exciting part...because you miss so much of the back story and everything else that it cheapens the whole experience.  People read books at different paces...</P> <P> I may do it faster because I may play more...</P> <P>but two boxing isn't only faster it's also easier. And most 'multi-boxers' are the type of people to whom I originally responded to in this thread...elitist..."don't want to group with strangers" which is absolutley absurd...</P> <P>...and for those people who chose to ONLY multi-box and shun 'poorly geared' players ultimately miss out on the greatest attribute of the game...the reason 95% of the people are playing for...and that is comradery and companionship...</P> <P>playing together as a team may not be as rewarding as multi-boxing...but I believe there is a more sense of achievement as well as accomplishment... and ultimately...for me and many others anyway...more fun</P> <DIV>isn't that really the point of the game?</DIV>

[MisterScoot]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mageless wrote:<BR> <P>Nah you missed the bullseye on that one.  I'm a casual player...I don't raid and I could careless frankly about 'succeeding' in this game...if you define that by how many legendary gear and master spells you have. (very little ...if you were wondering)</P> <P>I was only saying  that it is unfair to use out of game advantages.  Of course time will always be a factor...but it's not as if you are unable to access some 'content' due to lack of time.  It isn't going anywhere.  You can always do it.  I think about it like a good book.  Some people enjoy reading...and those that do will read the whole book...they won't skip to the end because its the exciting part...because you miss so much of the back story and everything else that it cheapens the whole experience.  People read books at different paces...</P> <P> I may do it faster because I may play more...</P> <P>but two boxing isn't only faster it's also easier. And most 'multi-boxers' are the type of people to whom I originally responded to in this thread...elitist..."don't want to group with strangers" which is absolutley absurd...</P> <P>...and for those people who chose to ONLY multi-box and shun 'poorly geared' players ultimately miss out on the greatest attribute of the game...the reason 95% of the people are playing for...and that is comradery and companionship...</P> <P>playing together as a team may not be as rewarding as multi-boxing...but I believe there is a more sense of achievement as well as accomplishment... and ultimately...for me and many others anyway...more fun</P> <DIV>isn't that really the point of the game?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>It's pretty obvious that you are treating EQ2 as a zero-sum game.  I choose not to compete against other players, so I don't really care what "advantages" another player has.  Again, I play for ENTERTAINMENT value only - I play to have fun.  I don't particularly enjoy competing against other players, so I don't.  I choose not to group with people that want to win, and unfortunately that is the VAST majority of players (yourself included, whether or not you choose to admit it).</P> <P>I'm curious, though, if you trully don't care about "winning", then why does my supposed "advantage" bother you so?</P>

[Magele]

<DIV> This game doesn't have a time limit.  The content isn't going anywhere.  So your rushing through the game with multiboxing isn't a form of competition?  You're not trying to obtain what folks with more time can via the advantage of multiboxing?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> Play to win?  That's not exactly all that's important to me...but I would admit that losing isn't one of my daily goals.  Do I always win? Of course not.  Do I try to win?  Of course.  Is winning fun?  It's more fun than losing. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Are you suggesting that you lose very often?  You would have to be fairly incompetent to be a terrible player in this game.  IMO it isn't really all that difficult.  Having a bad attitude is worse for a player than being a complete [Removed for Content]. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> So if you are a more inept player than say me ( this is all hypothetical)...you believe that you should have the right to pay more monthly so you can advance your character easier, and faster than me?  All things being equal...I think that should warrant a handicapped server...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It's naive to believe that multiboxing won't influence my game.  You may have innocent intentions...but few do.  Like anything else multiboxing is abused.  I know one multiboxer on my server who discovered how to 'solo' (power solo) epic mobs...so he farms fabled spells, weapons, armor with his one man army. ( 6 boxer)  He also has at least 6 accounts = several high level artisans.  He monopolises entire tiers...he controls total markets.  Prices go up for everyone!  Thanks to multi-boxing...a player turned himself into a gangster!  I'm nervous even talking about him on this forum....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>He may even sell his extra platinum to IGE for all I know...as most successful multiboxers often do...which disrupts the economy and brings in players ignorant to their classes.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The game is designed for people to work together to accomplish mutually benefiting goals...but all players move through the game at different paces equal to the amount of "in game effort"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>...unless you cheat</DIV>

