Master Mez,Master Aoe Mez, Master Charm as of 10/10/06 are nerfed.

[Petgroup]

<div></div><div></div><div></div>Master mez, resistability is 30% on live. Same thing with Dominate.On beta they are now 21%.JUST noticed Aoe Mez went from 9% harder to 3% Easier. This is crazy.So our mez is nerfed BUT with the new eof AA we can bump back up the resistability on Dominate. According to the Dominate AA, the resist rate effects the % chance to break on charm, so now things will break alot more.......This solidifies Illusionists as the better Mind control class, as they get to bump up there mez resist rate via AA's (which they should be complaining about, if there mez resist was nerfed to accomodate this).You can clearly tell the difference when mezzing now. Resists are up more than this 9% change. Apparently they did not get this right in the whole epic enchanter revamp, or with Dof, or with Kos, or with............<div></div><p>Message Edited by nikecmh42 on <span class=date_text>11-10-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:15 PM</span>

[gggun]

[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] that's total BS, time to complain on the main boards.<div></div>

[Mordion89]

<DIV>sigh... instead of having fresh new ideas, they nerfed something in order to create AAs that buff it to it's pre-nerfed state.</DIV>

[Andu]

I may be wrong but haven't a lot of spells been adjusted like this? Now that we can buff our casting skills over cap and it actually does something, then you regain the lost resistability by improving your subjugation. Not that I like it but at least it means all those cast buffs and bonuses on adornments/armour will actually mean something now. <div></div>

[Petgroup]

<div><blockquote><hr>Anduri wrote:I may be wrong but haven't a lot of spells been adjusted like this? Now that we can buff our casting skills over cap and it actually does something, then you regain the lost resistability by improving your subjugation. Not that I like it but at least it means all those cast buffs and bonuses on adornments/armour will actually mean something now. <div></div><hr></blockquote>Nerfing spells to boost them back up via EoF gear/aa's is Bogus. I stated this last month when they hacked all our mana spells and boosted them via aa's. That has changed but the %resists are all down. Mezzing in EoF is not like mezzing on live. I'm getting resisted on 1 of 3 casts. AoE mez is horribly worse.</div>

[StoneySilen]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Anduri wrote:<BR>I may be wrong but haven't a lot of spells been adjusted like this?<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Yup, I have seen this complaint on alot of class boards so we are not the only ones they nerfed in order to give us AA to bring it back up.

[gggun]

I gotta say that's about the lamest thing you could ever do... [Removed for Content] you and then make you pay $$$ to get ungimped.<div></div>

[Korpo]

All classes had their resist chance nerfed. Why? Because people complained that buffing dis/subj didn't do much to help your resist chance because nearly 100% of spells landed. That will no longer be the case, and you are welcome to buff it.<div></div>

[Bombodale]

<div><blockquote><hr>korpo53 wrote:All classes had their resist chance nerfed. Why? Because people complained that buffing dis/subj didn't do much to help your resist chance because nearly 100% of spells landed. That will no longer be the case, and you are welcome to buff it.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Well put. MMORGs are all about game balance. SOE is always willing to make the game more playable (eg no more shards, easier tradeskills), but our base characters have been getting slightly weaker relative to mobs. Otherwise the addition of AA's would make us too powerful... That's why every live update is perceived as a nerf... We become heroes when we play eq2,  but the gods are strong - so we are being manipulated <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[Venzule]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> nikecmh42 wrote:<BR> Master mez, resistability is 30% on live. Same thing with Dominate.<BR><BR>On beta they are now 21%.<BR><BR>JUST noticed Aoe Mez went from 9% harder to 3% Easier. This is crazy.<BR><BR>So our mez is nerfed BUT with the new eof AA we can bump back up the resistability on Dominate. According to the Dominate AA, the resist rate effects the % chance to break on charm, so now things will break alot more.......<BR><BR>This solidifies Illusionists as the better Mind control class, as they get to bump up there mez resist rate via AA's (which they should be complaining about, if there mez resist was nerfed to accomodate this).<BR><BR>You can clearly tell the difference when mezzing now. Resists are up more than this 9% change. <BR><BR>Apparently they did not get this right in the whole epic enchanter revamp, or with Dof, or with Kos, <FONT color=#ffff00>or with............</FONT><BR> <P>Message Edited by nikecmh42 on <SPAN class=date_text>11-10-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>06:15 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>The Combat Upgrade.</FONT>  </P> <P> </P> <P>A perpetual world means perpetual nerfs.</P> <P> </P> <P><BR>See my sig....</P> <P> </P> <P>This is only the beginning my friends.   People jump on me all the time for crying SOE nerfs and now you see....  Im not crazy..... well...  still crazy but not surprised.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P> <P>Edit:  Was the AOE Mez with +4% easier a Master I spell?   If so we might as well throw our AOE Mez in the garbage because it will be resists 90% of the time.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by Venzule on <span class=date_text>11-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:11 PM</span>

[Pins]

You do know that it's been like this since the beta server came up? All resistabilities got lowered across all classes. They choose a week ago to increase how much damage/buffing/etc. on the spellls/abilities back to what they are on live, however they failed to bring the increase of resistability, which needs to be changed back to what it is on live.It's just absolutely crappy that they'd drop resistability on spells and give some classes Achievements to increase them back to normal.

