coercer/conjurer duo,,will it work

[krierkrier]

<DIV>with expansion coming out plan on makin a fae,,and was wantin to 2box with my coercer..just wanted some idea if a conjurer would work...well that is....thinking with the con pets and corcers buffs and charm would work well but never played a conjurer so no idea how well there pet can tank...anyways any feedback would be great thanks alls</DIV>

[Aoi]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> krierkrier wrote:<BR> <DIV>with expansion coming out plan on makin a fae,,and was wantin to 2box with my coercer..just wanted some idea if a conjurer would work...well that is....thinking with the con pets and corcers buffs and charm would work well but never played a conjurer so no idea how well there pet can tank...anyways any feedback would be great thanks alls</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Man, what's with all the "what class should I 2 box with my Coercer" posts?</P> <P>Conj should be decent with a Coercer since they get very little CC and we can't really match their DPS w/o a good pet.</P> <P>Just remember you are playing two squishies, so you risk getting smacked down anytime your pets lose agro (but a quick stun here or there should help).</P> <P>Cyene<BR></P>

[gggun]

Imagine 6x boxing a Coercer. It would be a nightmare to get all the M1 charms but once you do that would be the only spell you'd ever have to cast. Charm, 6x nuke = DEAD<div></div>

[Life777form]

<DIV>Then imagine all 6 charms breaking at the same time...</DIV>

[Tanatus]

<DIV>Wierd choice.... for many reason </DIV> <DIV>I'd go with Warden - Coercer if you so desperate to have chars from different starting cites</DIV> <DIV>And btw you got all wrong</DIV> <DIV>Coercer = pets</DIV> <DIV>Conjuror = buffs</DIV>

[Melodar]

Sorry to correct you but Conjurer is the pet class they get Tellurians (tanks) Igneous (mages) and Aery (scouts) as pets. The coercer has to go out and charm a pet. This gives them a variety of pet options but they  are not a pet class having a charmed pet is an option they have. Conjurers are made to work with their pets and have buffs etc specifically for their pets. The coercer has nothing like that at all buffs sure but not pet only.<div></div>

[Kyriel]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tanatus wrote:<BR> <DIV>Wierd choice.... for many reason </DIV> <DIV>I'd go with Warden - Coercer if you so desperate to have chars from different starting cites</DIV> <DIV>And btw you got all wrong</DIV> <DIV>Coercer = pets</DIV> <DIV>Conjuror = buffs</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>*rolls eyes* You're backwards again. </P> <P> </P> <P>a conj and ceoercer will do fine together. use the tank pet and mez adds, conj will give some dps, keep ur stuns up on the mobs, its easy as pie</P>

[Oldlore]

It works fine.  You're really only limited by the strenth of the tank pet as higher level heroics will tend to smash the pet really fast, even with stuns/stifles, unless you mez/root and pull back to heal a bit.  Nevertheless for even con and lower it works well enough.<div></div>

[Kyriel]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Oldlore wrote:<BR>It works fine.  You're really only limited by the strenth of the tank pet as higher level heroics will tend to smash the pet really fast, even with stuns/stifles, unless you mez/root and pull back to heal a bit.  Nevertheless for even con and lower it works well enough.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>If you include sonic boom, You can time your stuns, to pretty much always have it stuned. "Chain-stun" if you will. However it depends on where you are, i'd never use sonic boom in a dungeon or if other mobs are around lol. </P> <P>If you use chronosiphoning, (or even purpetuality), you can get ur daze and stifle off so its like a mobile stun lol. </P>

[Alaeth]

You don't need Chronosiphoning/Perpetuality for that. Our stifle lasts significantly longer than our daze, so you just overlap Harrowing Silence so that it's active the last few seconds of the stun before it, then cast Ego Torrent so that it takes effect right when the stun wears off. Daze will still wear first, so you don't lose anything by doing this, and the end result is an 8-second stun (though the mob can still move, of course).