[MisterScoot]

<P></P> <P></P><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mageless wrote:<BR> <DIV> This game doesn't have a time limit.  The content isn't going anywhere.  So your rushing through the game with multiboxing isn't a form of competition?  You're not trying to obtain what folks with more time can via the advantage of multiboxing?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> Play to win?  That's not exactly all that's important to me...but I would admit that losing isn't one of my daily goals.  Do I always win? Of course not.  Do I try to win?  Of course.  Is winning fun?  It's more fun than losing. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Are you suggesting that you lose very often?  You would have to be fairly incompetent to be a terrible player in this game.  IMO it isn't really all that difficult.  Having a bad attitude is worse for a player than being a complete [Removed for Content]. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> So if you are a more inept player than say me ( this is all hypothetical)...you believe that you should have the right to pay more monthly so you can advance your character easier, and faster than me?  All things being equal...I think that should warrant a handicapped server...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It's naive to believe that multiboxing won't influence my game.  You may have innocent intentions...but few do.  Like anything else multiboxing is abused.  I know one multiboxer on my server who discovered how to 'solo' (power solo) epic mobs...so he farms fabled spells, weapons, armor with his one man army. ( 6 boxer)  He also has at least 6 accounts = several high level artisans.  He monopolises entire tiers...he controls total markets.  Prices go up for everyone!  Thanks to multi-boxing...a player turned himself into a gangster!  I'm nervous even talking about him on this forum....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>He may even sell his extra platinum to IGE for all I know...as most successful multiboxers often do...which disrupts the economy and brings in players ignorant to their classes.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The game is designed for people to work together to accomplish mutually benefiting goals...but all players move through the game at different paces equal to the amount of "in game effort"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>...unless you cheat</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Jeez.  I really do feel sorry for you.  You are so bound and determined to rant against multi-boxers that you can't even recognize someone that doesn't want to play that way.  I really like the way that you make [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]umptions about my motives, and then use those motives to prove your point.</P> <P>Let me see if I can put this in a way that even you can understand.  I am not playing to acquire items in the game (other than those items necessary to play effectively).  I am not out to advance as quickly as possible.  In short, you and I don't share the same goals in the game.  Unfortunately, the vast majority of the players share your goals and not mine.  Since the game is difficult to play with any single character, as no single class has all of the skills required, I play a second character to fill in the gaps (in this case, healing and buffs).  I [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ure you, if I could find another player that wants to play the way I do, and was on whenever I am, I wouldn't two-box.</P> <P>By the way, there will always be people that have advantages that you lack, whether in EQ2 or in real life.  You'll be a much happier person if you realize this and move on, rather than dwelling on what you are missing.</P> <P>Edit:  Holy moly.  That is one strict filter.  "as_sumption" and "as_sure" are expletives?</P><p>Message Edited by MisterScooter on <span class=date_text>10-26-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:22 PM</span>

[LordAnnoyoboy]

<p></p><p></p>ok i dunno if y'all ever got the answer to the orgioinal question or not, but im settling it once and for all =P<img src="http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/6531/proof27gf.png"> <p></p><p>Message Edited by LordAnnoyoboy on <span class="date_text">10-26-2005</span> <span class="time_text">05:31 PM </span></p> <p><span class="time_text"> </span></p> <p><span class="time_text"> </span></p> <p><span class="time_text">. </span></p><p>Message Edited by LordAnnoyoboy on <span class=date_text>10-26-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:31 PM</span>

