lower level charms being used on higher level mobs

[fat to]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div>   I was out pvping in bonemire with a corspse candle, when I received a tell from someone who I don't know telling me to keep up what I was doing and get coercers nerfed. It was difficult to figure out what he was angry at me for exactly. He wouldn't tell me who he was, so I wasn't sure if it was a guildee of someone who I had killed with my pet, or if it was just a concerned coercer. Either way he was insulting me for using m1 beguile on a corpse candle, which he called an exploit.Do you think coercers should be able to charm higher level mobs with a lower level charm such as beguile, and do you think corpse candles and corpse flames in bonemire should do the damage that they do? Here is the conversation below :1.)        http://img74.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eq2000016sf2.jpg2.)        http://img114.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eq2000017ie7.jpg3.)        http://img471.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eq2000018px0.jpg4.)        http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eq2000019yo7.jpg5.)        http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eq2000020hf7.jpg6.)        http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eq2000021pw8.jpg7.)        http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eq2000022zj7.jpg8.)        http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eq2000023og1.jpg9.)        http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eq2000024xy8.jpg10.)      http://img67.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eq2000025bi7.jpg11.)      http://img67.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eq2000026zf7.jpg12.)      http://img76.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eq2000027lp2.jpgHaving trouble with image shack, but what do you think? Should charm be changed? Are certain pets too powerful?pumpkin pie - 70 coercer/ 62 woodworker of overlords on nagafen<div></div><p><span class="date_text"></span><span class="time_text"></span></p><p><span class="time_text"></span></p><p><span class="time_text"></span></p><p>Message Edited by fat tony on <span class=date_text>09-17-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:27 PM</span>

[The-Plethora]

What an idiot, he complains that he doesnt want something nerfed and has a go at you for charming the candles...if he is taking his own advice and not charming them then why is he worried about them being nerfed as it wont affect him in any way.<div></div>

[Dealen]

Well, the charm spells are supposed to have a level limit.  Level 24 for the 2nd one if I remember right (I had a coercer for a while and switched to Illusionist).  Funny that Sony has not fixed that.  No other class (that I know of) has a spell./Art that is a "main" ability that is useful as a master 1 at 5-6 tiers above when you get it.Illusionists pets are level lock it seems. My "teenage" pet spell can only summon a pet of 19th level max even though I am 23rd and the spell is supposed to be useful til level 24.  So it would seem fair that Coercers would have the same restrictions.<div></div>

[Raidi Sovin'faile]

The level limits were put on charm spells way back in the day back when there were "Enchanters" and not just "Coercers and Illusionists".Illusionists were running around charming things with their level 12 charm, and it wasn't appropriate that they got a class defining spell like that.. there was no personae for Coercers to play with.Slap a level limit on and bam, no more illusionists using charm beyond the teens. This is back when they were about to improve charm.. so they were making sure illusionists didn't get the best of both worlds. Even back then, the charms after level 20 had no level limit because they didn't need to at that point... their purpose was to restrict the shared class spells... and 20+ wasn't shared.This tool is basically "thinking" too hard and getting himself all worked up over the situation without putting any thought into it.Stop using it, or it will get nerfed? So either don't use it.. or it will get nerfed and you can't use it? How is either final outcome supposed to be at all different? In fact, it's about the same.. so if he's so against one (the nerfage) he should be against the other as well (the not using it).He also tip toed around any direct answer... he goes off about how the candles will be nerfed because you they are too good, so stop using it. But then says the coercer spells will get nerfed because of the same thing? Why? Won't they just nerf the candles? What does Beguile Master 1 have to do with candle's strength? And adept 3 domination still does a TON of damage from that candle.. that'd be a crappy fix for the situation if they did it.We already get nasty breaks, and far shorter durations from the lower level spells... it doesn't need more nerfage than that to make upgrades worthwhile.I mean.. whoever has a Coerce Master 1 would still JUMP at the chance to get a Domination Master 1 if it ever dropped. 30 minutes vs 10 minutes? At 10 minutes, things "breaking early" is like at the 3 minutes mark... barely a fight or two. With 30 minutes, a similar comparison is 10 minutes... and it's more reliable.As for the one-shotting... I've NEVER been able to one-shot someone with the candle. In fact, most of the time it ends up nuking for something like 500-1000 at best.And it IS a warlock. The guy forgets that CREATURES get CREATURE specific spells. The major spell it casts is <b>soul flay</b> and I recognize that specifically as a warlock spell. The lifetap could easily be a creature specific spell tacked onto it's warlock class.<div></div>

