Along with the Charms, what other spells MUST you Master?

[Nolomite]

<DIV>After finally scoring my M1 Dominate, it's time for me to worry about the other spells - which ones are 'spare no expense' important to have at M1?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I post this question as a followup to something I noticed yesterday: I was sorting my stash of 'spellbooks for the near future' when I noticed my A3 group mez was '7% Easier to Resist' (or thereabouts). I use this puppy constantly, of course, so I put the A3 up for sale and dropped a bunch of gold for the only M1 available on my server (at least it was the only one there during my brief panic).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Which other M1s are more or less required to be successful? I use group stun often enough to keep paying major coin for M1 there; the Despotic Mind extensions are fairly cheap and I use that often, so that one gets the upgrade too. I use Sybillant quite often, but have Haruspex at A3 - I'm on the fence regarding upgrading this one.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Since my twice-daily vigil for the charm has ended, what do I need to hunt down next?</DIV>

[Korpo]

I'd make having your mezes and root at M1 a priority. I'd also be sure to have your debuff vs. all magic and your power regens. Everything else as you find it.<div></div>

[Petgroup]

<div></div><div><blockquote><div></div>Definately Master 1 Enrapture and Astonishing Awe. After that get any non damage spells Master 1 first, like debuffs,buffs.</blockquote></div><p>Message Edited by nikecmh42 on <span class=date_text>09-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:00 AM</span>

[chily]

<P>Incitement can be master but ad3 does it i don't use it when i fight with pet<BR>Mezz single and encouter -> master<BR>Stun single and encouter -> master<BR>Auspex the melee feedback -> master (nice dps)<BR>Spell sourge spell cast feedback nice at master but not really need coz not all mobs cast spells all the time -> Ad3 does it<BR>Ego torment -> master nice daze from it<BR>Magic bebuff -> master<BR>Root -> ad3 does it when you have a good hate dec and hate inc<BR>Harmonious Link (hate dec) -> Master 23% and Ad3 19.7%<BR>Enraging Demeanor (hate inc) -> Master for 49% and Ad3 43%<BR>Cataclysmic Mind (% of power use will be hp dmg) -> Ad3 does it<BR>Impetus (dps buff only for autoattack) -> Ad3 but even Ad1 does it<BR>Signet of Enlightenment (Agi and Int buff) -> Master</P> <P>That should be a short list of the main spells</P>

[Alaeth]

<blockquote><hr>chily wrote:<div></div><p>Incitement can be master but ad3 does it i don't use it when i fight with petMezz single and encouter -> masterStun single and encouter -> masterAuspex the melee feedback -> master (nice dps)<b>Spell sourge spell cast feedback nice at master but not really need coz not all mobs cast spells all the time -> Ad3 does it</b>Ego torment -> master nice daze from itMagic bebuff -> masterRoot -> ad3 does it when you have a good hate dec and hate incHarmonious Link (hate dec) -> Master 23% and Ad3 19.7%Enraging Demeanor (hate inc) -> Master for 49% and Ad3 43%Cataclysmic Mind (% of power use will be hp dmg) -> Ad3 does itImpetus (dps buff only for autoattack) -> Ad3 but even Ad1 does itSignet of Enlightenment (Agi and Int buff) -> Master</p><p>That should be a short list of the main spells</p><hr></blockquote>This seems to be a common misconception, even among higher-level Coercers. Spell Scourge will proc on any spell <i>or CA</i> that a mob uses, not just on spells, making it a high-priority master to get if you want to raise your DPS. True, melee-type mobs tend not to use CAs as often as caster-type mobs use spells, but you should still be casting Scourge on them.Aside from that, I agree with everything else in the post, and would add Gorging Thoughts and Breakdown as high-priority masters.

