Pulling mobs as a coercer, tips?

[TwistedFaith]

How do people tend to pull mobs with their coercer? I've really gotten into the class but one of my main problems is taking down mobs then getting adds along the way.I've done some very fun solo'ing so far (bonemire is my playground) but havent got a technique down for pulling mobs to me, without getting major aggro and dying.Body pulls can be very dangerous for me, as i'm only lvl 64.I have tried mezzing the mob, moving off somewhere safe and then canceling the mez so it comes to me, that is decent, are there any other ways?

[WasFycksir]

<P>ONLY level 64 and you don't know how to pull in an overland zone (not dungeon).  If it wasn't for your post count I would be calling E-Bay coercer on you.  I suppose that doesn't mean you didn't just buy the coercer though and have other legit toons.</P> <P>Hmmm...I need to decide whether to help or not, I'll get back to you.</P> <P>While you wait, group up, JUST ONCE EVEN, and watch the puller, it's not rocket science (on 99% of pulls).</P>

[TwistedFaith]

<blockquote><hr>WasFycksir wrote:<P>ONLY level 64 and you don't know how to pull in an overland zone (not dungeon).  If it wasn't for your post count I would be calling E-Bay coercer on you.  I suppose that doesn't mean you didn't just buy the coercer though and have other legit toons.</P><P>Hmmm...I need to decide whether to help or not, I'll get back to you.</P><P>While you wait, group up, JUST ONCE EVEN, and watch the puller, it's not rocket science (on 99% of pulls).</P><hr></blockquote>LOL wow, you know what dont bother answering.I have a 70 ranger (100 AA's), 70 Dirge and have been playing this game since release so please excuse my giggles at the ebay tag.Every class is different and has unique skills, I was wondering how experienced coercers pull mobs to them is all. I was hoping to learn maybe we have a concusive style ability for pulling or a pet trick like the conjurers have.

[Kardg]

<DIV>When pulling in Bonemire I don't care much usually. I'll send the candle/flame in and mez or Sonic Boom whatever comes back and pick them off one by one. At 64 most are orange so your still going to have a tough time with this tactic as you can't realiably hit when you need to. Daydream also makes a nice pulling tool. You should know what it can do from the other thread you started about it, and the original thread where you asked for AA information. If you move into a white/blue con mob area you can easily use any tactic you see fit but while in Bonemire just let the candle nuke it down and replace them as needed until you grab a few more levels.</DIV>

[Aranieq]

<P>I'm allways the puller for our group (SK, INQ,Warlock, Coercer +2 random buddies)...</P> <P>For pull, I use Long range single DoT for single or Green DoT/Reactive for group depending wich is up.  When I bring it back I run bout 5-10m past the tank (SK) as turning casting either Confoundment on group, Deep focus or Mindbend on single and sonic when I've pulled a doosey. Hit blink and run back out for more.  When something has gotten missed or oppsies use fear and get back to tank.</P> <P>I like to try and have more more than 8 in camp at all times and play how much can I bring before the tank cries "no mas"</P>

[TwistedFaith]

Thanks for the replies, all of them in my posts. I'm getting the hang of the class and well loving it actually, I just feel like I bring so much more to a group than my ranger eve did.I appreciate all the help.

[WasFycksir]

<P>So 204 adventuring levels, plus play time to get the 100 AA's on the ranger and more post 70 time on the dirge too I would assume and you still didn't know how to pull, sorry, but I honestly am laughing in real life.</P> <P>Here is my advice even though you said not to bother.</P> <P>1.  Never group or raid, I would not wish your skill level on any other player.  But I suppose you probably won't do much harm hitting auto-follow and auto-attack and then watching others do their job properly.</P> <P>2.  Try "Hello Kitty's Adventure Island", it would appear that's more your speed.</P> <P>3.  Seriously 204+ levels and you are asking this?  Are you not embarrassed?</P> <P>4.  Yes I am being a jerk /apologies to the rest of the board, but tell me you don't think this is odd.  It's like that lev 58 guy who didn't know what spells to use against a wizard in pvp.</P>

[Enil]

WasFycksir, stop trolling.  Some people come here asking newbies questions, others come here asking for advanced tactics.  Asking questions are not a bad thing, it only shows a willingness to learn more.If I'm pulling something hard, i often body pull, back off immediatly and at almost the same time send my pet to attack (I have pet attack on my hotbar).  About a second or 2 later I stop backing off and my pet has gained aggro at that time.  If you time this right the aggro mob shouldn't have hit you and you can start doing your thing. At level 60+ consider going to New Tunaria and learn how to master using a pet named mistmoore servant.  If you get skillful with that pet you can grind much faster than in bonemire.  Have fun <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[TwistedFaith]

