Reliable Charm from Tinkering items?

[Tybr]

<DIV>Good afternoon all~</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I heard a report of PC's being able to charm both PC's (PvP servers) and NPC's using some (unknown to me) Tinkered item...worse the charm was "said" to regularly last almost 3 minutes without breaking.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Is this true? Has anyone else heard of this?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Man that would be totaly crazy for SoE to take a reliable charm from Coercers only to give it to everyone able to use the Tinkered item.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don't know if this is true so that's why I'm asking the "Charm experts."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Tybr]

<P>Just to add an additional caviat; </P> <P> </P> <P>I would consider the source of the above information very reliable, he has claimed to have witnessed a <STRONG><FONT color=#cc33ff>Ranger</FONT></STRONG> Charming PC's (PvP server) many times during their fights. </P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Korpo]

Why wouldn't you ask a tinkerer, or in a tradeskill forums?<div></div>

[whytakemine]

The only item I've seen has a 90% chance to charm and a 10% chance to taunt.  Not sure on the duration or recast, but it was only useable by tinkers I believe.<div></div>

[Gutmonger]

<DIV>The item is in game but has a level cap of 60 something. To boot it has a horrible recast.</DIV>

[ca]

and it only has what you charm attacking at adept 1 quality, seeing that you have to be a high level tinkerer, can only use it once in a great while, run the risk of taunting your opponent and end up with a weak pet I don't see the problem, plus they get a reliable 3 minutes? I can get a reliable 20 minutes.

[Lleinen]

<P>Ah, im a 350 tinkerer, ill go check it out, but I wouldnt get your panties in a wad about it<BR><BR>After all, tinkerers make :<BR><BR>Rez items<BR>FD Items<BR>Mindwipe items<BR>Run speed items<BR>Evac machines</P> <P>etc, its really a cool skill imo...though I never do ever want to see a loam again in my life...</P><p>Message Edited by Lleinen on <span class=date_text>01-01-2007</span> <span class=time_text>03:56 PM</span>

[Tybr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> cavv wrote:<BR> and it only has what you charm attacking at adept 1 quality, seeing that you have to be a high level tinkerer, can only use it once in a great while, run the risk of taunting your opponent and end up with a weak pet I don't see the problem, plus they get a reliable 3 minutes? I can get a reliable 20 minutes.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>The reason I ask is because I play on a PvP server.</P> <P> </P> <P>All other things being equal, If a player can take out the Main Tank/ Healer for 3 minutes that group is toast.</P> <P>/shrug.</P> <P> </P>

[Tybr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> korpo53 wrote:<BR>Why wouldn't you ask a tinkerer, or in a tradeskill forums?<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Because I find it lame that Coercers get a crappy pvp charm and any high level tinker can get a reliable one. </P> <P> </P> <P>I would also think any Coercer on a PvP server might have issue with this. </P> <P> </P> <P>/shrug.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Korpo]

<div><blockquote><hr>Tybr wrote:<div> </div> <div>I heard a report of PC's being able to charm both PC's (PvP servers) and NPC's using some (unknown to me) Tinkered item...worse the charm was "said" to regularly last almost 3 minutes without breaking.  </div> <div> </div> <div>Is this true? Has anyone else heard of this? </div><hr></blockquote>Again, I ask why did you not ask a tinkerer. A coercer has no better idea about how a tinkered charming item works than a guardian would. A tinkerer, who makes the items, has probably tried one out or sold one and got feedback, or whatever.</div>

[Tybr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> korpo53 wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tybr wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I heard a report of PC's being able to charm both PC's (PvP servers) and NPC's using some (unknown to me) Tinkered item...worse the charm was "said" to regularly last almost 3 minutes without breaking.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Is this true? Has anyone else heard of this? </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Again, I ask why did you not ask a tinkerer. A coercer has no better idea about how a tinkered charming item works than a guardian would. A tinkerer, who makes the items, has probably tried one out or sold one and got feedback, or whatever.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I hear you Kor. I neglected to mention that I did hear it from a tinkerer however I feel the need to verify all claims when it comes to charm...I mean honestly coercers are supposed to be able to charm players, however it is sadly useless in PvP.</P> <P> I was thinking honestly the Coercers would be well aware of the issue and have input as to if this was a mistake or as intended. <BR></P>