[Outerspace]

I like Spell Scourge. Another comment about it is that when you use it, it applies it to the whole encounter not just one mob.T7 Mezzes and Stuns are very very common and are appropriately cheap to buy. It's always good to be confident your mez or stun wont be resisted.<div></div>

[Aoi]

If you are a raider, only 1 spell I know that can save 3/4 of the raid force...Amnesia.  Master it, die a lot, love doing it. Cyene <div></div>

[chily]

<DIV>I wrote nice at master, i didn't worte not worth to be master.</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Who said that i don't use spell sourge on the most mobs?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV></DIV> <DIV>Spell souge is not my number 1 wanted master spell, but nice when you get/have it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you have to choose between spell sourge master and enraging Demeanor master which one would you buy?</DIV> <DIV>i would get demeanor tbh</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you stifle a mob auspex still will proc and spell source not, or not?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV><STRONG>All spells at master, but that wasn't the question. :smileyvery-happy:</STRONG></DIV></DIV>

[Tanatus]

<P>Adept 3 amnesia work as good as master ..... plus there is only 1 place and only 1 fight to use it lol - Labs/Viemm - speaking that you need master amnesia it same like speaking that you need master possession for LOA lol - same story single place single fight</P> <P>Basically per say you want all your spells as master but priority would be </P> <P>Charm, Root, AOE mez (since resist factor been badly nerfed on this one), all stuns, single mez</P> <P>As a second round of updates my advice would be - Reactives, Dots, Nukes</P> <P>Lastly buffs</P> <P>But stricktly from personal poit of view - most of coercer masters are common rare that you should buy at will as you see em:</P> <P>Domination, Ruinous Hesitation, Mind Bend, Gorging Toughts, Amnesia (more for collector purpose seriously)</P> <P> </P>

[Korpo]

<div><blockquote><hr>Tanatus wrote:<div></div> <p>Adept 3 amnesia work as good as master ..... plus there is only 1 place and only 1 fight to use it lol - Labs/Viemm </p><hr></blockquote>Don't forget the Godking!</div>

[Nolomite]

<DIV>Thanks for all the great responses!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am about to start in on the T5 spells, so this info will be great to keep me from spending coin on the M1's that aren't so important. I've got a tendency to buy every M1 in sight, and I can't afford to keep that up.</DIV>

[Aoi]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tanatus wrote:<BR> <P>Adept 3 amnesia work as good as master ..... plus there is only 1 place and only 1 fight to use it lol - Labs/Viemm - speaking that you need master amnesia it same like speaking that you need master possession for LOA lol - same story single place single fight</P> <P>Basically per say you want all your spells as master but priority would be </P> <P>Charm, Root, AOE mez (since resist factor been badly nerfed on this one), all stuns, single mez</P> <P>As a second round of updates my advice would be - Reactives, Dots, Nukes</P> <P>Lastly buffs</P> <P>But stricktly from personal poit of view - most of coercer masters are common rare that you should buy at will as you see em:</P> <P>Domination, Ruinous Hesitation, Mind Bend, Gorging Toughts, Amnesia (more for collector purpose seriously)</P> <P> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I was talking about using Amnesia on any bad pull for any mob, not just as a pulling tactic for Vyemm...and FYI its not really needed for Vyemm anyway.</P> <P>Mob wipes MT et al on pull, chanter casts Amnesia, chanter dies, mob resets, most of raid saved.</P> <P>Considering how many repair kits one spell can save, I'd say its worth mastering out....</P> <P>Cyene</P>

[Morthore]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> <STRONG>chily wrote:<BR></STRONG> <P><STRONG>Cataclysmic Mind (% of power use will be hp dmg) -> Ad3 does it </STRONG> <P>  <P>  <P>  <P>Believe it or not but your M2 choice at 42 is better than the level 70 ad3</P></BLOCKQUOTE><p>Message Edited by Morthore on <span class=date_text>10-03-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:12 PM</span>

[Tanatus]

<DIV>Just mez and yell off lol what the problem?</DIV>

[Kyriel]

<DIV>Uh amnesia is probably the least *needed* master... I use it in labs jus for fun, mem-wipe... kill warlocks...blame the illusionist... BWA HA HA! I hate labs can you tell? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyways. Solo-wize I would say, (besides your charm) your root, your melee react, %of mana from health react, and spell casting react. </DIV> <DIV>Charm somthin, send it at somthin, cast all them thingies... let it beat on your pet = mob killing itself with the reacts. Dead! </DIV> <DIV>All those masters are super cheap anyway. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Raid wize.. Hate gain. Definatly. ABSOLUTLY is a must. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (adept 3 is the minimum.. must have!) Then i'd say your DPS mod buff. Then gorging thoughts. Then of course your power regens, including channel. Channel has saved lives!  (And if you havent yet, get someone to make you manacloak adept3, its great) </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In general since we are crowd control ya know... I'd say get your mezes master 1. (And get ur subjugation up! <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ) (duh lol) </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So.. I guess this didnt answer your question since I obviously picked "ALL spells master1" lol</DIV> <DIV>Give me a situation, Give me a list of masters available. Then I'll choose <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Nolomite]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zemfira wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Give me a situation, Give me a list of masters available. Then I'll choose <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>The situation: lvl 40 coercer is sitting at the broker with some plat to spend, intent on arming himself for the next dozen or so levels.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The masters available: all the masters for sale on my server (Permafrost, to be specific). Prices vary, naturally. Not everything is available, but then tomorrow is another day.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>; )</DIV><p>Message Edited by Nolomite on <span class=date_text>10-04-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:49 AM</span>