[MisterScoot]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> LordAnnoyoboy wrote:<BR> <P></P> <P></P>ok i dunno if y'all ever got the answer to the orgioinal question or not, but im settling it once and for all =P<BR><IMG src="http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/6531/proof27gf.png"><BR> <P></P> <P>Message Edited by LordAnnoyoboy on <SPAN class=date_text>10-26-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>05:31 PM<BR></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN class=time_text><BR></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN class=time_text><BR></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN class=time_text>.<BR></SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by LordAnnoyoboy on <SPAN class=date_text>10-26-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>05:31 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I may be wrong, but the way I read that is it's NOT a violation as long as you ARE using a 3rd party program...  Either that's photoshopped, or the CSRs need to retake their English as a Second Language class. <P></P>

[tooralo]

yeah, that's sort of funny.  I guess I should dl a bunch of crap and go afk xp =P  use the screenshot for ev.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> just kidding. <p></p>

[LordAnnoyoboy]

<p></p>hehe, if you dun understand basically he is saying, it is not against the rules. not photoshopped =P <p></p><p>Message Edited by LordAnnoyoboy on <span class=date_text>10-27-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:07 PM</span>

[Janl]

Actually, what I'm sure the MEANT to say was that unless you ARE using a 3rd party program it's not against the rules.<div></div>

[Kthaara]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mageless wrote:<BR> <P>Nah you missed the bullseye on that one.  I'm a casual player...I don't raid and I could careless frankly about 'succeeding' in this game...if you define that by how many legendary gear and master spells you have. (very little ...if you were wondering)</P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>The what is the problem with a 2-boxer succeeding?</FONT></P> <P>I was only saying  that it is unfair to use out of game advantages.  Of course time will always be a factor...but it's not as if you are unable to access some 'content' due to lack of time.  It isn't going anywhere.  You can always do it.</P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>Sure, you can complete your armor quests solo.  You just have to wait until you are level 30 to do it.</FONT></P> <P>  I think about it like a good book.  Some people enjoy reading...and those that do will read the whole book...they won't skip to the end because its the exciting part...because you miss so much of the back story and everything else that it cheapens the whole experience.  People read books at different paces...</P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>So, taking your time and having to wait until the MOBS are grayed out in order to complete the quest is much better?  Please.</FONT></P> <P> I may do it faster because I may play more...</P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>Make up you mind.  Are you a casual player or do you play more?  If you have hours and hours to play then that is unfair to the players that do not have that kind of time.</FONT></P> <P>but two boxing isn't only faster it's also easier. And most 'multi-boxers' are the type of people to whom I originally responded to in this thread...elitist..."don't want to group with strangers" which is absolutley absurd...</P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>Nice assumption idiot.  I suppose you think that most black people love fried chicken and watermelon too?</FONT></P> <P>...and for those people who chose to ONLY multi-box and shun 'poorly geared' players ultimately miss out on the greatest attribute of the game...the reason 95% of the people are playing for...and that is comradery and companionship...</P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>No no no.....what YOU feel is the greatest attribute to this game.  Most likely people like you have driven players to 2-box. heh heh heh</FONT></P> <P>playing together as a team may not be as rewarding as multi-boxing...but I believe there is a more sense of achievement as well as accomplishment... and ultimately...for me and many others anyway...more fun</P> <DIV>isn't that really the point of the game?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <FONT color=#ffff00>More fun is the point.  Saying that everyone has to be on your team is stupid. </FONT></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>If I could afford it, I would 2-box.</P> <P><BR> </P> <DIV>K</DIV>

