PVP Statigie

[Pasrac]

<DIV>Was wondering what spells are best to use against other casters classes for PVP.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have taken down a Warlock of the same level but was wondering what spells most use to PVP with... </DIV>

[WasFycksir]

<DIV>Level 58 and you don't know what spells to use yet?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sorry bud but IMO you are not worth helping.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>/em:  Why didn't ebay send the pdf of the coercer manual...lol.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Dalema]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> WasFycksir wrote:<BR> <DIV>Level 58 and you don't know what spells to use yet?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sorry bud but IMO you are not worth helping.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>/em:  Why didn't ebay send the pdf of the coercer manual...lol.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR><FONT color=#ff99cc>unnecasary</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ff99cc>to the op: when fighting a caster i would suggest harrowing silence(stifle), cataclysmic mind, spell scourge, once u land all these start using ur DD nukes (stroke) and let the caster kill himself, also debuff him with dispell magic</FONT></P>

[Tanatus]

<P>Lol wait till level 70 then everyone became immune to any type of magical attacks </P> <P>Best strat for PvP server </P> <P>a) delete coercer</P> <P>b) create swash </P>

[Brew01]

<P>Tanatus how can you still be having this problem? I'm wondering if you are even on a pvp server? lvl 70 is not as it once was it takes a lot more skill is all because by that time everyone knows how to play there character well.</P> <P>As for the OP here is a link to my old PvP post I havn't updated it in a long time but its still has valid tactics I use at 70</P> <P><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=27&message.id=11670&jump=true" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=27&message.id=11670&jump=true</A></P><p>Message Edited by Brew01 on <span class=date_text>11-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:32 AM</span>

[Dalema]

<FONT color=#ff99cc></FONT><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tanatus wrote:<BR> <P>Lol wait till level 70 then everyone became immune to any type of magical attacks </P> <P>Best strat for PvP server </P> <P>a) delete coercer</P> <P>b) create swash </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><FONT color=#ff99cc>i've definatly killed swashes on my coercer (lvl 68 coercer vs lvl 70 swash) and he jumped me, just gotta be on the ball and KNOW what you can do.  With our reactive dmgs we really arn't that weak, plus just get an uber pet be good to go</FONT><BR>

[Tanatus]

<P>lol ppl resistance been nerfed a bit aka players mitingate a little less damage from magic as it use to but give month or 2? everything will back to normal.... in KoS having 5K resistance across board was no uncommon for any more less raiding person - now you need probably built up 7.5-8K resistance ... big deal</P> <P>To be viable in PvP coercer need either  (better both of course) ... rogue/zerk/wizard type pet capable of killing opponent if not outright then no more then 2-3 blow (nek 3 chests come to mind .... 34K nuke with critical) OR ability to land mez relaible on opponent. If rogue know what he/she doing they (same extend to brawlers btw) they capable on killing any caster within single attack round</P>

[Brew01]

<DIV>So you still havn't answered the question Tanatus are you on a PVP server or not???</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You are so wrong it makes me laugh to read your posts. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>First pets like the Nek castle chest are in a INSTANCE zone and i really hope you relize you can't take a pet from one zone to another. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Second pets make killing in PVP easier but they are not required reading your post at least you figure that much out. Even before the EoF patch at lvl 65 I was killing lvl 70s you just have to be quick know what spells do what and stiffle/stun a lot. Since the EoF patch and now that I'm 70 I've found it easier to land my spells and kill some of the best played scouts / tanks that I remember running into before and not standing a chance. </DIV>

[Roriondesexiest]

<DIV>Don't play on a pvp server so forgive my ignorance but whenever I duel someone without decent mental resists I can trash them.  If they were Mental capped (under the old system) I couldn't hit any spells reliably enough to do much damage.  I though had the same thing with fighting a wizard, I got my cold and heat way up and he had a tough time hitting me.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I would guess on PvP you can't have any one stat stacked as if you stack mental the coercer won't hit you but the wizard or warlock will one shot you... with weak poison or elemental resists.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If that's the case I would fight them alot like I do when soloing, mez, debuff, cast all your reactives, drop sonic boom (stuns them again) and hit hard, when they wake up they will start casting and trigger your reactives...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In PvP do you normally get one one one, or group on group, or ganked by a group while you are solo?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by dalessit on <span class=date_text>11-28-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:22 AM</span>