[Aoi]

<DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zemfira wrote:<BR> <DIV>Uh amnesia is probably the least *needed* master... I use it in labs jus for fun, mem-wipe... kill warlocks...blame the illusionist... BWA HA HA! I hate labs can you tell? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyways. Solo-wize I would say, (besides your charm) your root, your melee react, %of mana from health react, and spell casting react. </DIV> <DIV>Charm somthin, send it at somthin, cast all them thingies... let it beat on your pet = mob killing itself with the reacts. Dead! </DIV> <DIV>All those masters are super cheap anyway. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Raid wize.. Hate gain. Definatly. ABSOLUTLY is a must. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (adept 3 is the minimum.. must have!) Then i'd say your DPS mod buff. Then gorging thoughts. Then of course your power regens, including channel. Channel has saved lives!  (And if you havent yet, get someone to make you manacloak adept3, its great) </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In general since we are crowd control ya know... I'd say get your mezes master 1. (And get ur subjugation up! <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ) (duh lol) </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So.. I guess this didnt answer your question since I obviously picked "ALL spells master1" lol</DIV> <DIV>Give me a situation, Give me a list of masters available. Then I'll choose <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><BR>Wow, you have never had like, say Tarinax, turn and wipe half the raid, and then cast Amnesia to save the other half?  I am not so much disagreen with you as making sure that everyone realizes what you can do on ANY raid with Amnesia.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And, why would you put our power regens as a lower priority than the DPS buff?  That seems odd to me...though I agree Channel master is a must have.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And, yeah, lab is getting a tad boring...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And Tanatus, you wanna elaborate on how yelling the encounter is going to save anyone who is already on the mobs hate list? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Cyene</DIV>

[Kyriel]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Aoine wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Wow, you have never had like, say Tarinax, turn and wipe half the raid, and then cast Amnesia to save the other half?  I am not so much disagreen with you as making sure that everyone realizes what you can do on ANY raid with Amnesia.</P> <P><STRONG><FONT color=#ffff00>I'll be honest. I've used it once so he'd come after me and save the last person left to jump on the wall.  *Edit* But you don't NEED this master. I have never gotten a resist at adept 1, and i've had it at adept 3 for the longest. It was the latest master I've gotten.</FONT></STRONG></P></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And, why would you put our power regens as a lower priority than the DPS buff?  That seems odd to me...though I agree Channel master is a must have.</DIV> <DIV>      </DIV> <DIV>         <STRONG><FONT color=#ffff00>Just my look on things I guess. If you have both adept 3 (which you shuold anyway) I'd pick the DPS to give to two or three other DPS classes. Its like what, a measly 20, or 40 extra power regen? DPS baby! </FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And, yeah, lab is getting a tad boring...</DIV> <DIV>        <STRONG><FONT color=#ffff00>it does... it really really does. </FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV>And Tanatus, you wanna elaborate on how yelling the encounter is going to save anyone who is already on the mobs hate list? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Cyene</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><p>Message Edited by Zemfira on <span class=date_text>10-04-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:06 PM</span>

[Tanatus]

<DIV>But of course ...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The only time then you need use Amnesia to save what ever left easy can be effectively substituted by mezing target for 15 second, hitting sprint and yell it off .... 15 sec more then enouth time to run hell far far from agro radius of mob</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Speaking about Impetus - every since Harmonious link became raid-wide amends I simply use this spell only for pet buffing. Giving brigand Harm Link instead of Impetus will help raid a lot more .... </DIV>

