"Deep Focus" and "Harrowing Silence" spells are bugged

[Soldancer]

Both spells (and all previous versions) don't do any HP damage and should therefore not break mezz but they do.The Illusionists equivalent spells "Forsake Will" and "Drain Thought" do both not break mezz - that's an unfair disadvantage for coercers. Please fix it.

[Powerman100]

<DIV>No, they do not do damage but do have a power drain attached to them...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Which to my knowledge breaks mez.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Working as intended.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-Drazsat</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>70 Coercer </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Pins]

Damage to Health or Power breaks mez. It's not a bug, it's a game mechanic.

[Lleinen]

<DIV>Why is power drain still in the game?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Oh right thx PvP</DIV>

[zorros]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lleinen wrote:<BR> <DIV>Why is power drain still in the game?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Oh right thx PvP</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Your welcome:smileywink:</P> <P>45 coercer of naggy</P>

[Soldancer]

No, like I know the official stand is that power drain should not break mezz - all of the Illusionist only power draining spells do not break mezz.

[Korpo]

All power drain spells break mez, these are no exception.<div></div>

[Pins]

<blockquote><hr>Soldancer wrote:No, like I know the official stand is that power drain should not break mezz - all of the Illusionist only power draining spells do not break mezz.<hr></blockquote>No, like you're dumb, because my power draining spells break mez too.

[Korpo]

The confusion probably comes from the fact that the coercer versions drain over time, whereas the illy versions are one shot drains. Mez-stun-mez works just fine as an illy, it doesn't work as a coercer, unless you let the stun expire before mezing again.IIRC, doesn't the illy power drain/feed thing break mez? The coercer version is an INT debuff/power feed, and doesn't break mez.<div></div>

[zorros]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> korpo53 wrote:<BR>The confusion probably comes from the fact that the coercer versions drain over time, whereas the illy versions are one shot drains. Mez-stun-mez works just fine as an illy, it doesn't work as a coercer, unless you let the stun expire before mezing again.<BR><BR>IIRC, doesn't the illy power drain/feed thing break mez? The coercer version is an INT debuff/power feed, and doesn't break mez.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>It does break mez the int power feed.

[Soldancer]

Pinski wrote:"No, like you're dumb, because my power draining spells break mez too."No reason to be so unfriendly. Have a low-level Illu and have tested it - no mezz break. Because of this I thought its the same in the whole line.Also confirmed here:http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=25&message.id=1468&query.id=0#M1468Quote: "Overwhelming Silence does NOT appear to break mez"All in all it looks like that there is no clear rule if power draining breaks mezz or not.<p>Message Edited by Soldancer on <span class=date_text>01-28-2007</span> <span class=time_text>03:55 PM</span>

[Aranieq]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> zorros wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> korpo53 wrote:<BR>The confusion probably comes from the fact that the coercer versions drain over time, whereas the illy versions are one shot drains. Mez-stun-mez works just fine as an illy, it doesn't work as a coercer, unless you let the stun expire before mezing again.<BR><BR>IIRC, doesn't the illy power drain/feed thing break mez? <STRONG><FONT color=#ffff00>The coercer version is an INT debuff/power feed, and doesn't break mez.</FONT><BR></STRONG> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><STRONG><FONT color=#ff9900>It does break mez the int power feed.</FONT></STRONG><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><STRONG><FONT color=#ffff00>The coercer (gorging thoughts) does not break mez</FONT></STRONG>... unless you have forgotten you have proc gear on when u cast it =)</P> <P>All <STRONG>damage</STRONG> breaks mezz power or health damage is irrellivant if you want to simplify it.</P> <P>To my knowledge no debuff without a damage component breaks mezz or is intended to at least. Gorging thoughts is a debuff with a power feed on the + side it does not drain power. <BR></P>

