LU27 and Charm Breaks.

[Venzule]

<DIV>Anyone else notice more charm breaks after the patch?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I know people get a paranoid after a patch and imagine things but either I was on a horrible unlucky streak of my even con pet with Master I charm just broke charm every 2 minutes max.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It happened at least 20 times in a row.  Not once did it run its full course or even close.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Please tell me I'm unlucky today.   </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Note:  Same mobs that were being charmed yesterday without this problem. (Or unluckiness)  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Catsy]

Either you had really bad luck, or I had really good luck. I grabbed a deep orange mob in Zek this afternoon and got myself a level in about a half hour. Only two breaks. Adept 3 Coerce.<div></div>

[Roriondesexiest]

<DIV>I just get days like that,  lol I think I have made this same post asking cause I had a real bad day of it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If it happens for more than a day then I might be worried.</DIV>

[Venzule]

<P>Yup, after login the second time I wasnt having problems anymore.</P> <P> </P> <P>[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] that was a looong string of bad luck......  shew... no nerf is all I care about.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Leawyn]

<DIV>Yeah, I only charmed once yesterday, and it lasted the entire duration.</DIV>

[SpiceBoi]

2 trips through HoF charming different mobs with Adept3 since the patch & I didn't notice any increase in early breaking.<div></div>

[Morthore]

<P>casting Cure Arcane on myself breaks Charm :smileysad:</P><p>Message Edited by Morthore on <span class=date_text>09-08-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:15 PM</span>

[Eifer]

This always makes me laugh  <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Every LU someone posts about how much more charm is breaking since the last LU...Make me giggle every time I see one!<div></div>

[Venzule]

<DIV>Im happy to entertain you.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Charm is a Coercer's bread and butter, so im a bit sensitive with every LU.   <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[jane]

<DIV>i can pretty much solo every names in the bm that are not epic but tt i am still having a hard time anybody got some kind of advice? i have all masters but seems root mez breaks more often..</DIV>

[Korpo]

Has anyone noticed more charm breaks since LU28 came out?....Oh, it isn't out yet?/lieinwait<div></div>

[R]

<DIV>Eh, I can see where people get this though.  Random Number Generators are failrly non-random..having streams of like numbers.  Thus, you get nights where Charm will never break (or crits will appear like every other case) and nights where your resists are through the roof and charms break every 20 seconds.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Last night, my charms were going swell, lasting until the end of the duration.  Suddenly, blue mobs were breaking my charms (normal mobs, not even ^) about 2x a minute.  After 5 or so minutes of this, I logged off and made some dinner.  When I got back...everything was back to normal.  Some other poor sot got the bad stream of numbers the RNG created....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Korpo]

<div><blockquote><hr>Riz wrote:<div>Eh, I can see where people get this though.  Random Number Generators are failrly non-random..having streams of like numbers</div> <hr></blockquote>Random Number Generators, when used properly, are more random than necessary for anything, super secret cyptography and such excluded. Truthfully, they're plenty random for that, but you play every card you can when you're trying to keep nuclear weapons codes secret.What people don't understand is that random things <i>can be</i> and <i>are</i> streaky. Flipping a coin 500 times and getting 5 heads in a row at one point doesn't mean your coin is broken. Streaky = broken RNG is a stupid dogma that has been around the forums forever, and it's perpetuated by people who have no clue what they're talking about.</div>

[R]

<DIV>Wow, you managed to repeat exactly what I said and sound snotty toward me in the process.  Streaky != true random.  Have you ever read the C++ source for the random function?  I promise it's the one the game is using.  Sure, it's good enough for a game (and most other applications) but it's NOT random.  It's a plot of the bell curve that's seldom properly shuffled.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There are better ways to shuffle the preset numbers.  Most game developers simply don't utilize them.  The RNG is great for creating a sampling of the numbers, but they really should be shuffled after they are created.  They most often are not.</DIV>

[Korpo]

<div><blockquote><hr>Riz wrote:<div>Wow, you managed to repeat exactly what I said and sound snotty toward me in the process.  Streaky != true random.  Have you ever read the C++ source for the random function?  I promise it's the one the game is using.  Sure, it's good enough for a game (and most other applications) but it's NOT random.  It's a plot of the bell curve that's seldom properly shuffled.</div> <div> </div> <div>There are better ways to shuffle the preset numbers.  Most game developers simply don't utilize them.  The RNG is great for creating a sampling of the numbers, but they really should be shuffled after they are created.  They most often are not.</div><hr></blockquote>You managed to not understand a word of my post. Streaky numbers <u>does not</u> mean a broken RNG. You are confusing the word "random" with "even". In the process you are demonstrating that you are one of the ignorant people around here perpetuating ignorant dogma, leading to more ignorant people.If you flip a coin, you have a 50% chance of getting heads.Flip again, you have a 50% chance of getting heads.Flip again, you have a 50% chance of getting heads...Flipping that coin 500 times will generally get you about 250 heads and 250 tails because we have a large sample of random events. That does not mean you will get heads, tails, heads, tails, heads, tails... Any deviation from heads, tails, heads, tails... would mean our coin is broken, according to your "streaky != true random" logic. This is obviously not true, otherwise all the change in my pockets is broken. In fact, guaranteeing that you don't get streaks means your event is <u>not</u> random, otherwise you could win every coin flip by flipping your coin first, observing the outcome, and betting on the other outcome the next flip.</div>

[PluvianMi]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Eifer wrote:<BR>This always makes me laugh  <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR><BR>Every LU someone posts about how much more charm is breaking since the last LU...<BR><BR>Make me giggle every time I see one!<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P> </P> <P>I bet it made you giggle in your supreme knowledge of what is or isn't working correctly back when SOE added the 3 second stun and screen flash on early charm breaks.</P> <P>A lot of people were complaining about early charm breaks while folks like yourself were constantly chirping about nothing being different and we were all just having bad luck.</P> <P>Those of us with the problem had to do the testing that SOE and their test server users never did, showing that even when charming the level 1-3 rats and such in the Freeport city zones they were constantly breaking charm within 30 seconds.</P> <P>Still more chirping by people who weren't having the problem.</P> <P>Then SOE comes out with a patch and commentaries stating that the adding the stun and screen flash caused an "unexpected interaction" with the charm break code and that they had fixed the problem.</P> <P>Suddenly after the patch those fierce level 1-3 rats were staying charmed for the max duration of charms, amazingly the high level mobs were no longer frequently breaking charm early either.</P> <P> </P> <P>Just because the problem doesn't happen to you doesn't automatically mean that there isn't a very real problem for others.</P> <P> </P> <P>Charm has been broken by various patches and updates multiple times over the past year+ and just because you choose to use selective memory to forget those instances doesn't mean they didn't happen.</P>