Situation for use Amnesia + Possession

[gracjan-s]

Still dont know, when I can use these spells as best choice, so I wanted to ask all. Here are my theories:<b>Possession<b>2 encounter, we re fighting one, the 2nd (a ^^^ white or yellow or orange) is attacking us, but we re not engaged to them (no PBAEs, no targeting). So I can possess the 2nd and fight with him vs. the 1. encounter=> very rare situation :/<b>Amnesia<b>what I ve heard, I can seperate a encounter, but I still dont know, what to do, and when to use it :/

[Knesh]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> gracjan-ski wrote:<BR>Still dont know, when I can use these spells as best choice, so I wanted to ask all. Here are my theories:<BR><BR><B>Possession<B><BR>2 encounter, we re fighting one, the 2nd (a ^^^ white or yellow or orange) is attacking us, but we re not engaged to them (no PBAEs, no targeting). So I can possess the 2nd and fight with him vs. the 1. encounter<BR>=> very rare situation :/<BR><BR><B>Amnesia<B><BR>what I ve heard, I can seperate a encounter, but I still dont know, what to do, and when to use it :/<BR></B></B></B></B> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>1) I have never ever used Possession its much easier and better to charm em.</P> <P>2) Amnesia is only really need for 1 fight. Lord Vyemm and Alzid Prime in Labs raid. Otherwise you can use it whenever you get an add in a group or something but amensia kills the coercer so not really a group benefit. We have used Amensia to ward off a pathing mob in DT once or twice just to avoid the raid from wiping but other than that in a group setting Amensia is hardly use.</P>

[Raidi Sovin'faile]

<P>Possesion is useful for moving mobs out of the way, as long as you don't aggro things while doing it.</P> <P> </P> <P>Amnesia is useful to break off encounters that add, but that costs you your life.<BR>On the other hand, it's good for when the tank dies and we need him to get aggro back asap. Or if an add aggro's and goes after someone badly because of a high damage hit or something.</P> <P>Basically, any time a mob is stuck on someone you don't want them to be stuck on... Stun, Amnesia, tank gets aggro back instantly. Don't even need the stun, but it helps if the tank is not able to get to it right away.</P> <P>I've used it many times out of Vyemm, it's just more of an emergency spell, another tool along all the other control spells we get.</P>

[Korpo]

I use Possession to take control of mobs and jump them off cliffs. Just make sure you cancel the buff before they die.<div></div>

[Tanatus]

<DIV>Possesion good way of dealing with epics encounter solo if you need/want kill adds 1 by 1 w/o endanger main raid force. I use it frequently. Key is - mob that you are possesing MUST have PBAE attack or methoid fail</DIV>

[gracjan-s]

<blockquote><hr>Raidi Sovin'faile schrieb:<div></div>On the other hand, it's good for when the tank dies and we need him to get aggro back asap. Or if an add aggro's and goes after someone badly because of a high damage hit or something.<p>Basically, any time a mob is stuck on someone you don't want them to be stuck on... Stun, Amnesia, tank gets aggro back instantly. Don't even need the stun, but it helps if the tank is not able to get to it right away.</p><hr></blockquote>good idea<blockquote><hr>Raidi Sovin'faile schrieb:<div></div><p>I've used it many times out of Vyemm, it's just more of an emergency spell, another tool along all the other control spells we get.</p><hr></blockquote>you mean alzid?@Tanatus: didnt understant your situation :/ and why pbae attack?