[Aoi]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tanatus wrote:<BR> <DIV>But of course ...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The only time then you need use Amnesia to save what ever left easy can be effectively substituted by mezing target for 15 second, hitting sprint and yell it off .... 15 sec more then enouth time to run hell far far from agro radius of mob</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Speaking about Impetus - every since Harmonious link became raid-wide amends I simply use this spell only for pet buffing. Giving brigand Harm Link instead of Impetus will help raid a lot more .... </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Umm...why not just use Amnesia...no one has to run away, and even if ppl keep attacking, the mob usually resets with a few survivors.  Not to mention, you can't always run....for example, if you are fighting the Crab....run to where?</P> <P>But hey, if you wanna be stubborn and only do it your way....go for it man.</P> <P>Cyene</P>

[Petgroup]

<div><blockquote><hr>Tanatus wrote:<div> </div> <div>Speaking about Impetus - every since Harmonious link became raid-wide amends I simply use this spell only for pet buffing. Giving brigand Harm Link instead of Impetus will help raid a lot more .... </div><hr></blockquote>I normally agree with you but if this comment is serious, you need a new tank.Under every situation, I would give a Brig Impetus over Link. The Brig is not gonna pull aggro unless your tank is surfing the web or just bought his toon off Ebay.</div>

[Tanatus]

<DIV>Nope never ...</DIV> <DIV>Look there is no harm for raid even if brigand will do less DPS then templar but .... dead brigand = no dispatch, no dispatch = raid DPS suffer -25-33% penalties...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Brigand dying on despatch have nothing to do with quality of tank - because you missed word <U><EM>permature</EM></U> <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Our brigands usually use Despatch in conjuction with skill that nearly double duration of this spell and since brigand the ONLY scout class that don't have any ability to deal with own agro so ... go figure. Basically for me any brigand is first on the list for Harm Link for that sole reason, second on the list obviously warlocks and if I have any conc left over then rangers or wizards</DIV>

[Kyriel]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tanatus wrote:<BR> <DIV> since brigand the ONLY scout class that don't have any ability to deal with own agro so ... go figure. <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Ummm......right.</P> <P><BR> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tanatus wrote:<BR> <DIV>Nope never ...</DIV> <DIV>Look there is <U>no harm for raid even if brigand will do less DPS then templar</U> but .... dead brigand = no dispatch, no dispatch = <U>raid DPS suffer -25-33% penalties</U>...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tanatus wrote:<BR> <DIV>Brigand dying on despatch have nothing to do with quality of tank - because you missed word <U><EM>permature</EM></U> <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR><BR>A Brigand dying on dispatch has alot to do with quality of the tank. Dying on dispatch? Are you serious? </P> <P> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tanatus wrote:<BR> <DIV> Basically for me any brigand is first on the list for Harm Link for that sole reason, second on the list obviously warlocks and if I have any conc left over then rangers or wizards</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I agree with this. </P> <P> </P> <P>I will always give a brigand DPS mod over anti-hate. Whenever we have two or three brigands, I will put the DPS mod on every one of them. They know how to play, and guess what, control their aggro. Yes, thats right. </P> <P>However, If we only have one brigand online, I will put both the DPS mod on him, (then the assasin), and also put harmonous link on him. </P>

[Tanatus]

<DIV>If your brigand really good then he have M1 Despatch and M1 skill that double duration. Now guess what happend if brigand land this 2 skills on target that been taunted only once? (and yes I have M1 enraging demeanor,  yes our Dirge have his M1 hate buff and yes our tank have ALL his taunts at M1).</DIV> <DIV>Ye there is a tricky way hit brigand with TOE but it have short range plus usually this my skill reserved for templar on sanctuary pull or ranger on survalience (sp) pull. Plus believe you or not but I am not cutting out of Harm Link warlock in order to give Impetus to Brigand - no way. Good warlock do 1500+DPS susteined good brigand fully buffed in same conditions? well probably around 1100 so choice is yours <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </DIV>

[Aoi]

<P>The only time I ever give our Brigands Link is when they are a large part of a particular fight's DPS (Talendor, Crab, anything with a significant joust, etc.)</P> <P>Otherwise, our Brigands (and we have 3 regular raiding Brigs) hardly ever get agro.  I've never seen any of them get agro using Dispatch, single or doubled.</P> <P>My general rule of thumb is give those people Link who are consistently high on the parse and who do not have a Troub in thier group (with a focus on Monks/Bruiders and Zerks since they are not affected by most hate reduction spells, incl. Troub one).</P> <P>Usually, our Brigs are in a group with a Troub though, so that has an impact as well.  Given that I am in the MT group almost 100% of the time, I rarely case Impetus on anyone beyond the MT>.</P> <P>Cyene</P>