[Stuge]

What confuses me the most is why that conversation went beyond their 3rd sentence without you just /ignoring them and going on your merry way.<div></div>

[Venzule]

<P>There is a downside of course to using the lower level charm on higher level mobs.</P> <P>1. The time limit.  Like the above poster stated with a 10 min charm I get charm breaks at the 2-3 min mark.  Very rare for it to go the full duration unless the pet is 2-3 levels below me.</P> <P>2. The stun is no longer effective when the charm break. Thus you now have a very [Removed for Content] mob beating the hell out of you the MOMENT charm breaks.  Makes for a lot of fun.</P> <P> </P> <P>Coercer has a lot of benefits with charm and Master charm and at times I think we are to good, but then I see a Necro of the same level killing 3 or 4 of the same level mobs I am at the same time and my god complex snaps back to reality.</P> <P>Aside from that no class dies as much as a Coercer. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Venzule on <span class=date_text>09-18-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:17 AM</span>

[Outerspace]

It's soul blister actually :p<div></div>

[TheLastB]

<DIV>on a pvp server where people generally arent in raid gear a corpse candle in master form will savagely nuke the living bejebus out of any non healer/high resist person. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>afaik there isnt any other pet outside of an instance that will do the nukes of the corpse candle/flame (that hasnt already been nerfed)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>tie this to the fact that its a level30 spell thats being used to nuke a player for 5k, and you think its right?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>using this pet for pve isnt an issue....its simply speeding up the process of what you would already be doing....but in pvp its a different story.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I dont want to see a pvp server with everyone running around with 6k resists making casters useless.....but thats an altogether different issue, I also dont want to see corpse candle uncharmable..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>is there a solution? </DIV>

[Venzule]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TheLastBoy wrote:<BR> <DIV>on a pvp server where people generally arent in raid gear a corpse candle in master form will savagely nuke the living bejebus out of any non healer/high resist person. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>afaik there isnt any other pet outside of an instance that will do the nukes of the corpse candle/flame (that hasnt already been nerfed)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>tie this to the fact that its a level30 spell thats being used to nuke a player for 5k, and you think its right?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>using this pet for pve isnt an issue....its simply speeding up the process of what you would already be doing....but in pvp its a different story.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I dont want to see a pvp server with everyone running around with 6k resists making casters useless.....but thats an altogether different issue, I also dont want to see corpse candle uncharmable..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>is there a solution?</FONT> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Nerf everyone until the classes are as useful as a level 1 scout.</P> <P> </P> <P>But really...</P> <P> </P> <P>Solution,  Make corpse candle uncharmable.   I see you dont want that so what your asking for is the Charm spell to be nerfed?</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P><BR> </P>

[TheLastB]

<DIV>dont know anything about pve servers....I only joined for the pvp....and its not really a problem atm due to there being so few 70 coercers on pvp (probably <10 active on nagafen)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>what the original poster fails to show is that he was actively seeking pvp targets in bonemire with this pet (we all know what it can do, lets face it) and doing it with a level30 charm.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>maybe you all think that its ok...but I personally dont think a level30 spell should be able to nuke another person for 5000+ dmg</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>its been proven that the master pet does not scale with the other levels as other spells would....and thats fine for such a small bonus to a class that could use the loving (in some respects) - I would hate to see this change.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I understand about the removal of the level cap after level20 now due to a previous poster - and dont particularly want to see that changed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I enjoy the use of corpse candle in bonemire if Im pveing - and dont really want to see that changed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I hate that resists for casters are so messed up that its almost impossible to dmg someone with 6k resist - and really want to see this changed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>but....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I dont like seeing coercer using a level30 master charm on a level67 pet running totems, mezzing debuffing and 1hitting level70s with under 3k resist.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Id rather appeal to have corpse candle uncharmable.....and thats not really something I want to see.</DIV>

