Lyceum Dps

[VainDragon2]

<DIV> <DIV>Hi, i'm trying to establish a high-end baseline for DPS for an entire lyceum run.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Could any high-end raiding Coercer post your DPS for a complete Lyceum run.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>thanks.</DIV></DIV>

[Tanatus]

<DIV>On packs around 2.5-3K DPS (thats of course include pet-zerker do around 1600-1900 DPS)</DIV>

[VainDragon2]

<DIV>how bout average zone dps for you?</DIV>

[Roriondesexiest]

<DIV>There are pets to charm in Lyceum?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>hmm was invited to a raid there this weekend, might have to go now.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>How about labs?  Anthing worthwhile charming in there?  I am just getting into raiding a bit.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Morthore]

<blockquote><hr>Tanatus wrote:<DIV>On packs around 2.5-3K DPS (thats of course include pet-zerker do around 1600-1900 DPS)</DIV><hr></blockquote> How many times do you die/get others killed doing this?

[Aoi]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Morthore wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tanatus wrote:<BR> <DIV>On packs around 2.5-3K DPS (thats of course include pet-zerker do around 1600-1900 DPS)</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>How many times do you die/get others killed doing this?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Actually, the risk is not as high as you might think.  Those mobs that <EM>are</EM> charmable can be killed by the raid in a matter of seconds.</P> <P>I would think you stand the chance of getting one shotted when the charm breaks, but that's true of many zones (raid or otherwise).</P> <P>Not all mobs tagged as epic are truly such.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Cyene</P>

[Tanatus]

<P>Actually I die 3 time ... always  (heh Possesion FTW for 1 fight here...)</P> <P>Dude I can withstand melee attack of my pet for several rounds (raid buffed I have mit/avoidance almost like a monk lol 2600 mit/56% avoidance). Plus since pets are heroic .... mobs are mezable/stunnable. Plus FYI last fight if you have pet from hallway (8 heroic zerkers encounter) goes much smoothly</P> <P>Anyway for a Labs - there is no good pets afaik charmable only blobs (useless)</P> <P>Mark 4 - same zerker type like in LOA mobs FTW</P> <P> </P>

[Andu]

<P>This thread started useful but got sidetracked by [Removed for Content] measurements.</P> <P>I am trying to get my DPS up but struggling to get past 400 consistently. Since we normally get put in the MT group, of which the makeup is fairly consistent between guilds, we should be able to narrow down what it is that makes such a huge difference.</P>

[Mage-Apprentice]

<DIV>Being placed in the MT-group and not using a pet, I did in the 600's of dps (forgot my exact number, thought 672)</DIV>

[Tanatus]

<P>Your DPS heavy relay on your AA spec and on your gear</P> <P>Highest DPS you will get with AGI (Perpentuality) + INT (Criticial Hits) in conjuction with many damage proc on hostile spell gear. Having all above should keep you in range of 800-1000DPS</P> <P>If you are MT coercer it is expected that you support healers with Emphatic Aura (+14% to crit heals) thus you oughta sacrofice either AGI or INT (I choose INT) with Maxed Crits and 2 procing items (Orb of Evocer + Grizz stick) I am pretty much able sustein petless 500-720DPS depending on encounter with sparks of 1K+ in LOA</P> <P>It is good to have "classic" MT group set up that included Dirge who give you spell haste and +7.5% more critical</P> <P>Second most important factor for your DPS if your raid force have brigands - Dispatch is FTW for casters DPS</P>

[Raidi Sovin'faile]

<P>That's really the key... if you are going to be in the MT group, then you'll likely be stuck with needing to spend at least 16 points on the Stamina line (4, 4, <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> for the heal crit %.</P> <P>After that, you can do whatever for DPS. Int (4, 4, 4 <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> for crits and Agi (4, <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> for 30% spell haste... or Perpetuality full out instead.</P> <P> </P> <P>Oh, also.. average zone DPS is tough to figure out in Lyceum, since we can't name our pets. So the damage done by an allied mob will be hard to track down over the course of the zone.</P> <P>If you want a good indication of Coercer <EM>personal</EM> DPS, then any other raid without charm will pretty much let you know how well we do.</P> <P>I've recently come across more and more fabled, so I spec'd out of the Wisdom line for Int and Agi... so far it's meant a jump from 400 avg DPS in MT group, to ~600 avg DPS. This is personal DPS of course..</P><p>Message Edited by Raidi Sovin'faile on <span class=date_text>09-04-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:30 PM</span>