[Tanatus]

<P>Thats kind of waste ... (brigand with troubadur  I mean)</P> <P>I just guess your brigands don't yet mastered double duration (hell always fogeting name of that skill) and despatch - otherwise - NOTHING can pull agro out brigand (not even 29K decapinate or 26K Fusion hit) if target was not taunted at least 4-5 time. Anyway we usuall call Despatch at 80% not early then that</P> <P>I dont ever bother with monks or bruisers they do same DPS like enchanters or bards (may be a little less) - as they should do </P>

[Kyriel]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tanatus wrote:<BR> <P> Anyway we usuall call Despatch at 80% not early then that</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I'm real glad im not in your guild.

[RightInTwo]

<P>Since I'm in a pvp server....I'm wondering if anyone has a difference of opinion as to the order of acquiring M1 books. I usually try to keep my Mez/Stuns/Reactives (need to get AoE Mez now) at M1, and then work on the rest. Unless of course I find them at decent prices.</P> <P> </P> <P>And a side question: Does Despotic Mind activate on the person when they use Sprint???</P>

[Aoi]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tanatus wrote:<BR> <P>Thats kind of waste ... (brigand with troubadur  I mean)</P> <P>I just guess your brigands don't yet mastered double duration (hell always fogeting name of that skill) and despatch - otherwise - NOTHING can pull agro out brigand (not even 29K decapinate or 26K Fusion hit) if target was not taunted at least 4-5 time. Anyway we usuall call Despatch at 80% not early then that</P> <P>I dont ever bother with monks or bruisers they do same DPS like enchanters or bards (may be a little less) - as they should do </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Given that our top brigand can parse in excess of 2k dmg on certain fights, and averages around 1.4k DPS, I would say 40% hate reduction isn't a waste.</P> <P>We have a Bruiser AND a Monk that regularly parse 1-1.2k.</P> <P>Tanatus, you might want to consider from time to time that not every raid force is exactly like yours.  Putting high DPS scouts in a group with a Troub is NOT a waste if you have very few casters (or none) that show up on raids.</P> <P>Also, something for you to chew on, our Monk and Bruiser can't hit that DPS w/o Harmonius Link.  You think maybe your Monks could if you weren't so close minded?</P> <P>Cyene</P><p>Message Edited by Aoine on <span class=date_text>10-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:58 PM</span>

[Lleinen]

<DIV>As a coercer, are you ever grouped with a Brigand anyway? I usually put 1 with our pally OT and 1 in a DPS group (top DPS all the time in that group, but dies occasionally) and in fights where you NEED brigands to stay alive I usually put em with a troub or make sure I toss harm link on em and leave em in DPS groups.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Usually reserve impetus for MT and Swash</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>but yah, Impetus is a must for m1</DIV>

[Tanatus]

<P>I put my bets on warlocks and you know why in terms of DPS <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> let me put it very blant if warlock can't do at least 125% DPS of brigand - warlock dont know how to play his/her class or raid leader don't know how to use warlock properly</P> <P>As coercer I don't need to group with brigand :0 harm link is cross raid but at occasion secondary coercer group with brigand so I perfectly aware what DPS can pull brigand under Impetus M1 and what DPS can pull warlock</P> <P>Oh ya Cyene in DPS set up I can always outdamage any monk or bruiser with my coercer ... its other question that I am normally within MT group (and that not per say perfect set up for me to DPS my [Removed for Content] off still if I can't sustein over duration of raid at least 750-800DPS I consider myself slucking)</P><p>Message Edited by Tanatus on <span class=date_text>10-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:25 PM</span>

[Kyriel]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tanatus wrote:<BR> <P>As coercer I don't need to group with brigand :0 harm link is cross raid but at occasion secondary coercer group with brigand so I perfectly aware what DPS can pull brigand under Impetus M1 and what DPS can pull warlock</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Not every raid is the same time after time. There are several times that I am switched out of the MT group and in the offtank group or i get switched with a gruop with 3 brigands for the DPS buff. Every raid is different.

[Nolomite]

<P>Is there a chance that we get back on-topic and leave the raid configuration discussion for another thread?</P> <P> </P> <P>Thanks.</P>