[Venzule]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TheLastBoy wrote:<BR> <DIV>dont know anything about pve servers....I only joined for the pvp....and its not really a problem atm due to there being so few 70 coercers on pvp (probably <10 active on nagafen)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>what the original poster fails to show is that he was actively seeking pvp targets in bonemire with this pet (we all know what it can do, lets face it) and doing it with a level30 charm.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>maybe you all think that its ok...but I personally dont think a level30 spell should be able to nuke another person for 5000+ dmg</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>its been proven that the master pet does not scale with the other levels as other spells would....and thats fine for such a small bonus to a class that could use the loving (in some respects) - I would hate to see this change.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I understand about the removal of the level cap after level20 now due to a previous poster - and dont particularly want to see that changed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I enjoy the use of corpse candle in bonemire if Im pveing - and dont really want to see that changed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I hate that resists for casters are so messed up that its almost impossible to dmg someone with 6k resist - and really want to see this changed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>but....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I dont like seeing coercer using a level30 master charm on a level67 pet running totems, mezzing debuffing and 1hitting level70s with under 3k resist.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Id rather appeal to have corpse candle uncharmable.....and thats not really something I want to see.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>All I have to say is you know not what you do....</P> <P> </P> <P>By making a post like this you are going to start a flame war and a devs will take notice and you will wind up hurting the Ceorcer class due to a nerf being imposed.</P> <P> </P> <P>Just leave it alone and if your on a PVP server stay out of bonemire.</P>

[TheLastB]

<DIV>if you honestly think that the answer is to stop going to bonemire then you really have thought about it eh >.<</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>coercer does not need a nerf in any way shape or form....but people like the original poster need to be aware that by 'abusing' this one pet in a pvp scenario no good will come.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>this was the point.</DIV>

[Venzule]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TheLastBoy wrote:<BR> <DIV>if you honestly think that the answer is to stop going to bonemire then you really have thought about it eh >.<</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>coercer does not need a nerf in any way shape or form....but people like the original poster need to be aware that by 'abusing' this one pet in a pvp scenario no good will come.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>this was the point.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Hmmm...  </P> <P> </P> <P>Lets call it the downside to playing on a PVP server.   You play on a server like that you get ganked.</P> <P> </P> <P>How about when a Necro throws his level 70 Master I pet at a Ceorcer with nothing charmed???  Unbalanced??     I could also argue the point that we need comparable mobs to charm that are as strong as a necro pet in every zone to avoid this.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Outerspace]

Don't fight coercers in Bonemire if you don't like it. Don't come here trying to get the class or pets nerfed.Charming corpse candles is not a game abuse, whether it be by a 5 minute duration charm spell or by a 30 minute duration charm spell. You only think it is because you got wtfpwned by one. <div></div>

[TheLastB]

<P>I give props to the original poster for actually trying to bring it up on the boards...shows he does have some scruples.</P> <P>Im amazed at the childlessness of a lot of posts here.</P> <P> </P> <P>waaaa, dont talk about my class, you'll get it nerfed! type arguments usually belong on the scout forums...not on a class board that actually takes some skill to play.</P> <P> </P> <P>I came here to defend myself...and to explain..and to be told its the joy of being on a pvp server or dont go to bonemire just doesnt cut it.</P> <P>Part of the issue is that the mob itself isnt that strong until charmed into a master form....without opening a huge can of worms that is the charm ability, Id rather like to see less blatant pvp use on this pet or before long they will become uncharmable.</P> <P> </P> <P>On a pve server this does not negatively impact anybody directly - thus is a non issue. But on a pvp server where a master pet is capable of 1shotting a level70 player every 10seconds (ok it has 2ability but soul blister is used by it a LOT) it is most definitely an issue and 1 that I would rather have dealt with by the coercer community rather than the devs.</P> <P> </P>

[Outerspace]