[AdiX__Styxx__]

<P>yea i went to lyceum other day i got 35 AA so dont have the crits maxed yet but i do have perpentuality i was dpsing roughly around 700-1000 sustained on average!</P> <P>And to know i dont have crits yet.</P> <P>Now the MT coercer has a lotta proc items and has the crit to heal and the agi line fully specced nothing in int line i think but has the hate buff too. She was consistently parsing 1 k to 1400 sometimes like 500 but that was only when she stepped in late she afks a lot during boring raids!</P> <P>anyways coercer = DPS class to me anyways</P>

[Mage-Apprentice]

I rather see numbers from fellow coercers if it is litterly averaged from all fights, not saying on several fights number X, to me there is a big difference in that.

[Raidi Sovin'faile]

<P>The other problem is that a lot of our DPS is based on reactives... and group based.</P> <P>Against single targets, with mobs that are blue to the MT, and the MT is raid equipped, our DPS is gonna suck... but put us against yellow con stuff with an average tank, and bammo.. DPS through the roof.</P> <P>Basically... if you are finding that a lot of your reactives aren't finished by the time you can recast them, your DPS is gonna be a lot lower than it <STRONG>could</STRONG> be. Also.. zones with lots of groups (lyceum is yet another zone like that), will give us a higher average.</P> <P> </P> <P>With my new job, i've cut back on playing a lot.. so my personal DPS has been limited to Labs... so 600 personal is in that context. I'm sure it could be a higher average in Lyceum. Even higher I could respec to DPS, but who's counting.</P><p>Message Edited by Raidi Sovin'faile on <span class=date_text>09-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:10 PM</span>

[Tanatus]

<DIV>Our DPS also heavy relay on type of fights</DIV> <DIV>In the labs unless we killing something like Alzid uncaged or Alzid Prime or Corsalander we pretty much screwed because we heavy relay on reactives.... In order to get max performance DPS wise we need either MT get hit a lot (lol not really a case nowdays) or/and mobs have some sort of barrage/aoe attack. If you take out reactives you will left with 3 dots, 1 gimpiest nuke in game and couple moderate AoE with HUGE recast timer (Sonic and Ego)</DIV>

[Lleinen]

<P><FONT color=#ffffff>Name | Total Dmg | DPS | % of dmg Done                      ...if I ever dropped below 800 was because I was slightly afk or somethin</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ffffff>Linyen 45825 | 498.10 | 3%<BR>Linyen 106291 | 957.58 | 6%<BR>Linyen 72153 | 1265.84 | 8%<BR>Linyen 124945 | 1125.63 | 8%<BR>Linyen 79822 | 1228.03 | 8%<BR>Linyen 49682 | 903.31 | 6%<BR>Linyen 107853 | 1067.85 | 7%<BR>Linyen 61230 | 971.90 | 8%<BR>Linyen 129607 | 1098.36 | 8%<BR>Linyen 85155 | 1182.71 | 8%<BR>Linyen 77791 | 1080.43 | 7%<BR>Linyen 47079 | 855.98 | 6%<BR>Linyen 121087 | 1175.60 | 8%<BR>Linyen 72974 | 1057.59 | 7%<BR>Linyen 90930 | 988.37 | 6%<BR>Linyen 15231 | 354.21 | 2%<BR>Linyen 25195 | 839.83 | 7%<BR>Linyen 14266 | 570.64 | 4%<BR><BR>Essense of Fear<BR>Linyen 122101 | 1000.83 | 6%<BR>Linyen 101871 | 1008.62 | 6%<BR></FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ffffff>Gnorbl the Playful<BR>Linyen 211034 | 933.78 | 6%<BR>Linyen 72078 | 828.48 | 5%<BR>Linyen 102850 | 1008.33 | 5%<BR><BR>Gnillaw the Demented<BR>Linyen 132213 | 842.12 | 5%<BR>Linyen 159723 | 798.62 | 6%<BR>Linyen 92581 | 1076.52 | 6%<BR></FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ffffff>Villucidae the Priest of Thule (I died around 20% on this guy, when he goes into the resistance stance, lost a lot of DPS)<BR>Linyen 108118 | 364.03 | 3%</FONT></P> <P> </P> <P>So unless I borked up my math really bad I had an <STRONG>AVG DPS = 929.01 DPS</STRONG> (may have missed 1 or 2 encounters, pulled out what I could)</P><p>Message Edited by Lleinen on <span class=date_text>09-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:03 AM</span>

