Amnesia vs Alzid Prime (EoF)

[Karamba2]

<DIV>After 2 Lab runs after eof i have to say that resist rate on amnesia M1 from Alzid is rudicolus. Its at least 50%. at 2nd run it resisted it 4 times in a row...and thats using that new "usefull" tashiana b4 amnesia every time... Can you please consider lovering his resist from some sky high values to something more real.</DIV>

[Bigoo]

<P>You dont need it anymore</P> <P>Lord Vyemm and Alzid Prime has been so weaked reciently that we pulled both and killed them by just 18 players about 1 week ago</P> <P>You could try to tank mez AP and kill LV as fast as can if you have 24 palyers</P><p>Message Edited by Bigoo on <span class=date_text>01-03-2007</span> <span class=time_text>10:45 PM</span>

[zormik]

<P>My amnesia never gets resisted on alzid though ...</P> <P>I have the wisdom line so maybe that helps...</P>

[Mausie]

The casting skill that Amnesia is based on is Ordination (and not Subjugation like it seems it should be).    Casting skill bonuses play a bigger part now in determining our resists than they did prior to EoF.  The wis line should not improve success of landing Amnesia since the wis line only improves Subjugation.I suggest a master of Amnesia,+ordination gear, and a skill buffing person (like a warlock) to improve your chances.  There is an adornment for neck that adds 10 ordination.<div></div>

[Roriondesexiest]

Myself or the other coercer in my raid group haven't noticed any real changes in his resist rate.  He would resist sometimes before EoF and still resists now.  Not saying you are wrong, just stating what we have seen. <div></div>

[badmn]

<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Verdana color=#3366ff>Only done Labs once since EOF, and I did get resisted that time on our first pull (we wiped cuz Alzid owned all the healers after i died, sigh) but was fine the second one. Its only the second time he's ever resisted me. Wish I had more data than that for ya. I haven't heard anything from the guilds I know that do Labs regularly about there being a noticible difference.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>

[Aranieq]

<P>ordination makes the diff... </P> <P>We had a debate amonst ourselves at one point if INT made difference as we tried it neked, I wasn't convinced it did myself...</P> <P>dust off the old animators cinch and skygazer cap for more ordination.</P>

[Korpo]

It's like a 0.44s cast time if you have the AGI line, and even faster if you spam a few group buffs on inc. Just keep spamming it when he gets in range, and even if he resists you'll probably get 2-3 more tries at it.<div></div>

[Dalema]

<FONT color=#ff99cc>theres better ways to pull and seperate them with out using amnesia</FONT>

[Roriondesexiest]

<P>Did labs Sat, coercer had no issues with amnesia.</P> <P>On a funny side note,  I was playing someones dirge instead of my coercer.  I have never seen vyemm from the front, I am always at the base of the stairs on the side mem-wiping him.  Never actually knew what he looked like, as many times as I have been in there.  I am dead, get rezz'd and move under his legs...</P>

[gracjan-s]

<blockquote><hr>Bigoo schrieb:<P>You dont need it anymore</P><P>Lord Vyemm and Alzid Prime has been so weaked reciently that we pulled both and killed them by just 18 players about 1 week ago</P><P>You could try to tank mez AP and kill LV as fast as can if you have 24 palyers</P><p>Message Edited by Bigoo on <span class=date_text>01-03-2007</span> <span class=time_text>10:45 PM</span><hr></blockquote>can someone confirm it? sounds good <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />something to amnesia: do you cast marred psyche and other debuffs to increase the chance? or are you immediately spam amnesia?

[Wikod]

<DIV>Hmm we have never used this method with mem wipe our MT tanks both at the same time </DIV>

[catweaver]

<P>Another method is pulling both mobs to the stairs where the leash-break point is located, have everyone on the floor below the stairs, MT grabs Vyemm and a brawler grabs Alzid and brings him up the steps until he breaks.  </P> <P> </P>

[Kardg]

<DIV>Last night's raid with master Amnesia and Ordination buffed by 50 he resisted four casts with our MA taunting so I can get in another try after the resist. Five tries in total it stuck. Gotta love the resist system tweaks.</DIV>

[Encantador]

If you meant Ordination then you made a mistake. It will do nothing to help Amnesia. Try buffing Subjagation instead.

[Aranieq]

Amnesia is ordination based not subjegation

[oyroy]

<blockquote><hr>Aranieq wrote:<div></div><p>ordination makes the diff...</p><p>We had a debate amonst ourselves at one point if INT made difference as we tried it neked, I wasn't convinced it did myself...</p><p>dust off the old animators cinch and skygazer cap for more ordination.</p><hr></blockquote>Is it Ravasect Mandible or something that buffs ordination by 7? Droppes in Den IIRC, and can help you out a bit. Symbol thingy.

[IllusiveThoughts]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Bigoo wrote:<BR> <P>You dont need it anymore</P> <P>Lord Vyemm and Alzid Prime has been so weaked reciently that we pulled both and killed them by just 18 players about 1 week ago</P> <P>You could try to tank mez AP and kill LV as fast as can if you have 24 palyers</P> <P>Message Edited by Bigoo on <SPAN class=date_text>01-03-2007</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:45 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>the two encounters together were made much weaker post eof than pre-eof, having raided the zone many times and always wiping on pulls that brought both mobs prior to eof, we had one bad pull where the mt tanked both mobs at the same time and got vyemm to about 70% before the mt went down to spike dmg.</P> <P>I think with a well geared tank and a good set of healers behind them its definately more doo-able post eof than it was pre-eof.</P> <P>Now dont take this the wrong way, I'm not saying splitting them is [Removed for Content] or anything like that, just saying that if you couldn't tank them both pre-eof it seems to me to be an easier feat post eof to do.  Its worth trying and who knows, then you dont have to worry about killing your coercer and / or raid on a resist.</P>

[Unwise]

<DIV>Can someone please tell me how Amnesia is used in this pull. Do you hit with it first, or does someone pull Vyemm then you hit Alzid with this spell? If it fails, does it generate the coercer agro?</DIV>

[Kardg]

<DIV>We do a pet pull on Vyemm while I stand a few feet back from the stairs below the Arena and hit Azlid as he comes in. Vyemm goes right to the tank and Alzid flies his butt back to the Arena. If it fails the Coercer will likely be two shotted by Alzid. Casting any hostile spell directly at a target resisted or otherwise generates agro. However have a fighter class come over and taunt Alzid while you try again if you get resisted. Get Master Amnesia and buff your Ordination skill to reduce resists.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Kardgar on <span class=date_text>01-17-2007</span> <span class=time_text>07:50 AM</span>

[Morthore]

<DIV>I stand up top and target Alzid Prime, we send in a conjy/necro pet to attack Alzid Prime, as sooon as I see the pet atack I cast Amnesia, Alzid Primes kills me while Vyemm goes for the conjy/necro, Alzid Prime then resets.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This has worked out great for us.  I will say that post EOF the resist rate has doubled on AP.</DIV>

[Mistletoes]

<P>Can anyone confirm whether there would be a problem if, on the pull, rather than casting amnesia immediately, if you instead cast mez on AP, and then had at least a couple of opportunities to do the amnesia? Or maybe you can lay down your resist debuffs, and then cast amnesia. It seems like it might work, but it could also get both mobs on you if the social aggro outweighed the pull aggro. Has anyone tried this before?</P>