<div></div><div></div><div></div>You want to know more pets that do potential "one shot" nukes? Try the Gustbreaker breezebenders, they nuke 4.5k then 1.5k in succession and heal themselves for 750 per tick. Try those paladin mobs on the Isle of Awakening, I have had 9k from one of those. Those trees in Bonemire are also powerful and heal themselves. The squallburst drakes in Breeding Grounds apply a nasty DoT that ticks for 500 or so. Coercer pets are glass cannons though. As a brigand all you need is 3.5k mental resist, then stun-lock the corpse candle and kill it and the coercer is all yours.I have duelled a few people with corpse candles. You know what they do? They put on their resist gear! With capped poison resist, the corpse candle nukes around 1000 with Master 1 Domination. So theres's one solution. If you don't like being one shotted in Bonemire, buy yourself some resist gear. Like they say on the WoW forums so often: learn to play. If I played PvP on my assassin, I would carry with me the boxes of resist gear that I do now, and equip it when fighting certain damage types to max my resists. You can tell by all the complaining on the boards what a difference resist gear makes when fighting a mage and having tried it I know that even 3.5k to 4k it's often frustrating to try and land anything unless you have a suite of master spells (which I am lucky enough to have now).I have to laugh that you seriously think coming in here and complaining about it somehow coercers will think "oh my god, maybe he's right", stop using the good pets and start using crap ones that don't do any damage.Coercer DPS is determined by their pet. It's the class defining ability. If scouts come in here and start whingeing that all the pets that can one shot them should be nerfed then all I would say is maybe you should try another game that was designed with PvP in mind instead of one that wasn't.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Outerspace on <span class=date_text>09-19-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:01 AM</span>

[tugnut]

To many scout class's in PVP. thats the only thing that puts me off playing on the PVP servers.. if you do get a hand up on them they just escape...  and get your self good resists gear.. that may be the problem..lol to use to going up against Scouts instead of casters. also i would imagine its hard life as a coerser in the erly life on a PVP server. so any one thats put the work in to get 70 in my book needs a little treat.. not like he can go to other zones with it!  or even better let them be able to charm players... i remember my erly days playing EQ1, we used to have a guild PvP event. was sooo funny watching our bard charm one of our monks and getting him to Sit...backing off braeking charm Dot him reCharm him sitting him down.  hehehe Great days.

[Venzule]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TheLastBoy wrote:<BR> <P>I give props to the original poster for actually trying to bring it up on the boards...shows he does have some scruples.</P> <P>Im amazed at the childlessness of a lot of posts here.</P> <P> </P> <P>waaaa, dont talk about my class, you'll get it nerfed! type arguments usually belong on the scout forums...not on a class board that actually takes some skill to play.</P> <P> </P> <P>I came here to defend myself...and to explain..and to be told its the joy of being on a pvp server or dont go to bonemire just doesnt cut it.</P> <P>Part of the issue is that the mob itself isnt that strong until charmed into a master form....without opening a huge can of worms that is the charm ability, Id rather like to see less blatant pvp use on this pet or before long they will become uncharmable.</P> <P> </P> <P>On a pve server this does not negatively impact anybody directly - thus is a non issue. But on a pvp server where a master pet is capable of 1shotting a level70 player every 10seconds (ok it has 2ability but soul blister is used by it a LOT) it is most definitely an issue and 1 that <FONT color=#ffff00>I would rather have dealt with by the coercer community rather than the devs.</FONT></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Hey guys, hes right.  I propose a ban on charming CC's.  Lets all help this guy out.  From now on in bonemire just stand around without a pet charmed and wait to be killed.</P> <P> </P> <P>Now back to reality.  Don't play coy with us, your on a mission.  You wont get anywhere by bringing this up with the Ceorcer Community.  Your on a Nerf quest, and your reward is vindication.  I guess you got ganked in bonemire and decided its your mission to come here and make alot of noise and hope a Dev notices and gives you a tissue.</P> <P> </P> <P>I think myself and everyone else should just stop replying to this nerf hound and let this post fall into the oblivion.  Giving it any more attention is only giving him what he wants.</P> <P> </P> <P>/wave</P> <P> </P> <P><BR> </P><p>Message Edited by Venzule on <span class=date_text>09-19-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:09 AM</span>

[TheLastB]