[Jibber Mong]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Brew01 wrote:<BR> <DIV>So you still havn't answered the question Tanatus are you on a PVP server or not???</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You are so wrong it makes me laugh to read your posts. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>First pets like the Nek castle chest are in a INSTANCE zone and i really hope you relize you can't take a pet from one zone to another. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Second pets make killing in PVP easier but they are not required reading your post at least you figure that much out. Even before the EoF patch at lvl 65 I was killing lvl 70s you just have to be quick know what spells do what and stiffle/stun a lot. Since the EoF patch and now that I'm 70 I've found it easier to land my spells and kill some of the <U><STRONG>best played scouts / tanks</STRONG></U> that I remember running into before and not standing a chance. </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Sorry but a skilled scout or tank isn't going to fall into the melee/use power when our reactives are stacked up trap. Yes it works on noobs, but anyone with half a brain knows that most of a coercer's damage comes from their own actions. If you take reactive damage and pet damage out of the equation i'd like to see a coercer burn down a tank or even scout before our CC timers are blown...</P> <P>As to the resists, well i'm still in two minds over this. Before EoF subjuration based spells (mez, stun and so on) wouldn't stick for [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn], however our disruption based spells landed fine (auspex, mind and so on). Since EoF it seems the oppersite for me, mez lands fine but trying to get the reactives piled on is another story. Maybe some +disruption gear will fix this. </P> <P>I did some testing shortly after EoF was released and seeing M2 debuff resisted 8 or 9 times before it stuck was enough for me, if im looking for pvp outside of bonemire i'll play my bruiser.</P> <P>As to the OP i kinda agree with WasFycksir on this, by lvl 58 you should really know what your spells do :smileyindifferent:</P> <P> </P>

[ca]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jibber Mong wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Brew01 wrote:<BR> <DIV>So you still havn't answered the question Tanatus are you on a PVP server or not???</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You are so wrong it makes me laugh to read your posts. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>First pets like the Nek castle chest are in a INSTANCE zone and i really hope you relize you can't take a pet from one zone to another. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Second pets make killing in PVP easier but they are not required reading your post at least you figure that much out. Even before the EoF patch at lvl 65 I was killing lvl 70s you just have to be quick know what spells do what and stiffle/stun a lot. Since the EoF patch and now that I'm 70 I've found it easier to land my spells and kill some of the <U><STRONG>best played scouts / tanks</STRONG></U> that I remember running into before and not standing a chance. </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Sorry but a skilled scout or tank isn't going to fall into the melee/use power when our reactives are stacked up trap. Yes it works on noobs, but anyone with half a brain knows that most of a coercer's damage comes from their own actions. If you take reactive damage and pet damage out of the equation i'd like to see a coercer burn down a tank or even scout before our CC timers are blown...</P> <P>As to the resists, well i'm still in two minds over this. Before EoF subjuration based spells (mez, stun and so on) wouldn't stick for [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn], however our disruption based spells landed fine (auspex, mind and so on). Since EoF it seems the oppersite for me, mez lands fine but trying to get the reactives piled on is another story. Maybe some +disruption gear will fix this. </P> <P>I did some testing shortly after EoF was released and seeing M2 debuff resisted 8 or 9 times before it stuck was enough for me, if im looking for pvp outside of bonemire i'll play my bruiser.</P> <P>As to the OP i kinda agree with WasFycksir on this, by lvl 58 you should really know what your spells do :smileyindifferent:</P> <P> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>well I really don't see anyone using only auto attack for an entire fight, you really cant take pets and reactives out of the equation since those are pretty much class defining skills, my PvP coercer is no where near the level as my PvE coercer but the strategy is basically the same either way, mez, debuff, reactives (cause unless they can one shot with auto attack they will cast something) and keep rotating through skills, fun thing to do in groups is hit the mt with both reactives and feedback damage then charm any caster (yes very short duration but still worthwile) and have them attack the tank, more than once I have seen the tank accidentaly target their own guy and kill him while taking massive damage, this is of course assuming they dont take you out instantly.</P> <P>bottom line at 58 you should absolutely know what to do and if you don't then you need to look deep down and decide if this is the right class for you</P>

[Jibber Mong]