[Tanatus]

<P>As usual Zemfira shouting blanks lol....</P> <P>Not a single conjuror or necro (so to speak) pet can come even close to DPS output of coercers pet charmed with M1 spell specially if we are talking about next pet classes - brigands, berserks, wizards, warlocks (in this order)...</P> <P>While coercer pets generally speaking poor tanks but hey cojuror pet can tank under Plane Shift only - so point is mute - conjurers pet can't relaible tank heroic mobs let along named heroic...</P> <P>Conjuror can buff phisical mitingation .... including coercer pet - thats help, conjuror can be mana [Removed for Content] pumping shards to coercer (usefull as well on heavy mezing/rooting fight like Lord Septimus or Isharan (sp)))</P> <P>Imo if you desperately want to couple with coercer class summoner - go with necro. Necro can heal, group heal, snare, fear hell necro can charm in undead areas, necro can res and FD</P>

[Kyriel]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tanatus wrote:<BR> <P>As usual Zemfira shouting blanks lol....</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>LOL WHAT!?  Blanks? Did you read what YOU wrote??? Nice to shout on me as I was the 2nd person to disagree with you, not the first one.</P> <HR> Tanatus wrote: <DIV>Wierd choice.... for many reason</DIV> <DIV>I'd go with Warden - Coercer if you so desperate to have chars from different starting cites</DIV> <DIV>And btw you got all wrong</DIV> <DIV><U>Coercer = pets</U></DIV> <DIV><U>Conjuror = buffs</U></DIV> <P></P> <HR> <P>coercer is not <EM>THE</EM> pet class. we are A pet class. We dont have any buffs what so ever, other than dps and hate gain to provide to our pet. Conj has stances, different pets to summon, buffs for their pet.  Our pets get turned into smuck, equal to  a down arrow mob, hp wise. </P>

[Tanatus]

<P>Wrong again....</P> <P>Coercer IS the pet class due to sheer variety of pets while summoners limited by fighter, assasin and sorc pets. Pets HP aren't doing down to 1 arrow down mobs lol .. not even close. You can test it yourself you bother to charm Gython for example and see how many HP he have been charmed... but once again you never test anything just agrue with me basing your agruments on rumors you heared from someone who heared it from someone esle ... kinda sad</P>

[Blumfield]

<DIV>Best to ignore most of this thread, other than this post.  These guys just don't know.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I duo with a necro every day, and I played a conj to lvl 65 on PVE servers before starting my Coercer. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Conjurors get the best tank pets in the game.  I could solo pet tank ^^^s from lvl 50 to mid T7 (when I quit that server) with my conj.  No, tank pets aren't as good as an actual tank player, but they're the best you're going to get in a pet.  Necro tank pets are decent, but they're slightly less robust than their tellurian counterparts.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Additionally, conjurors get two stuns, a decent stifle, and a (rather underpowered) group snare.  Necros get only one stun, a better snare, heals, rez and FD.  The necro abilities are very useful in a number of situations, but if we're specifically talking about the superior class to duo with Coercer, the Conj will serve you better.  See below.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you combine the Conj stuns/stifles with the Coercer's stuns/stifles/dazes, the mob should get at most one or two swings in per fight--assuming you can coordinate it.  Necros can heal, and that's helpful--but I'd rather not ever need to heal, personally.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So, the short answer to your question is:  yes, it'll be a very good combo</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Schmutzen de Vox</DIV>

[Tanatus]

<P>Dude ... my advice would be level 1 coercer to lvl 70 and see what coercer can SOLO then think what class would enhance coercer abilities to do things. I can name only 2 place (none epic) where my coercer can't finish solo (Nek 3 and Nizara but in Nizara I can easy kill trash and first named).</P> <P>Its not your fault but you are looking on this duo from perspective of view summoner as main ... but in real world coercer far far better sololist then any summoner can even dream about</P>

[Vydian]