<DIV>actually the mission Im on is to have fun and enjoy the game....if you think that coercer deserves to have a pet that can 1hit someone with under 3.5k poison/mental resist (and you try that without having fabled gear as a non wis/mage class) then you are living in cloud cookoo land.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>pve server is very different to pvp...I dont even know if you guys use the arena ruleset in duels outside of it....but Ive fought people in the arena on pvp server and its very very different.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>maybe I should just use  'cant beat em join em' and let this lie, or maybe this thread will die out which wouldnt be such a bad thing but I abhore being told 'learn to the play the game' or dont go in bonemire if a coercer is there, or get resist gear....bleh resists are already way out of hand in pvp and need to be fixed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>fact of the matter is 90% of the people that have replied to this post have had a kneejerk reaction to what looks like a call to nerf - when in fact it wasnt - coercers using corpse candles to pvp with will bring more attention to the devs than this post would ever Im sure</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>...I believe the initial post was asking about whether using master beguile on a corpse candle was the way it should be (which I still highly doubt)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Q. Should using a level30 charm spell be able to pump out 1500dps?</DIV> <DIV>A. we all know the answer but are afraid of the nerf bat (and rightly so)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Outerspace]

Like I said before, there are several things you can do to limit the impact of the charmed corpse candle to your PvP experience.You choose not to do them and come here demanding nerfs instead.Do you also post on the wizard forums because they can one shot people too? Or assassin forums? Or ranger forums? Coercers have very very limited DPS of their own and rely on their pet, so having a pet that instakills newbies that have no resists is only like being a wizard insta killing newbies that have no resists, the difference being most people have more heat and cold resist than they do poison resist making corpse candles more effective.My reply to the original poster is yes I have no problem with people using the tools they have available to charm the best pets available.Lastly, whether it's a level 30, 5 minutes charm spell or a level 61, 30 minutes charm spell it can be used to pump out whatever DPS the pets in the area can do. The upgrade through the level range is the length of the charm, not the quality of the charm.<div></div>

[Aoi]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TheLastBoy wrote:<BR> <DIV>actually the mission Im on is to have fun and enjoy the game....if you think that coercer deserves to have a pet that can 1hit someone with under 3.5k poison/mental resist (and you try that without having fabled gear as a non wis/mage class) then you are living in cloud cookoo land.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>pve server is very different to pvp...I dont even know if you guys use the arena ruleset in duels outside of it....but Ive fought people in the arena on pvp server and its very very different.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>maybe I should just use  'cant beat em join em' and let this lie, or maybe this thread will die out which wouldnt be such a bad thing but I abhore being told 'learn to the play the game' or dont go in bonemire if a coercer is there, or get resist gear....bleh resists are already way out of hand in pvp and need to be fixed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>fact of the matter is 90% of the people that have replied to this post have had a kneejerk reaction to what looks like a call to nerf - when in fact it wasnt - coercers using corpse candles to pvp with will bring more attention to the devs than this post would ever Im sure</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>...I believe the initial post was asking about whether using master beguile on a corpse candle was the way it should be (which I still highly doubt)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Q. Should using a level30 charm spell be able to pump out 1500dps?</DIV> <DIV>A. we all know the answer but are afraid of the nerf bat (and rightly so)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Seriously guy, do you think you are the first person to post this crap?</P> <P>When charm was changed awhile back, people came here and posted this same dribble about charm being overpowered, corpse candles nuking too much, blah blah blah.</P> <P>Here's a thought out, non-kneejerk response....maybe PvP isn't your thing.  And, yes I understand your origninal message about the low level charm, and yes, I still think its irrelevant.</P> <P>Oh and this part of your post:</P> <P>"actually the mission Im on is to have fun and enjoy the game....if you think that coercer deserves to have a pet that can 1hit someone with under 3.5k poison/mental resist (and you try that without having fabled gear as a non wis/mage class) then you are living in cloud cookoo land."</P> <P>...is complete nonsense.  First, the pet won;t 1 hit you every time.  Second, its a [Removed for Content] caster...everyone knows you need high resists against casters...big duh on that one.  Third, yeah you have to be in fabled to have ALL your resists that high, but no one ever said that was required.  You could EASILY get your noxious resists that high with cheap player crafted jewlery (I know, because like the poster above, I carry around a bag of it for raids).</P> <P>The only person living in cuckoo land is you, coming to these boards with this veiled "nerf charmed pets" garbage.  You can talk all you want, but saying things like "using corpse candles to pvp with will bring more attention to the devs than this post would ever Im sure" really makes your true colors apparent to all of us.</P> <P>Cyene<BR></P>