[Venzule]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Pinski wrote:<BR>You do know that it's been like this since the beta server came up? All resistabilities got lowered across all classes. They choose a week ago to increase how much damage/buffing/etc. on the spellls/abilities back to what they are on live, however they failed to bring the increase of resistability, which needs to be changed back to what it is on live.<BR><BR><FONT color=#ffff00>It's just absolutely crappy that they'd drop resistability on spells and give some classes Achievements to increase them back to normal.</FONT><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR><FONT color=#6666ff>As absolutely crappy as having to purchase an expansion to receive achievement points.</FONT></P> <P>Its just another way of forcing the people who dont have expansions to purchase them.</P> <P> </P> <P>Good for business bad for customer relations.</P> <P> </P> <P>If the overall resistances on Mobs has been lowered then its not such a big deal and will only effect PVP.   But if not its TOTAL BS.</P> <P> </P> <P>Combat Upgrade- + Combat Revamp- + Whatever they are calling this=  Nerfs for everyone.</P> <P> </P> <P>EQ2 is not doing so well as it is, [Removed for Content] off whatever client base they have is probably not such a good idea.   Blizzard releases and EQ style MMO that follow the same rule sets and play style and SOE can kiss the MMO business goodbye.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Petgroup]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Venzule wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <blockquote> <hr> nikecmh42 wrote: <div></div> <div></div> <div></div>Master mez, resistability is 30% on live. Same thing with Dominate.On beta they are now 21%.JUST noticed Aoe Mez went from 9% harder to 3% Easier. This is crazy.So our mez is nerfed BUT with the new eof AA we can bump back up the resistability on Dominate. According to the Dominate AA, the resist rate effects the % chance to break on charm, so now things will break alot more.......This solidifies Illusionists as the better Mind control class, as they get to bump up there mez resist rate via AA's (which they should be complaining about, if there mez resist was nerfed to accomodate this).You can clearly tell the difference when mezzing now. Resists are up more than this 9% change. Apparently they did not get this right in the whole epic enchanter revamp, or with Dof, or with Kos, <font color="#ffff00">or with............</font> <div></div> <p>Message Edited by nikecmh42 on <span class="date_text">11-10-2006</span> <span class="time_text">06:15 PM</span> </p><hr> </blockquote> <p><font color="#ffff00">The Combat Upgrade.</font>  </p> <p>A perpetual world means perpetual nerfs.</p> <p>See my sig....</p> <p>This is only the beginning my friends.   People jump on me all the time for crying SOE nerfs and now you see....  Im not crazy..... well...  still crazy but not surprised.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p> <p>Edit:  Was the AOE Mez with +4% easier a Master I spell?   If so we might as well throw our AOE Mez in the garbage because it will be resists 90% of the time.</p> <hr></blockquote>Master AoE Mez was an already laughable 9% harder on live (after they nerfed it in the enc epic revamp), its now 3% easier on Beta.So yes, its bad. Even on live the other day during 3 Princes, my AoE mez was resisted on heroic adds more than it landed. I mean honestly, A master 1 crowd control spell having 3% easier chance to be resisted... Makes perfect sense <span>:smileyindifferent:Regardless, Illusionists end up on top of the Mez department since they get an AA to boost there mez. Even if things get changed back to live, they still win. I don't disagree that someone should get an edge over another but Illusionists AA's in EoF are way better than ours to begin with.</span></div><p>Message Edited by nikecmh42 on <span class=date_text>11-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:59 PM</span>