[Kiterra]

<DIV>Ya amnesia can be nice for suicide resetting a roamer on occasion, and for loose mobs. Possession I mostly just use to make things run off cliffs if theyre in my way. Faster than charm clearing sometimes /shrug.</DIV> <DIV>As for tanatus, It's nearly impossible to understand him alot of the time, Ive gotten used to it. Don't get me wrong, hes awesome, just impossible to understand.</DIV>

[mcavellero]

<DIV>On raids that deal with break off encounters like vym, they like to use a chain pulling method to break off the encounter.  I have not tried the suicide method yet but have heard that there are too many resists from amnesia to even bother with it(they have tried it with a coercer before). </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>* I have however used amnesia (followed by a stun) when I see A) the enemy is on a mage, scout or healer and B) the tank is up and running and taunting.  </DIV> <DIV>*I also use amnesia+stun after vym mem wipes.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for poss I use that only to poss a certain mobs and jump off islands in KoS lol.</DIV>

[oyroy]

Well, Amnesia is nice to save much of a raid from a wipe if you have a named going nuts. Takes the coercer and leaves the rest. Not an _awsome_ use, but handy as it cuts repair bills and use of repairkits <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Also, splitting Alzid from Vyemm, but thats already been mentioned.

[Rominian]

Tanatus is your Posession description different than all the rest of ours?? Or is mine perhaps the only one that says "does not effect Epic targets...."  Just wondering, cause some of the things you claim on these boards flat out dont work bro....

[Raidi Sovin'faile]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><FONT color=#ffff00></FONT> <HR> Raidi Sovin'faile schrieb:<BR> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>I've used it many times out of Vyemm, it's just more of an emergency spell, another tool along all the other control spells we get.</FONT></P><BR><FONT color=#ffff00></FONT> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><FONT color=#ffff00>you mean alzid?<BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV>No, I mean I've used it many times "outside of the Vyemm pull". What I'm saying is that it's useful in other places than just splitting important fights... it can be used in emergency aggro situations. Sometimes, I feel like I could have a faster recast on it, heh.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>Tanatus is your Posession description different than all the rest of ours?? Or is mine perhaps the only one that says "does not effect Epic targets...."  Just wondering, cause some of the things you claim on these boards flat out dont work bro.... </FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Yes, possession doesn't work on Epics. It does, however, work on heroics. Including heroics that are part of the Epic encounter. This how we also charm in raid x4 epic zones.. another not-so-impossible task.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Look at the actual tag on the specific mobs in the encounter... if it's just a heroic, then it can be charmed and possessed, regardless if the whole encounter is epic or not.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So the fights that have a lot of adds can be split by possessing one of the creatures that has an AoE, setting it off to hit the Epic guy, and then it'll go ape and kill all his adds for you.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I've personally witnessed this happen myself, so they flat out do work as far as I know. It has to be an encounter that includes heroic mobs tho.</DIV>

[Rominian]

Thanks for the clarification Saidi, now can you give me a specific example of this?  Zone, mob encounter etc?

[gracjan-s]

another possibility for amnesia is to pull heroic ^^^ mob for the tank, doing everything we do and then mem wipe, so the MT can get aggro easieras for possess the biggest problems are afaik: we cant do anything as coercer while in possessed mob and to see, if a mob is encountered or not. solutions?for the first i have onla casting possession on mob, switch to another mob, doing autoattack *cough* and put next spell in queufor second: look at HO starter. If it is off, then the mob isnt engaged and can be possessed.other ideas?

[Cattastrophy]

<div></div><div></div><div></div>woh woh woh....Amnesia will NOT work if you want to cast possession on something, I've tried this. Amnesia gives you, what's equal to, 1 point of combat hate. Just you, no one else. If this did work, after 2 mobs (not same encounter) were aggroed you could just Amnesia the one everyone's NOT fighting and possess. I've tried this DUO, where I was the other box as well... it doesn't work.Now... what does work is DayDream and Possession, but that's as far as I go with that one. =p My sugestion is duo / solo and test things out. Only way to find out if they DO work or they DON'T work.Oh and for the person that wrote "*I also use amnesia+stun after vym mem wipes." - That's imposible... Amnesia is a stun, 1.5 sec normal, and like 0.3 or something stupid on epics... which gives epics Immunity to stun for 18 seconds... please learn you spells or report the bug you found =p<div></div><p>Message Edited by Cattastrophy on <span class=date_text>12-31-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:27 PM</span>