<blockquote><hr>Enilno wrote:WasFycksir, stop trolling.  Some people come here asking newbies questions, others come here asking for advanced tactics.  Asking questions are not a bad thing, it only shows a willingness to learn more.If I'm pulling something hard, i often body pull, back off immediatly and at almost the same time send my pet to attack (I have pet attack on my hotbar).  About a second or 2 later I stop backing off and my pet has gained aggro at that time.  If you time this right the aggro mob shouldn't have hit you and you can start doing your thing. At level 60+ consider going to New Tunaria and learn how to master using a pet named mistmoore servant.  If you get skillful with that pet you can grind much faster than in bonemire.  Have fun <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div><hr></blockquote>LOL i've been to New Tunaria and played around with the Mistmoore Servant after reading up on it in the wiki, great fun indeed.Just to explain my pulling issue, I know how to body pull mobs, but i'm finding sometimes its not practical for me as well I go down quick!For example I was clearing to a named, but before the named was a bunch of heroic 3/4 lvls above me in groups of three. I couldnt simply do a standard pull as that got aggro, I also found body pulling in that situation more than often led to me getting killed in two hits.

[Melodar]

<DIV>Wow this post should be used to show what a troll is for the newbie question about it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyway in response:</DIV> <DIV>I do the body pull if mobs are tight in an area. Most of the time I send pet in and immediately recall it only negative to this is tight very social mobs but I rarely ever pull more than two with this and if you can't handle 1 add then your playing the wrong class anyway <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> . I NEVER pull with a dot or anything that causes damage as this tends to attract friends more often than not. Dispel magic can be used for this if there is some reason you can't body pull it but body pull is the best and safest for a large group of sociable mobs.</DIV>I seldom pull with a spell though the pet is my prefered method. Warning if you have a warlock pet they can at times open with an AE at which point I don't even try to run I just stand and die because all near the mob are running at me snickering. (I rarely fight less than yellow mobs) <P>Message Edited by Melodar on <SPAN class=date_text>01-31-2007</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>07:19 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Melodar on <span class=date_text>01-31-2007</span> <span class=time_text>07:20 AM</span>

[Aranieq]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> WasFycksir wrote:<BR> <P>So 204 adventuring levels, plus play time to get the 100 AA's on the ranger and more post 70 time on the dirge too I would assume and you still didn't know how to pull, sorry, but I honestly am laughing in real life.</P> <P>Here is my advice even though you said not to bother.</P> <P>1.  Never group or raid, I would not wish your skill level on any other player.  But I suppose you probably won't do much harm hitting auto-follow and auto-attack and then watching others do their job properly.</P> <P>2.  Try "Hello Kitty's Adventure Island", it would appear that's more your speed.</P> <P>3.  Seriously 204+ levels and you are asking this?  <STRONG><FONT color=#ffff00>Are YOU not embarrassed?</FONT></STRONG></P> <P>4.  <STRONG><FONT color=#ff3300>Yes <FONT color=#ff9900><U>I am being a jerk</U> </FONT>/apologies to the rest of the board</FONT></STRONG>, but tell me you don't think this is odd.  It's like that lev 58 guy who didn't know what spells to use against a wizard in pvp.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <HR> <P><STRONG><FONT color=#99ff00>Please go be rude elsewhere.</FONT></STRONG></P>

[WasFycksir]

<DIV> <P>Please go be naïve somewhere else.</P> <P> </P> <P>99% of my posts are constructive, and contain useful information and/or what I have experienced with my gear/AA's/spells or in game mechanics.  Many of my posts do contain venom or sarcasm directed toward SOE for it's apparent lack of focus or apathy on game issues though.</P> <P> </P> <P>It is understandable why some of you strike out at me for my trolling here.  You are genuinely nice people who want to help out a fellow coercer.  Something I have done many times myself, just search my posts and you will see that it's true.</P> <P> </P> <P>But I also call it like I see it, even if it's mean, which is what I did here and in the other post I mentioned about the lev 58 who didn't know what spells to use in PVP.</P> <P> </P> <P>I also don't buy plat, exploit bugs, kill steal, node jack, buy toons on E-Bay, steal rares when engaging in TS deals or diminish anyones in-game experience intentionally.  I dislike people that do those things, and believe that those engaging in that behaviour should not be helped, in any way.</P> <P> </P> <P>In the end it's just a stupid video game and someone buying a coercer is not going to end the world, but I am not going to make his day any better either.</P></DIV>