[Magele]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kthaara wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> <P>but two boxing isn't only faster it's also easier. And most 'multi-boxers' are the type of people to whom I originally responded to in this thread...elitist..."don't want to group with strangers" which is absolutley absurd...</P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>Nice assumption idiot.  I suppose you think that most black people love fried chicken and watermelon too?</FONT></P> <P><BR> </P></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>K</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>When you resort to personal attacks in a debate it indicates your lack of argument and exposes you as a fraud. :smileywink:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is just my opinion ...as you are welcome to yours.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm really not going to lose any sleep over it...but I do feel multi-boxing is an unfair out of game advantage.  You can say over and over that you don't do it for competition...but you really are just a product of your own ecenomy.  You want it now...not later...and you don't even want to work for it.  The All American Dream! :smileyvery-happy:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My biggest point is : fine, if you want to pay double the amount monthly to play an online game by yourself...feel absolutely free.  But the excuse that you do so ONLY because you are unable to access a majority of the game's content is laughable...as we both know thousands of players are astonishly able to do so without getting a 'tank that can heal'.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And through multiboxing you miss out on the geatest elements of the game in itself...which all of you multiboxer advocates blatantly have dodged in all of your rebuttals....companionship, comradery...achievement and accomplishment by working together with people.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[MisterScoot]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mageless wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kthaara wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> <P>but two boxing isn't only faster it's also easier. And most 'multi-boxers' are the type of people to whom I originally responded to in this thread...elitist..."don't want to group with strangers" which is absolutley absurd...</P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>Nice assumption idiot.  I suppose you think that most black people love fried chicken and watermelon too?</FONT></P> <P><BR> </P></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>K</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>When you resort to personal attacks in a debate it indicates your lack of argument and exposes you as a fraud. :smileywink:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is just my opinion ...as you are welcome to yours.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm really not going to lose any sleep over it...but I do feel multi-boxing is an unfair out of game advantage.  You can say over and over that you don't do it for competition...but you really are just a product of your own ecenomy.  You want it now...not later...and you don't even want to work for it.  The All American Dream! :smileyvery-happy:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My biggest point is : fine, if you want to pay double the amount monthly to play an online game by yourself...feel absolutely free.  But the excuse that you do so ONLY because you are unable to access a majority of the game's content is laughable...as we both know thousands of players are astonishly able to do so without getting a 'tank that can heal'.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And through multiboxing you miss out on the geatest elements of the game in itself...which all of you multiboxer advocates blatantly have dodged in all of your rebuttals....companionship, comradery...achievement and accomplishment by working together with people.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Your entire argument is based on generalized assumptions about all multi-boxers which shoehorn them into your narrow view of why you dislike them.  Saying all multi-boxers do ANYTHING is an incorrect assumption, and any arguments based on those assumptions are equally wrong.</P> <P> </P> <P>You choose to see EQ2 as a zero-sum contest, and your arguments bear that out.  I choose to view EQ2 as a diversion, as entertainment, as something fun to do when I have the time.  I certainly don't expect everyone to share my views.  You, however, appear to be unable to conceive of someone that doesn't play your way.</P> <P> </P> <P>I am not competing with you or anyone else.  Thus, any supposed "advantage" I have is meaningless.</P> <P> </P> <P>As for your question about companionship and comradery, I've already said that I am more than willing to group up with someone to achieve a specific goal - and I do all the time.  I simply choose not to do so all the time.</P>

[Magele]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MisterScooter wrote: <P><BR>  You, however, appear to be unable to conceive of someone that doesn't play your way.</P> <P> </P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>"My way" is a play style that 1. the game was designed for 2. how the substantial majority of people play.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>  Just because $oE will you let you throw money at them doesn't mean this type of thing doesn't hurt the game.  What company would say no to your green?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm not trying to be unreasonable here...but I feel if you are able to acquire ANYTHING (quest completions, gear, spell upgrades) in less time and with less effort than I can is an obvious advantage.  I realize that this game isn't a PVP...but it does have that element.  So you choose not to engage in it...what about the people that do?  Is it an unfair advantage then to have these type of advantages when there is direct competition?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And like I said before...although YOU may have innocent intentions...YOU the happy, friendly, sharing, caring multiboxer FINE but then you are a minority!  There are more people who abuse it then don't and if you disagree you are being naive.  Where do you think IGE gets their platinum they sell?  These people are most often rude and elitist and I've seen many of their kind.  The type of person...playing 3 of the toons in a full group...will kick out the newbie because he made a mistake and killed the group instead helping the guy out ( helping people in the game...is what I most enjoy).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I compare it to station exchange...which I feel ultimately is a tastless service.  Cheapens the entire experience of the game...so instead of a newbie examining a higher level player and seeing a Legendary sword which he would love to acquire...instead of asking "WOW how did you get that wonderful sword!" it's "hey nice weapon...so how much you pay for that?" knowing with one swipe of his Amex card he can own it too.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV>It just leaves a bitter taste in my mouth...buying your way through...sort of like steroids in baseball</DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So IMO multiboxers consist primarily of exploiters...elitist braggarts and then there's a few people like you.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just not the type of people I would like to <EM><U>play with</U></EM>.</DIV>