[Raidi Sovin'faile]

<div><blockquote><hr>Cattastrophy wrote:<div></div><div></div><div></div>woh woh woh....Amnesia will NOT work if you want to cast possession on something, I've tried this. Amnesia gives you, what's equal to, 1 point of combat hate. Just you, no one else. If this did work, after 2 mobs (not same encounter) were aggroed you could just Amnesia the one everyone's NOT fighting and possess. I've tried this DUO, where I was the other box as well... it doesn't work.Now... what does work is DayDream and Possession, but that's as far as I go with that one. =p My sugestion is duo / solo and test things out. Only way to find out if they DO work or they DON'T work.Oh and for the person that wrote "*I also use amnesia+stun after vym mem wipes." - That's imposible... Amnesia is a stun, 1.5 sec normal, and like 0.3 or something stupid on epics... which gives epics Immunity to stun for 18 seconds... please learn you spells or report the bug you found =p<div></div><p>Message Edited by Cattastrophy on <span class="date_text">12-31-2006</span> <span class="time_text">12:27 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>So far you are the only one that has said anything about using Amnesia and Possession together. The title says "amnesia + possession" but if you read the OP's post, he's just talking about the two spells seperately... he just didn't know how/when to use them.Secondly, you can use Amnesia if vyemm memwipes and DPS didn't back off properly. Clean up on poor raid control.No, you can't use it every single time Vyemm memwipes (or maybe you can, isn't the memwipe like every 30s or so?) regardless, it's meant to eliminate any accidental Fusion spike hate after a memwipe, so the tanks can pick up aggro again right away. Rescue is still on a 5 minute recast at the quickest (Guardian AAs), so it'd be nice to be able to reclaim aggro with just a simple taunt.</div>

[Cattastrophy]

Yeah, sorry, read it wrong originally, but now atleast he knows that bit as well. lol"Secondly, you can use Amnesia if vyemm memwipes and DPS didn't back off properly. Clean up on poor raid control." - Yes I agree, but seriously, [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] that noise, let the DPS that don't know what they are doing die. Morons and people that don't pay attention on the FINAL BOSS don't have the right to live, reguardless of what or whom you are fighting.<div></div>

[GastonPhoebus]

<p>Please forgive me for dredging up a venerable post, but I am researching here, dang it!!</p><p>I have read this thread through and would appreciate a little clarity on the following:</p><p> 1) Amnesia- Am I to understand that in the Vyemm/Alzid pull I (n00b raid Coercer) can target Alzid, land Amnesia, have Alzid kill me and then he will wander off never to bother the main raid force on Vyemm?</p><p>(Follow up on Vyemm- I have only fought him once on my Ranger and died, probably because of the memwipe that I did not know about. If the raid is under him, what's the message in chat that indicates he is about to memwipe so I can 'back off' my dps and not 'deserve to die'?)</p><p>2) Possession- Is it true, then, that a Possessed heroic mob in an epic encounter can attack an epic boss with a pbae and this will cause the epic boss to kill ALL epic boss-mob-spawned adds? How do you get the Possessed mob to launch a pbae? I don't have the spell yet, btw.... Trying to get my brain around this Possession thing....</p><p> ; )</p><p>Thanks!</p>

[Raidi Sovin'faile]

Amnesia works exactly as you describe it in that encounter. If your raid force can't handle Alzid with Vyemm, or pull it another way, then it's a fairly good tactic. I remember one of those long "how do you do the Vyemm encounter" threads, and the Dev that posted in it basically said it's okay... "if people want to lead Alzid on a wild goose chase or make him forget, then that's fine" (not exact quote, but basically what they said). Vyemm does his memwipe at the same time as his big AoE... so if you notice half the raid take damage, back off the DPS (remember, escape will cancel casting without having to move or crouch, or for those that can cast through that). I'm not sure if Possession still works that way. Last time I went to Lyceum, I asked the raid if I could try it just to see what would happen. Didn't work... the encounter kept resetting itself over and over instantly. So either I could get it to work right/was bugged... or they changed a game mechanic with regards to NPCs fighting each other and breaking encounters, and effectively broke this use of Possession.