[Aranieq]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> WasFycksir wrote:<BR> <DIV> <P>Please go be naïve somewhere else.</P> <P> </P> <P>99% of my posts are constructive, and contain useful information and/or what I have experienced with my gear/AA's/spells or in game mechanics.  Many of my posts do contain venom or sarcasm directed toward SOE for it's apparent lack of focus or apathy on game issues though.</P> <P> </P> <P><STRONG><FONT color=#ffff00>It is understandable why some of you strike out at me for my trolling here. </FONT></STRONG> You are genuinely nice people who want to help out a fellow coercer.  Something I have done many times myself, just search my posts and you will see that it's true.</P> <P> </P> <P><STRONG><FONT color=#66ff00>But I also call it like I see it,</FONT></STRONG> even if it's mean, which is what I did here and in the other post I mentioned about the lev 58 who didn't know what spells to use in PVP.</P> <P> </P> <P>I also don't buy plat, exploit bugs, kill steal, node jack, buy toons on E-Bay, steal rares when engaging in TS deals or diminish anyones in-game experience intentionally.  I dislike people that do those things, and believe that those engaging in that behaviour should not be helped, in any way.</P> <P> </P> <P>In the end it's just a stupid video game and someone buying a coercer is not going to end the world, but I am not going to make his day any better either.</P></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>"Calling it like I see it..." is not a defense or verbal freepass its an excuse to lash.  Please do us a favor on <STRONG><FONT color=#ffff00>OUR</FONT></STRONG> forum and keep criticism contructive or make an effort to keep it to yourself as a courtesy. Thank you.</P> <P> </P>

[TwistedFaith]

<blockquote><hr>WasFycksir wrote:<DIV><P>In the end it's just a stupid video game and someone buying a coercer is not going to end the world, but I am not going to make his day any better either.</P></DIV><hr></blockquote>Look I dont want to argue with anyone here, its just not worth it.I dont know why you seem to have it in your head I bought my coercer. All I was doing was trying to ask for some advice from more experienced coercers.I'd be more than happy to send a PM giving my characters names so people can see them all on eq2players etc.

[AdiX__Styxx__]

<DIV>the socalled troll has indeed posted plenty of usefull info on the boards but thats not really the point is it! The question the op is asking is not to how to pull a mob no its how do we pull a mob! He knows how to pull mobs as he is a ranger im sure he has used his trickshot line plenty of times b4 or pulled wiht the dirge!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The HUGE difference is here that those toons wear chain and this toon wears CLOTH! meaning he will die really fast in a matter of seconds maybe even get one shotted heck in bonemir i sometimes get one shotted if i aint paying attention and im lvl 70!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyways to the OP:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The way i pull when killing solo mobs which are green/blue/white (blech WRITS) in bonemir i just have a corpse flame with hate buff and the dehate on me and on the candle also the melee dps buff on candle hey every tiny dps helps! and i just nuke whatever i come across and as soon as mobs hurt me the flame will nuke it and get agroe instantly sometimes i pull over 10 mobs b4 stopping for a sonic boom if they are even still alive with M1 domination on the corpse flame 8 k nukes ftw.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyways those are the easy ones now for the tricky ones i prefer to not pull at all i just root the mob i wanna kill debuff it and have my flame corpse guy nuke every 10 / 15 / 10 / 20 secs if this brings adds i mezz em or fear them or whatever is most appropriate at that time sometimes even stun em all with a sonic boom to give me the last few secs to finish the mob i rooted!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyways work on yer CC skills if ya are unable to pull without adds and just die if ya get them i really love the fear line its yer friend to mess with the mobs minds so use all of yer assortiment.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Oh and ya dont have to do it the way i do it just experiment a bit and test some things out see what works best for you my way might not be too good for a 64 coercer either but hey you will get there eventually wont ya?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Good luck to ya</DIV>

[TwistedFaith]

I've kinda noticed the fact i'm not wearing chain, its weird something I used to find easy to do on my ranger i'm finding very difficult with the coercer.However at lvl 64 on my ranger I wasnt able to solo a lvl 69^^^ heroic or the named spider in the bonemire like I did yesterday with my coercer lol.Single targets i'm good at, I can control the fight, multiple though I can struggle having to split focus, especially if the mob is a few levels above me.Anyway thanks for the help, I appreciate it, I may start playing around with the fear aoe we have, and I dinged 65 last night and got possession master 1 so I cant wait to play with that hehe.