I almost wish they would nerf charm, then maybe Tanatus would go away.... THE pet class.....someday he might realize there is more to the game than DPS, but it's unlikely.Anyway, a healer would be a pretty good choice to duo with a coercer. Let a charmed pet tank, keep it healed and use stuns if you or the healer pulls agro. A conjy would add a lot of dps, but if things hit the fan and you need some heals, you're out of luck.<div></div>

[Roriondesexiest]

I do agree that with the right pet Coercer is THE pet class. That being said, I would think 2 boxing with a coercer would be a PITA because of breaking charm.  Would seem better to me to have a conj and necro than conj/necro and coercer, imagine conj tank pet with necro dps pet then send in all the swarm pets, and necro could heal conj pet.. But if you just want to play 1 class that can solo anything in the game 1 Box a coercer : ) <div></div>

[bluenadzisback]

<P>cools thanks for the info all..i will try a conjurer with my coercer...figure a conjurer would be good to add to raids when theres room or when theres none in game when we raid...but figure it would be a fun class to 2box.. just dread having to pay for master pet spells.. </P>

[Aoi]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tanatus wrote:<BR> <P>Wrong again....</P> <P>Coercer IS the pet class due to sheer variety of pets while summoners limited by fighter, assasin and sorc pets. Pets HP aren't doing down to 1 arrow down mobs lol .. not even close. You can test it yourself you bother to charm Gython for example and see how many HP he have been charmed... but once again you never test anything just agrue with me basing your agruments on rumors you heared from someone who heared it from someone esle ... kinda sad</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Tanatus, <STRONG>you</STRONG> are wrong on this one guy.</P> <P>If Coercer's are a pet class where are our pet stances?  How about pet-only buffs?  Pet-heal maybe?</P> <P>I've said it before, Charm is crowd control, plain and simple.</P> <P>If you wanna prove me wrong, then tell me exactly how much of a pet-class you are in Halls of Seeing or Deathtoll....</P> <P>Also, this has nothing to do with testing.  Among many othe reasons, a pet class would be able to have a pet in any zone...we cannot.</P> <P>You need to take a step back here and remember that people are posting on these forums to help other Coercers, not to constantly get into a [Removed for Content] match with you.  You are not the only one who contributes to this community, so learn some [Removed for Content] restraint for your overactive [Removed for Content].</P> <P>What's kinda sad is how people actually come here and defend you occasionally, only to have this crap thrown back in their face.  You sir are a grade A Prime Cut a55h0|e.</P> <P>If the forums had /ignore, you would be on MY list.</P> <P>EDIT:  LOL the forums DO have ignore...I never noticed....so don't bother responding, I won't see it.</P> <P>Cyene</P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Aoine on <span class=date_text>11-14-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:27 PM</span>

[Tanatus]

<P>Thats was a compliment ... and I kinda like that</P> <P>Anyway Coercer IS NOT crowed control class never been, never meant that way.... Hell whole EQ2 been based on concept that this game have NO PLACE for original EQ1 holy trinity (R) (tm) from the Vision... Coercer is rather damage mitingating class. And btw using your logic Cyene YOU are not CC class since you don't use mez during raid (well at least no sane coercer would even think about it)</P> <P>Try to grasp simple thing on raid coercer is hate manipulator and mana manipulator - thats primary. Seconday is DPS (rather gimpy but still better then monks or bruisers) and Damage mitingation (stuns, stifles, dazes, interupts ... not that last thing ever worked lol but at least in theory ...). Heck speaking about DPS in the optimum group coecer with offensive choice of AA definitly will sit in a same boat as wizards,berserkers, swashes, conjuror and brigands  loosing only to necros, warlocks and assasins - that is assuming coerer don't have a pet ... otherwise? coercer is top the food chain in DPS .... situational of course .... as it should be <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Back to pet issue... Outside of raid if you see coercer without pet  you can easy say that person don't know how play class or don't have a balls to play class properly. </P>