[Aioli]

<p>Until last patch Amnesia was the way to easy get rid of the Woushi adds...</p>

[TuxDave]

<cite>Korpo wrote:</cite><blockquote>I use Possession to take control of mobs and jump them off cliffs. Just make sure you cancel the buff before they die. <p></blockquote>  </p><p>Why's that?  It's not like your main character dies or anything.....</p>

[Lleinen]

<p>Only read OPs post...</p><p>Possession is totally fluff, fun spell.  It bugs zones like Vault of El`Arad on the 2nd floor (cant continue if u possess the assassins) Mobs killing mobs doesnt count for ring events...uhh, yah, I cant think of any convential use, mainly for soloing for fun...</p><p>Amnesia is basically a raid wipe saver, save some gear, bite the bullet and mind wipe it while standing next to it, die and reset. Thats about it...</p>

[Sydias]

<p>I have not gotten possession yet, but I can see lots of fun stuff to do with it.</p><p>However, I have used amnesia successfully in a regular group and use it often enough.  The situation is when I have an add mezzed.  As soon as it's that mob's turn to die, I will use amnesia if the target of it's agro is the healer.  I will use amnesia and the short stun attached to the skill will give the tank enough time to get a taunt in.</p>

[whytakemine]

<cite>GastonPhoebus wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Please forgive me for dredging up a venerable post, but I am researching here, dang it!!</p><p>I have read this thread through and would appreciate a little clarity on the following:</p><p> 1) Amnesia- Am I to understand that in the Vyemm/Alzid pull I (n00b raid Coercer) can target Alzid, land Amnesia, have Alzid kill me and then he will wander off never to bother the main raid force on Vyemm?</p><p>(Follow up on Vyemm- I have only fought him once on my Ranger and died, probably because of the memwipe that I did not know about. If the raid is under him, what's the message in chat that indicates he is about to memwipe so I can 'back off' my dps and not 'deserve to die'?)</p><p>2) Possession- Is it true, then, that a Possessed heroic mob in an epic encounter can attack an epic boss with a pbae and this will cause the epic boss to kill ALL epic boss-mob-spawned adds? How do you get the Possessed mob to launch a pbae? I don't have the spell yet, btw.... Trying to get my brain around this Possession thing....</p><p> ; )</p><p>Thanks!</p></blockquote><p>1.  Yes, but Amnesia uses ordination which most coercers can't buff that very high so you either want a troub or a warlock for their casting skills buff.  If you are worried about getting resisted, it wouldn't hurt to have an OT taunt Alzid once so if you get resisted he'll go after the tank instead of you.  That gives you time for Amnesia to refresh and you can cast it again.   Also, you probably don't want to be in the MT group because if someone throws up a group ward or reactive, he won't cleanly reset.</p><p>Vyemm's memwipe used to coincide with his gflux aoe, so it was really easy to know when to slow dps.  He doesn't seem to memwipe anymore, at least the last couple times in labs I didn't see his aggro bounce at all.</p><p>2.  This doesn't work anymore AFAIK.  When you get possession though, it will make more sense how it used to work.  When you possess a mob your hotbars contain their abilities.  You used to be able to just look for one w/ a blue background (true aoe) and use it to aggro the rest of the encounter on the mob you possessed.  I never used it in the way described, but apparently if you used it in an epic fight once the boss mob killed the mob you had possessed he went on to kill the rest of the heroics in the encounter.  I think people mostly used that in Lyceum on Gnillnaw and Gnorbl. </p>