[zorros]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Aranieq wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> zorros wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> korpo53 wrote:<BR>The confusion probably comes from the fact that the coercer versions drain over time, whereas the illy versions are one shot drains. Mez-stun-mez works just fine as an illy, it doesn't work as a coercer, unless you let the stun expire before mezing again.<BR><BR>IIRC, doesn't the illy power drain/feed thing break mez? <STRONG><FONT color=#ffff00>The coercer version is an INT debuff/power feed, and doesn't break mez.</FONT><BR></STRONG> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><STRONG><FONT color=#ff9900>It does break mez the int power feed.</FONT></STRONG><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><STRONG><FONT color=#ffff00>The coercer (gorging thoughts) does not break mez</FONT></STRONG>... unless you have forgotten you have proc gear on when u cast it =)</P> <P>All <STRONG>damage</STRONG> breaks mezz power or health damage is irrellivant if you want to simplify it.</P> <P>To my knowledge no debuff without a damage component breaks mezz or is intended to at least. Gorging thoughts is a debuff with a power feed on the + side it does not drain power. <BR></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Weird because i tried it tonight and no i didnt have a proc gear and it did break mez.</P> <P>Cant remember the name of the spell off hand but it was the 46 version and i just dinged 46 and thought i would try it out.</P>

[Korpo]

Dunno what happened in your situation, but the Thoughts line doesn't break mez (unless something got drasticly changed recently and I haven't noticed).<div></div>Maybe your mez just broke on its own? They do that on occasion, especially if they're lower ranks.

[Pins]

<blockquote><hr>Soldancer wrote:Pinski wrote:"No, like you're dumb, because my power draining spells break mez too."No reason to be so unfriendly. Have a low-level Illu and have tested it - no mezz break. Because of this I thought its the same in the whole line.Also confirmed here:http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=25&message.id=1468&query.id=0#M1468Quote: "Overwhelming Silence does NOT appear to break mez"All in all it looks like that there is no clear rule if power draining breaks mezz or not.<p>Message Edited by Soldancer on <span class=date_text>01-28-2007</span> <span class=time_text>03:55 PM</span><hr></blockquote> I took off all procing gear. I mez'd a mob. I cast my stun, and my stifle on them. Guess what, it broke mez. I cast my AE Stun(which btw is the same as the your AE Stun), and it doesn't break mez. End of story, power damage = mez break.

[TuxDave]

<DIV>When I first betrayed from Illusionist to Coercer, that was the first thing I noticed.  It's not bugged as it's working as intended.  But I do agree it sucks a ton.  I made a couple hiccups in my soloing when I needed to break off and mez and all my mezzes kept breaking.  I have no idea how to quickly cancel all the effects prior to mez besides being super fast and right-click cancel everything.</DIV>

[Korpo]

<div><blockquote><hr>TuxDave wrote:<div>I have no idea how to quickly cancel all the effects prior to mez besides being super fast and right-click cancel everything.</div><hr></blockquote>Use confoundment or sonic boom (neither have a drain over time) to give you a little bit of time between focus and mez. If it's still a problem, mindbend it and let it hit you (or your pet) once, then mez. If it's a non-caster mob, just root it and go about your business.</div>

[Chog]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> zorros wrote:<BR> <BR> <P><BR>Weird because i tried it tonight and no i didnt have a proc gear and it did break mez.</P> <P>Cant remember the name of the spell off hand but it was the 46 version and i just dinged 46 and thought i would try it out.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>The spell is a debuff and will not break mez unless the debuff triggered a damage proc.  BTW, some classes have spell proc buffs that can cause damage even if you do not have any damage proc gear worn; trebs and Inq as an example.

[Karamba2]

<P>They are not broken by any means, but yes, illusionst version of this spells is much better in regard for using them with mezz. You can remezz mob straight away any time after yo ucasted them, unlike coercer versions wich should expire before yo ucan reapply mezz. </P> <P>Thats just one of some diferences between chanter classes, class design...nothing you can do about it. Ofcourse removing power drain vs npc would benefit us in many ways, but thats another question.  </P>

[Cattastrophy]

(o.o)Ok ok ok... ANYTHING that effects Health pool -OR- Power pool (not debuffs on the size, the actual amount of life / power the mobs has) will break a mezz... period. Anything that ONLY effects stats (aka agi / int / heat / cold and so on) does NOT break mezz. Take off all your proc gear and test this out. This is why my Subjugation gear set has no procs at all. My DPS gear set has tons. Also one thing you want to look out for is that stupid [I cannot control my vocabulary] ring from OOB with the divine nuke / heal proc. If the mob can mezz / taunt / nuke you through mezz and this sucker goes off... well... that's all she wrote. It got me killed once, I learned my lesson. This also goes for HarmLink, I don't use this when soloing (why would you anyway) because of the reactive on it. Along with procs you can NOT use reactive items like this. (cept for the ones that JUST heal you, those are fine.)Questions?<div></div>