LU 25

[Roriondesexiest]

<DIV><STRONG>Mage changes:<BR></STRONG>- Illusionist: Aspect of Thought: Group mental resistance will not apply to charmed enemies.<BR>- Coercer: Power of Mind: Group mental resistance will not apply to charmed enemies.<BR></DIV> <DIV>Did we ever determine it this would affect priest buffs as well?</DIV>

[sanosuke]

not sure about priest buffs but I was trying out my coercer and i notice power of mind icon still showing up on my charmed mobs..  it doesnt look like this fix went through.. anyone else?<div></div>

[spammy]

it would be very hard to tell if it is working, as we dont know whether they completely took mental buffs off our pets, or just made the added mental resistance not affect the mobs chance to break charm. also, they could have put the fix in, and left the icon there.<div></div>

[Belaythien]

<div><blockquote><hr>spammy wrote:it would be very hard to tell if it is working, as we dont know whether they completely took mental buffs off our pets, or just made the added mental resistance not affect the mobs chance to break charm. also, they could have put the fix in, and left the icon there.<div></div><hr></blockquote>How about a duel between two coercers (or any mental damage dealing class)? You could compare damage dealt to the pet with and without the mental resistance buff. Unfortunately I don't know a second coercer/illu to test this <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[Jerdan]

Well, in my opinion, since the Power of Mind line gives power, magic, divine, and mental resists, it could be that your pet is still getting hit with the buff but with mit vs mental = 0.

[Juna]

<DIV>All tests solo:</DIV> <DIV>With the buff-</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Pet breaks 20 min master charm with 10 trials</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Duration</DIV> <DIV>1 min</DIV> <DIV>5 min</DIV> <DIV>18 min</DIV> <DIV>5 min</DIV> <DIV>10 min</DIV> <DIV>10 min</DIV> <DIV>1 min</DIV> <DIV>3 min</DIV> <DIV>14 min</DIV> <DIV>10 min</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Without buff</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Duration</DIV> <DIV>20 min</DIV> <DIV>20 min</DIV> <DIV>17 min</DIV> <DIV>20 min</DIV> <DIV>10 min</DIV> <DIV>20 min</DIV> <DIV>16 min</DIV> <DIV>3 min</DIV> <DIV>20 min</DIV> <DIV>15 min</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don't think it works.</DIV>

[Roriondesexiest]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Junare wrote:<BR> <DIV>All tests solo:</DIV> <DIV>With the buff-</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Pet breaks 20 min master charm with 10 trials</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Duration</DIV> <DIV>1 min</DIV> <DIV>5 min</DIV> <DIV>18 min</DIV> <DIV>5 min</DIV> <DIV>10 min</DIV> <DIV>10 min</DIV> <DIV>1 min</DIV> <DIV>3 min</DIV> <DIV>14 min</DIV> <DIV>10 min</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Without buff</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Duration</DIV> <DIV>20 min</DIV> <DIV>20 min</DIV> <DIV>17 min</DIV> <DIV>20 min</DIV> <DIV>10 min</DIV> <DIV>20 min</DIV> <DIV>16 min</DIV> <DIV>3 min</DIV> <DIV>20 min</DIV> <DIV>15 min</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don't think it works.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Great analysis,</P> <P>What con was the mob to you?  Also, what type of mb?<BR></P>

[nscragg]

<P>hmmm.. even before LU25 I had a much more reliable charm than you are depicting.  Are you sure there isn't an Inquisitor standing somewhere that you aren't aware of? <cure arcane>  =)</P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by nscragg on <span class=date_text>07-15-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:01 PM</span>

[Tanatus]

<DIV>Yes that was Apprentice 1 charm I presume </DIV> <DIV>With master 1 charm resistance buff never affected duration of charm - only thing that do affect duration of the charm is resistance that had mob on the moment of charm ...</DIV> <DIV>Aka if you debuff mob with Marred Psy - no matter what kind of buff you use on raid on within group - pet will stay with ya for full 30 min most of the times (except cases then pet have higher lvl then you - let say lvl 73 amilogan berserkers in LOA tend to rebel in less then 30 min)</DIV>

[Apathyloves]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Junare wrote:<div>All tests solo:</div><div>With the buff-</div><div> </div><div>Pet breaks 20 min master charm with 10 trials</div><div> </div><div>Duration</div><div>1 min</div><div>5 min</div><div>18 min</div><div>5 min</div><div>10 min</div><div>10 min</div><div>1 min</div><div>3 min</div><div>14 min</div><div>10 min</div><div> </div><div>Without buff</div><div> </div><div>Duration</div><div>20 min</div><div>20 min</div><div>17 min</div><div>20 min</div><div>10 min</div><div>20 min</div><div>16 min</div><div>3 min</div><div>20 min</div><div>15 min</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div>I don't think it works.</div><hr></blockquote>Bit of stats 101... Mean of with buff                                    7.700000Mean of without buff                              16.100000         Standard Deviation of with buff             5.657836Standard Deviation of without buff        5.646041Large Sample Standard Deviation        2.527625t-statistic                                               -3.323278degrees-of-freedom                             17.999922p-value                                                   0.003782Or...Among two samples of 10 trials, there is evidence to suggest that the mean difference between a group having the divine resitance buff and a group without having a divine resistance buff is statistically significat at the .05 level (p=0.003782)Or...It so doesn't work.nektulos.willbender<div></div>

[OlaeviaTraisharan]

Yeah I noticed this weekend that my coercer's pets were *not* happy when I had the mental resistance buff up. I took it down and they went back to lasting for near or at the full duration of the charm. This is an Adept 3 Coerce spell... still can't find the master anywhere <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />With the buff, my pets would resist charm in under 3-5 minutes.<div></div>

[Dorein]

Anyone been down to HoF recently? Seems as if they hit the Cents and Zerkers with a big ole nerf bat. Pet not nearly as effective as it used to be. Raerosk 70 Berzerker Lucan D'Lere Esci 70 Coercer Lucan D'Lere <div></div>

[Tanatus]

<DIV>I have been yestoday - all looks normal...</DIV> <DIV>lvl 71 destoyer still able steal agro from lvl 70 MT zerker who have Enraging Demeanor M1 (+49% hate) on him <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV>Aka lvl 71 destoyer still do ~900-1100DPS (under Domination M1)</DIV>

[Dagator]

<DIV>When down in stormhold last night, with my 22 coercer, (first time I had ever grouped him), I had a torrent skellie for a pet.  When in the group, it would only last 1 to 3 minutes, (adept 3 coerce).  I realized the templar in group had his mental buff up on group.  Had him drop it and pet lasted for whole 20 mins.  Had him recast it just to see, right after I put coerce on new pet, and it last about one minute.  I had to leave the group cause for some reason the temp needed to have that buff up?  sigh...  </DIV>