[Venzule]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> nikecmh42 wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Venzule wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> nikecmh42 wrote:<BR> Master mez, resistability is 30% on live. Same thing with Dominate.<BR><BR>On beta they are now 21%.<BR><BR>JUST noticed Aoe Mez went from 9% harder to 3% Easier. This is crazy.<BR><BR>So our mez is nerfed BUT with the new eof AA we can bump back up the resistability on Dominate. According to the Dominate AA, the resist rate effects the % chance to break on charm, so now things will break alot more.......<BR><BR>This solidifies Illusionists as the better Mind control class, as they get to bump up there mez resist rate via AA's (which they should be complaining about, if there mez resist was nerfed to accomodate this).<BR><BR>You can clearly tell the difference when mezzing now. Resists are up more than this 9% change. <BR><BR>Apparently they did not get this right in the whole epic enchanter revamp, or with Dof, or with Kos, <FONT color=#ffff00>or with............</FONT><BR> <P>Message Edited by nikecmh42 on <SPAN class=date_text>11-10-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>06:15 PM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>The Combat Upgrade.</FONT>  </P> <P> </P> <P>A perpetual world means perpetual nerfs.</P> <P> </P> <P><BR>See my sig....</P> <P> </P> <P>This is only the beginning my friends.   People jump on me all the time for crying SOE nerfs and now you see....  Im not crazy..... well...  still crazy but not surprised.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P> <P>Edit:  Was the AOE Mez with +4% easier a Master I spell?   If so we might as well throw our AOE Mez in the garbage because it will be resists 90% of the time.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Master AoE Mez was an already laughable 9% harder on live (after they nerfed it in the enc epic revamp), its now 3% easier on Beta.<BR><BR>So yes, its bad. Even on live the other day during 3 Princes, my AoE mez was resisted on heroic adds more than it landed. <BR><BR>I mean honestly, A master 1 crowd control spell having 3% easier chance to be resisted... Makes perfect sense <SPAN>:smileyindifferent:<BR><BR>Regardless, Illusionists end up on top of the Mez department since they get an AA to boost there mez. Even if things get changed back to live, they still win. I don't disagree that someone should get an edge over another but Illusionists AA's in EoF are way better than ours to begin with.<BR></SPAN></DIV> <P>Message Edited by nikecmh42 on <SPAN class=date_text>11-11-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:59 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I dont even want to know what the Aprentice I of this spell is...  65% easier probably.   Adept I  35% easier,  Adept III  15% easier,  Master I  3% easier.   </P> <P> </P> <P>Pfff...  what an Fing Joke....  Might as well remove the spell line all together and give a faster cast time on single target mez, because I love AOE mezing now and trying to figure out what 2 of the 4 mobs I mezed resisted with this nerf it will resist so much so thats its a waste of the casting time.</P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by Venzule on <span class=date_text>11-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:38 PM</span>

[Petgroup]

<div></div>I posted this all on the beta boards.This will make live. Wait and see <span>:smileysad:</span><div></div>

[Verit]

Sadly this is how SOE is working with expansion.Nerfing badly all the game to give an illusion of progress with the new content. :/<div></div>

[FlamingDuck]

<P>That's why you cancel your subscriptions, people. SOE don't know what the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] they are doing and are going crazy with the balance thing.  They're so obessed with making each and every class equal and balanced in this game they've destroyed any excitement of progression in any of the classes. Remember the days when you use to get super excited with getting a new ability that would drastically change the way you played your class and made you more powerful? Yeah, EQ2 has none of that. Virtually each and every ability is just a little boost of power with little to no variation. It grows tiring very quickly. And their art department consists of one person, which reflects how the don't care about the aristic side of an MMORPG and why the armors in this game are the worst ever.  It's [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] important. I'm cancelling my EQ1 subscription and getting the hell out of here, I dunno why the hell I decided to go back it's just the same old crappy, timesink camps where you gotta wait hours and days to get a spawn. Sigh. </P><p>Message Edited by FlamingDuck on <span class=date_text>11-13-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:10 AM</span>

[MugnMo]

<P>One question for the hordes of people freaking out: has anyone actually logged into test and tried this somewhere like Nizara or appreciably difficult to see if it's really the end of the world?  </P> <P>Reason I ask is that that have made changes to the base resistability from -10% to -20% (and I don't know if that overall change indicates more or less resists).</P>

[Wikod]

<DIV>People on the beta boards have tested OJ mobs including Niz and are reporting it is unplayable numbers like 1 out of 10 landing etc. I can''t remember the exact numbers and Im lazy lol but resists are bad.... This goes for other classes as well mostly casters not just chanters in beta there are many complaints rom wizards etc showing the same type of numbers.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Resists are an issue for sure atm in beta</DIV>

[Lleinen]

<P>Take a group to mistmoore castle, have a blast &gt<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Worst resists I have EVER seen.</P>

[Meio]

<blockquote><hr>Pinski wrote:It's just absolutely crappy that they'd drop resistability on spells and give some classes Achievements to increase them back to normal.<hr></blockquote>It will hurt the lowbie toons much more. At 70 you 'just' can grind your AA points and have it back. At lower levels its not that easy to get AA points. And at lower levels you are probably more dependent on a working mez then on raids. This take away and give back only 'work' for toons at the level cap, all others will get hurt much more =(<div></div>

[Petgroup]

Played on Beta last night. 5 Coercer AA's were still bugged. Odds are they will STILL be bugged when EoF goes live today.Welcome to beta everyone.<div></div>

[Sydias]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Meiox wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Pinski wrote:<BR><BR>It's just absolutely crappy that they'd drop resistability on spells and give some classes Achievements to increase them back to normal.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>It will hurt the lowbie toons much more. At 70 you 'just' can grind your AA points and have it back. At lower levels its not that easy to get AA points. And at lower levels you are probably more dependent on a working mez then on raids.<BR><BR>This take away and give back only 'work' for toons at the level cap, all others will get hurt much more =(<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>This is very true.  And it hurts those of us who don't even want to buy this expansion even more.