[wullailhuit]

I have no problem with people who want to multi-box to play the game (one of my fave authors (douglas adams) multi-boxes a hydra as he likes to call it in EQ2) , if they want to throw cash at SoE thats their business , I have no right to tell them how to/not to play the game (as long as they don't break EULA) as they have no right to tell me how I should play the game. People/companies who multi-box to sell plat in for RL cash are a different item for heating water of large and small swimming things...

[MisterScoot]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>Mageless wrote:</P> <P><BR> </P> <DIV>"My way" is a play style that 1. the game was designed for 2. how the substantial majority of people play.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Unsupported statement.  You may hang around people that share your views, but I haven't seen a single post in this thread supporting your arguments.  Just because YOU feel this way does not mean that a "substantial majority" do.  You'd be surprised at the number of people who have multiple accounts.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mageless wrote:<BR><BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And like I said before...although YOU may have innocent intentions...YOU the happy, friendly, sharing, caring multiboxer FINE but then you are a minority!  There are more people who abuse it then don't and if you disagree you are being naive.  Where do you think IGE gets their platinum they sell?  These people are most often rude and elitist and I've seen many of their kind.  The type of person...playing 3 of the toons in a full group...will kick out the newbie because he made a mistake and killed the group instead helping the guy out ( helping people in the game...is what I most enjoy).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>You've given one example of someone that "abuses" multi-boxing.  There have been 3 posters in this thread alone who are more like me.  Seems I'm in the majority.  I'm sorry if you've had a bad experience with a multi-boxer, but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.  Just because a lot of high-end uber guilds full of level 60 toons are rude, elitist, unwilling to help non-guildies, and have no patience for other players making mistakes does not mean that the guild system is intrinsically wrong - just that there are people like that in ANY large community.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mageless wrote:<BR><BR> <DIV>Just not the type of people I would like to <EM><U>play with</U></EM>.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Never asked you to.  You're probably not the kind of person I'd like to play with, either.</DIV>

[Magele]

<P>I never said that this was anything ever but my opinion.  I know many people multibox...I have no delusions at all to that.  Most of them are petty braggarts...despite the several mutlibox advocaters that replied in your behalf...I assure you they are the majority.</P> <P>So are you suggesting that a platinum farmer is going to read this forum and come to my defense? </P> <P>The fact that the game was designed around the premise of people working together to achieve goals is just a fact...has nothing to do with how I play or those I play with.  It happens to be the definition of online gaming. PVE...opposed to PVP.</P> <P>When you buy one account...you have the ability to start several characters.  You are restricted from using two of the characters simultaneously.   That way...a tank class REQUIRES the services of priest class...if he wants to get anything more substantial than soloing done.  The priest class also REQUIRES his services...as do the other classes providing a beautiful, almost symbiotic relationship that is absolutley integral to the online class system.</P> <P>This game also has content for all different types of play styles.  There is a HUGE amount of solo content as well as group content.  I solo quite a bit ( I have a swashbuckler and a conjurer ) because im a casual player and don't often have time to group for very long periods of time.  I feel that saying that you don't have enough time is a poor excuse.</P> <P>Whether you want to believe it or not...most people who have these advantages exploit them...the EULA does very little to stop them as long as they try not to be completely reckless.  And whether a newbie is turned down for a group invite or a zone is completely farmed of fableds ...its all bad.</P> <P>The disruptions to the economy...by the hands of the elitist multiboxer craftsman/epic farmers who have endless resources...IMO causes enough harm to the game and to the majority player base to warrant it not beng allowed even for those who, though unfortunately, have good intentions.</P> <P>No one should have that much power in an online game they play with other people.  Power is often abused.</P>