<P>Dunno maybe its the difference between the server's we play on... I've come across many tanks and scouts who will just happily stand there and wait for auspex to fade, then kill you in seconds shortly aftewards. If i met a coercer while playing my bruiser i would do the exact same thing, stop all melee and try to use ranged until auspex is gone then move in for the kill. Cataclysmic mind alone wont be enough while fighting a melee class so you are pretty dependant auspex damage.</P> <P>As the name suggests reactives will only react to what your oppent does, if your apponent is clued up enough not to trigger the big hitter (5 triggers of auspex for around 6k damage) its going to be hard to get that damage from elsewhere. Group play is a totally different story, but as far as solo pvp goes without the help of a corpse candle or other such pet which will make up for the missing damage from auspex a "well" played scout or tank will win everytime. Take auspex out of the equation and our dps versus a tank or scout is pretty poor (with the expection of having a decent pet).</P> <P> </P>

[ca]

I can see that, my point is that I NEVER let a reactive drop in a duel, that gives the option to only auto attack range the entire fight or accept the damage, great thing is when fighting a group both reactives will hit the tank since taunt is a spell, also fighting SK's is like a double damage situation since they will trigger almost every spell we have, this of course assumes they have not HTed you with their first attack.

[Jibber Mong]

<P>Yea group play is fine, too much going on for people to really notice whats been put on them, good fun sitting back, tabbing thru the targets and putting which ever reactive is most sutable for their class. Auspex on the tank and cm on the healer is a very funny combination :smileytongue:</P> <P>No doubt if i am fighting a scout/tank we do pretty much the same thing, mez, debuf, stack reactives, stilfe, dot, nuke, stun, boom etc. If i'm playing someone who know's about auspex and how quickly it can kill you they normally save the killing combo for when auspex fades and your waiting a few seconds for recast to stick. The biggest problem i've been having since EoF is getting the reactives to stick, even when the target is debuffed, pretty much the oppersite of before Eof where reactives would land no problem but getting mez to stick was the issue.</P> <P>When your talking about duels are you speaking of 1v1 on pvp servers, or duels on PvE? Unless it has changed recently they use different rule sets. I only had a mid 50's coercer on PvE but duels used to be awesome fun, dont recall ever loosing one, it just a shame that on PvP we have to endure the SoE resist lottery. Getting a resist at the wrong time can so easily loose the battle before its even begun. If my adp3's/masters would land more often i know for sure i wouldn't be playing the bruisers. Coercer's are just so much mroe fun to play when things work as intended.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Roriondesexiest]

Last time I dueled someone on PvE they stacked mental and I had a very difficult time landing anything at all... <div></div>

[ca]

<P>actually because of some account issues I just deleted my PvP coercer, mainly since the last hotfix many of my spelss in the T4 range where operating via PvP rules when fighting mobs (turtles getting stun immunities and charms lasting 36 seconds ect..) probably an issue on my end but support was lackluster so I got irrate and deleted, I will regret that later I am sure.</P> <P>Yeah I did notice a vast amount of resists when doing PvP and 1 on 1 fights were mostly over before they began since I would very frequently get ganked by a scout 5 levels or more above me and player or NPC I am not landing spells often on a deep OJ or red toon, the few where I fought someone yellow or lower though I had a fairly easy time of it as long as I stuck most of my spells, of course I am a pet heavy coercer, so I ALWAYS have a pet of some type around me, usually several meters away from my toon in the stay position so unsuspecting Q's think I am alone, fun times.</P> <P>Anyway most of my experience (winning at least) at 1 on 1 is duels which are great fun on PvE since you do have the different ruleset, yes it is vastly different from PvP but mostly only in duration and immunity timers, I found my only change in tactics was not pushing the two stuns back to back, other than that it all worked relatively the same, oh well I think my caster PvP days are over, goin back to my inquis or *gasp* assasin, yes an edgy and different class but what the heck I like playing on the fringe.</P>

[Pasrac]

Thank you all... Very good posts

[matinisback]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TuboST2 wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> WasFycksir wrote:<BR> <DIV>Level 58 and you don't know what spells to use yet?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sorry bud but IMO you are not worth helping.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>/em:  Why didn't ebay send the pdf of the coercer manual...lol.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR><FONT color=#ff99cc>unnecasary</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ff99cc>to the op: when fighting a caster i would suggest harrowing silence(stifle), cataclysmic mind, spell scourge, once u land all these start using ur DD nukes (stroke) and let the caster kill himself, also debuff him with dispell magic</FONT></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>it's true a lvl 65 corcer's can [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] pwn me

[Pasrac]

Well I have had a blast with PVP never was that good so I would just pass on duels... There is nothing like BEATING a tank in a duel their self asteem is crap after that LOL... Caster classes I have done very well with all but one NECRO class dam I have been owned everytime I have tried. They have just too many things they are able to pull out and use against you.... Anyhow thanks for all the great posts...