[Blumfield]

<DIV>Pulling grouped heroics.  Have /pet attack & /pet back off hotkeyed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1) Select closest target in group.  /pet attack</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2) Immediately as pet appears in target's target window, /pet back off.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>3) Cast group mez and group stun, one after another, or only group mez if the probability of resist is low.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>4) Be ready to switch to target that resists and cast single target mez.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>5) Overwrite group mez with single target mez on the toughest mobs in the group.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>6) Stun, pet attack, chain stun, apply reactives when mob is at 1/2 health or lower.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>EZPZ</DIV>

[TheSpin]

<DIV>I know it'll most likely get me in trouble, but I think WasFycksir has a point.  (I'm not saying everything he said was necessary though)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I just don't understand how a coercer would get to level 64 and then finally need to ask this question.  I'm only 24 and playing my first ever mage class, but I've already learned quite a few things about how coercers need to pull differently than other classes by messing around in FG.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm not accusing anyone of anything.  I do understand that a lot of people grind in dungeosn with groups for most of their leveling up, so maybe this is the first time you've really tried to solo anything difficult, but I would think this is a lesson you'd want to learn well before you commit the time and effort needed to reach level 64.</DIV>

[TwistedFaith]

<blockquote><hr>TheSpin wrote:<DIV>I know it'll most likely get me in trouble, but I think WasFycksir has a point.  (I'm not saying everything he said was necessary though)</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>I just don't understand how a coercer would get to level 64 and then finally need to ask this question.  I'm only 24 and playing my first ever mage class, but I've already learned quite a few things about how coercers need to pull differently than other classes by messing around in FG.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>I'm not accusing anyone of anything.  I do understand that a lot of people grind in dungeosn with groups for most of their leveling up, so maybe this is the first time you've really tried to solo anything difficult, but I would think this is a lesson you'd want to learn well before you commit the time and effort needed to reach level 64.</DIV><hr></blockquote>Not really, to be honest the plan for the coerer was to be nothing more than a DPS buff bot and power bot for raids. I never attempted to solo or play around with the class much till 50/55. What changed my mind was that I could see how the game was heading with highend dungeons needing crowd control, so I decided to get going and learn the class.Quick update, i'm now 67, and have 62 AA's, maxxed subjication and my stuns/charm, i'm hoping i'll have enough points left to get coercive healing.Ohh and myself and a few friends went to Nizara for the first time last night, we have never had a coercer available to us and it was AWESOME fun. Didnt have much trouble with the mobs at all, which was surprising as they were orange, though my sub is 400 now. I'm looking forward to MMC in the next level, and hopefully by the time I hit 70, Unrest will be out, WOOT!As for that guys point, I know how to body pull mobs, what I was looking for was something with a bit more finesse, as body pulling group mobs surrounded by aggro, especially orange mobs is VERY risky.<p>Message Edited by valleyboy1 on <span class=date_text>02-04-2007</span> <span class=time_text>07:13 AM</span>

[TheSpin]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> valleyboy1 wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TheSpin wrote:<BR> <DIV>I know it'll most likely get me in trouble, but I think WasFycksir has a point.  (I'm not saying everything he said was necessary though)</DIV><BR> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <DIV>I just don't understand how a coercer would get to level 64 and then finally need to ask this question.  I'm only 24 and playing my first ever mage class, but I've already learned quite a few things about how coercers need to pull differently than other classes by messing around in FG.</DIV><BR> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <DIV>I'm not accusing anyone of anything.  I do understand that a lot of people grind in dungeosn with groups for most of their leveling up, so maybe this is the first time you've really tried to solo anything difficult, but I would think this is a lesson you'd want to learn well before you commit the time and effort needed to reach level 64.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>Not really, to be honest the plan for the coerer was to be nothing more than a DPS buff bot and power bot for raids. <BR><BR>I never attempted to solo or play around with the class much till 50/55. <BR><BR>What changed my mind was that I could see how the game was heading with highend dungeons needing crowd control, so I decided to get going and learn the class.<BR><BR>Quick update, i'm now 67, and have 62 AA's, maxxed subjication and my stuns/charm, i'm hoping i'll have enough points left to get coercive healing.<BR><BR>Ohh and myself and a few friends went to Nizara for the first time last night, we have never had a coercer available to us and it was AWESOME fun. Didnt have much trouble with the mobs at all, which was surprising as they were orange, though my sub is 400 now. <BR><BR>I'm looking forward to MMC in the next level, and hopefully by the time I hit 70, Unrest will be out, WOOT!<BR><BR>As for that guys point, I know how to body pull mobs, what I was looking for was something with a bit more finesse, as body pulling group mobs surrounded by aggro, especially orange mobs is VERY risky. <P>Message Edited by valleyboy1 on <SPAN class=date_text>02-04-2007</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>07:13 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Thanks for not seeing my post as an attack and replying constructively <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P> <P>That being said, I can see how there's a huge difference between me body pulling blue ^^ at level 24 and you fighting orange mobs.</P> <P>I'm also really enjoying coercer a lot, I can't imagine just using him for buffs, he's tons of fun to play.</P>