[MisterScoot]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mageless wrote:<BR> <P>I never said that this was anything ever but my opinion.  I know many people multibox...I have no delusions at all to that.  Most of them are petty braggarts...despite the several mutlibox advocaters that replied in your behalf...I assure you they are the majority.</P> <P>So are you suggesting that a platinum farmer is going to read this forum and come to my defense? </P> <P>The fact that the game was designed around the premise of people working together to achieve goals is just a fact...has nothing to do with how I play or those I play with.  It happens to be the definition of online gaming. PVE...opposed to PVP.</P> <P>When you buy one account...you have the ability to start several characters.  You are restricted from using two of the characters simultaneously.   That way...a tank class REQUIRES the services of priest class...if he wants to get anything more substantial than soloing done.  The priest class also REQUIRES his services...as do the other classes providing a beautiful, almost symbiotic relationship that is absolutley integral to the online class system.</P> <P>This game also has content for all different types of play styles.  There is a HUGE amount of solo content as well as group content.  I solo quite a bit ( I have a swashbuckler and a conjurer ) because im a casual player and don't often have time to group for very long periods of time.  I feel that saying that you don't have enough time is a poor excuse.</P> <P>Whether you want to believe it or not...most people who have these advantages exploit them...the EULA does very little to stop them as long as they try not to be completely reckless.  And whether a newbie is turned down for a group invite or a zone is completely farmed of fableds ...its all bad.</P> <P>The disruptions to the economy...by the hands of the elitist multiboxer craftsman/epic farmers who have endless resources...IMO causes enough harm to the game and to the majority player base to warrant it not beng allowed even for those who, though unfortunately, have good intentions.</P> <P>No one should have that much power in an online game they play with other people.  Power is often abused.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>You know, every argument you use against multi-boxers is true of many high-end characters and guilds as well.  This is not intrinsic to multi-boxers - it's a symptom of anti-social pinheads.  period.  While you're at it, why don't you rail against powerleveling, the shared bank, and the ability to transfer items between accounts that are more than "groupable" levels apart?  These all contribute quite a bit more to the "anti-social" activities you ascribe to multi-boxers.  While you're at it, get rid of the market-place, too (that'd drive the plat farmers away, for sure).</P> <P>Face it.  The way the game was designed, there will ALWAYS be multi-boxers, whether or not you recognize them (and I assure you, you probably wouldn't recognize my characters as multi-boxers, as I DON'T exhibit the antisocial tendencies you are looking for).  Unfortunately, there will always be "plat-farmer" personalities as well in any on-line economy - just as there are in RL.  I just don't let them bother me.  Unless they do something that causes you, specifically, a problem, then I suggest you not let them bother you as well (game AND real life).  And if they do cause you a problem, then take that up with them or with Sony (they DO have a Play Nice policy, and have been known to enforce it on occasion...)</P>

[Janl]

Guys, before the thread gets locked, can you just agree to disagree.  You aren't going to change the other's mind about this.  Just let it go.<div></div>

[Magele]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Janl wrote:<BR>Guys, before the thread gets locked, can you just agree to disagree.  You aren't going to change the other's mind about this.  Just let it go.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Well said.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think that's the closest I'm getting to someone defending me in this forum. :smileyvery-happy:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And you're right, of course.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>A confrontation between two zealots is an ugly thing.</DIV>

[Kthaara]