[Varg_MM]

You don't like getting beat up by a charmed corpse candle. Fine, I understand. It's one of the few mobs a coercer can charm that is actually really nasty. Valid point.But it seems you're in a huff because he's using a 33 charm to do it. So what? He's not level 30, so why does it matter? It's not his only option, in fact it's actually a weaker option that two others. It's like getting mad because the guy who killed you was in a red robe instead of a blue one. If you capped his lvl33 charm, what changes? He just uses a higher level version instead. What did that change? Nothing. The corpse candle will still wreck you.You're flouting him using a lower level spell like it matters. Well, as most people are aware, it really doesn't. Beguile, Dominate, and Domination all have the exact same effect - they charm a mob. The only changes in the line are duration and resistablity. Most classes have spell lines that mirror this effect. The only reason the coercer used the lvl33 version is because the lvl47 and lvl61 versions are harder to get.So really, you're complaining that the 47 and 61 charms are too rare, and I'm sure everyone on here will agree with that.

[arabprin]

<DIV>So I didn't read the whole thread but if this guy is a coercer than it's Compulsion from The Kelley Gang.  He's exile... why does he care?</DIV>

[mkruger]

<DIV>LastBoy,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ok, first of all. The minute you start complaining about another class being overpowered / having an overpowered ability in pvp as a brigand you just lost all meaning to your argument.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Second. The reason you are upset is because Pumpkin owned your face so hard, and you kept spawnrushing, and he killed you 10+ times before you stopped.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Third. Get resists. Its not that hard, even for a scout.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Forth. You say its exploiting to use a lower tier charm for T7 mobs. SoE already took this into consideration. Its shorter duration, hence break more often and it hardly stuns the mob when it breaks.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Fifth. Don't call Pumpkin an idiot when you obviously have no clue and only look through the narrow minded glasses of a brigand.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Outerspace]

<div><blockquote><hr>arabprince wrote:<div>So I didn't read the whole thread but if this guy is a coercer than it's Compulsion from The Kelley Gang.  He's exile... why does he care?</div><hr></blockquote>...and look who else is in that guild..  some brigand called ThelastboyI guess you're right <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[Venzule]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Outerspace wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> arabprince wrote:<BR> <DIV>So I didn't read the whole thread but if this guy is a coercer than it's Compulsion from The Kelley Gang.  He's exile... why does he care?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>...and look who else is in that guild..  some brigand called Thelastboy<BR><BR>I guess you're right <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Like I said 20 posts ago...  Hes on a Nerf Quest.    <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Norrsken]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TheLastBoy wrote:<BR> <DIV>on a pvp server where people generally arent in raid gear a corpse candle in master form will savagely nuke the living bejebus out of any non healer/high resist person. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>afaik there isnt any other pet outside of an instance that will do the nukes of the corpse candle/flame (that hasnt already been nerfed)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>tie this to the fact that its a level30 spell thats being used to nuke a player for 5k, and you think its right?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>using this pet for pve isnt an issue....its simply speeding up the process of what you would already be doing....but in pvp its a different story.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I dont want to see a pvp server with everyone running around with 6k resists making casters useless.....but thats an altogether different issue, I also dont want to see corpse candle uncharmable..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>is there a solution? </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I call bull[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]. Sorry but I do. Why shouldnt the coercers be capable of 1 or 2 shotting people in one single zone, whereas the predators can do it in every zone? Yeah, it isnt a lvl 30 spell, but hey, I could oneshot people on my sassin with a lvl 24 CA at that level. And the level of the charm isnt really the topic, since its vastly different from every other spell in the game. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> And you already got a few explanations as to how its different.<p>Message Edited by roxer2b on <span class=date_text>09-25-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:34 AM</span>