[Kiterra]

<P>Average dps for lyceum last week.... I posted this so you could not only see where a coercer's average parse should be in lyceum but where you should be as compared to your fellow classes. Oh, and this is me in the mt group petless obviously.</P> <P><FONT size=2>Lyceum - 9/3 - EXT DPS - Trash Only<BR><BR>Allies: (30:11) 30793305 | 17003.48 [Wizard-Fusion-28652]<BR>Assassin 2686299 | 1483.32<BR>Necro 2568538 | 1418.30<BR>Swashie 2510271 | 1386.12<BR>Conj1 2496583 | 1378.57<BR>Conj2 2267680 | 1252.17<BR>Wizzie 1977971 | 1092.20<BR>Dirge 1913694 | 1056.71<BR>SK 1759092 | 971.34<BR>Monk 1691684 | 934.12<BR><STRONG><FONT color=#ff9933>ME 1641167 | 906.22<BR></FONT></STRONG>Bruiser 1634620 | 902.61<BR>Brigand 1625382 | 897.51<BR>illu 1560152 | 861.49<BR>coercer 1088953 | 601.30<BR>pally 907717 | 501.22<BR>...Healerz and stuff below this...<BR>Lyceum - 9/3 - EXT DPS - Zonewide including nameds<BR><BR>Allies: (42:21) 41004682 | 16137.22 [Wizard-Fusion-28652]<BR>Assassin 3712614 | 1461.08<BR>Necro 3327199 | 1309.41<BR>Conj1 3280337 | 1290.96<BR>Swashie 3203532 | 1260.74<BR>Conj2 2979976 | 1172.76<BR>Wizzie 2730620 | 1074.62<BR>Dirge 2529285 | 995.39<BR>SK 2297223 | 904.06<BR>Monk 2251114 | 885.92<BR>Brigand 2207093 | 868.59<BR>Bruiser 2142416 | 843.14<BR><STRONG><FONT color=#ff9933>ME 2006484 | 789.64 (im on flowers for villucidae, cuts my dps down)</FONT></STRONG><BR>illu 1981204 | 779.69<BR>coercer 1394551 | 548.82<BR>pally 1240715 | 488.28<BR>...Healers and stuff below this...</FONT></P><p>Message Edited by Kiterra on <span class=date_text>09-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:26 PM</span>

[Roriondesexiest]

<DIV>What kind of DPS do you guys see in Labs and Deathtoll?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>ROFL I parse ahead of the healers and that is about it, around 200 dps in both those zones.  I am always in the MT or MA group so not getting any real offensive buffs.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am set up with Wis and Sta AA's and Have Sonic Boom AD3, Auspex M1, Spell Scourge M1 & Marred Psyche M1 For damage.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I do cast gorging thoughts every time it is up for the power regen and throw out stuns here and there + ManaFlow so I am not 100% dps'ing.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I keep my dot's and reactives up and cast the 2 dd spells when they are up, I only cast Sonic Boom when I am 100% sure I am not going to pull adds.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So just wondering how you guys are putting up some of these numbers, I have never been to Lyceum so I don't have those numbers to compare to.</DIV><p>Message Edited by dalessit on <span class=date_text>09-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:21 AM</span>

[claimabstra]

<DIV>Dalessit,  your sig is awesome!  She is hawt!  I love the wink.</DIV>

[Raidi Sovin'faile]

<DIV>I've got the Agi line (30% cast) and Int line (11% crit) so I'm parsing a chunk better than I used to with the Wis AA line. Now that I have masters for my control spells, and lots of resists gear/fabled, I don't need that Wis line anymore.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So last time I did deathtoll, I was parsing as high as 700-800 DPS (personal, extDPS just tells you how quick on the draw you are). On average for the zone I only parsed just under 500, but that had to do with lots of little dinky encounters that died too fast for my DPS to really kick in... or where the MT rarely got hit (loss of reactive damage).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Oh, and this was in the MT group. We had a Pally MT with Amends on a Wizard, so I was getting some wizard group buffs.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'd imagine that if I completed the claymore line, and maybe grabbed a few extra fabled drops, I could get some more proc gear and parse in the 1k region on the high end. Even better (or more reliably) if I spec'd AAs purely for damage, and was put in a DPS group (troub, casters, etc).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>However, I'm still brought to the raid for my regen and hate management. This would just be icing.</DIV>