<DIV>True.  This thread is probably going to get locked soon.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Perhaps the fried chicken comment was a bit out of line, but I really don't see a problem with most 2-boxers.  I have never been directly affected while playing because of them.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Of course there is the argument that the economy is all messed up because of it, and I agree that the plat farmers have contributed to this.  The problem is that they are hard to catch and Sony doesn't really punish them when they are caught.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now, if you can come up with a way to 2-box AND get AFK XP, that would really heat up this thread! (I am sure someone has figured it out though)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Everyone knows that pick-up groups are pot luck.  Sometimes you get a good group and sometimes they are terrible.  In addition, if you are 2-boxing and in a group then you are not really contributing as much as you could - for example a tank/healer combo -  The tank can't taunt as much, the healer can't heal on the fly to other members.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>All of the 2-boxers that I know are primarily solo players.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So - like the poster above said - I will agree to disagree.  This thread had been derailed horribly.  I won't post here again.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>K</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Jeradim]

<P>Well, I 2-box as well.  Why?  I did it in EQ1 and it was easy enough to upgrade to all access accounts so I could do it in EQ2.</P> <P>I guess you could say I'm kind of antisocial.  That doesn't mean I'm a plat-farming jerk though, it just means I don't like PUG's.  Not because I'm more uber or anything either...I just don't like people.  I found a wonderful guild with very nice people -the kind I like to group with- and so that's the only time I do.</P> <P>I love grouping with my guild.  However, when there's no guild group to be had, Conjurer + Templar = good little mini group able to do <EM>most</EM> things a full group can. I pay twice as much to 2-box and it's about twice as hard as playing one character, so I think I have every right to.  That's part of why I do it, I enjoy the challenge.  I actually try to play both characters to their fullest, not just sit there and hit the heal key on the templar.  I do it in groups too and in PUG's they usually don't know I'm 2-boxing unless I tell them.</P> <P>It's fun.  I'm not blazing through content either.  I like to smell the roses.  That's why despite my lvl I'm still in T4 trying to finish all my quests (currently working on Feerrott).  I haven't even been to EF or LS yet (or Runnyeye or CT or DoF etc).  I like to experience each zone to the fullest.  Usually when I'm out I do a combination of questing, harvesting and killing.  Straight exp grinding bores me.  That's also why I 2-box.  Can't harvest that node that's calling your name when you're in a group and killing stuff constantly.  I don't like downtime, I don't want to wait for groups</P> <P>You'll notice I have lots of crafters.  Did I spend the time lvling them so I can monopolize the market?  No.  I did it so I could be self-suffient.  Coming into the game with nothing I can't go out and buy a bunch of hex dolls and wands, but if I loot a rare I can sure as heck make one.  In fact, I've just now started selling my wares on the market - T4 Hex dolls and wands etc.  Prior to that I didn't craft anything with the intent of selling it.  I missed out on all the money the crafters made when the game first started because I started a couple months after release so I figured it's time I made a little.</P> <P>Anyway...back OT a little...</P> <P>afk exp'ing is most certainly not cool and should be reported imo.  The thing that worries me is if someone reports an afk exp'er in error.  Sometimes I'll go afk in front of a crafting station or in a safe area of a zone where it's just a bunch of greys or no mobs at all.  Sometimes I put AFK on, sometimes I forget.  Either way I'm not at the computer....but also not doing anything with my chars, they're just standing there.  So if someone reported me as an afk exp'er and a GM sent me a tell I'd be hooped!  I'm sure they can tell though whether you've killed/crafted stuff so I'd come away clean in the end.  I would just hope there is no knee-jerk bannings of accounts.  What they <EM>really </EM>need to do is find a viable solution to afk exp'ing (read: not the 1 pt dmg thing).  I like the idea of the lvl 100 mob hehe.  If a person's toon hasn't moved a muscle in so many minutes, yet the pet has been killing mobs, then the lvl 100 mob spawns...or the account is automatically logged out...or the account is suspended until person contacts a CSR...whatever...it can't be that hard...</P>