Any point in solo coercer after LU 24?

[Mareth]

So last week I made a coercer, why? I've heard they were good for soloing, not quick, but good.Having played a wizzy to level 50 (who couldn't solo much at all before level 45 (that might've been player skill of course<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />)), I was quite used to being killed by green heroics. I wanted to try something better than that.Anyway, with the new changes proposed over at the Combat board, it seems that Coercers will be better in raid, and less good for soloers.But then, my coercer is only level 10, so I'm not really into the whole thing quite yet, so could any of you enlighten me as to what this means precicely?<div></div>

[Viohlen]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> LordSarig wrote:<BR>So last week I made a coercer, why? I've heard they were good for soloing, not quick, but good.<BR><BR>Having played a wizzy to level 50 (who couldn't solo much at all before level 45 (that might've been player skill of course<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />)), I was quite used to being killed by green heroics. I wanted to try something better than that.<BR><BR>Anyway, with the new changes proposed over at the Combat board, it seems that Coercers will be better in raid, and less good for soloers.<BR><BR>But then, my coercer is only level 10, so I'm not really into the whole thing quite yet, so could any of you enlighten me as to what this means precicely?<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>What exactly are you talking about?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You can still mez non-epic mobs.  You can still root, you can still stun, you can still charm.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Where do we lose our ability to solo heroics?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What we do lose is our ability to keep a Group of mobs perma-mezzed with 1 spell.  So avoid adds.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Tanatus]

<DIV>It wont affect solo at all</DIV>

[Mareth]

I was talking about all the people whining in the dev thread about not being able to solo as effectivly anymore, hence, I asked for clarification here. Thanks, I think.<div></div>

[Tanatus]

<DIV>Oki here is your answer while solo even if you solo multiple heroic ENCOUNTERS at same you do not relay on AoE mez  .... never did btw. AoE mez was question of convinience - you can do same things with single target mez and root-mez (yes our root have 12s mez applied on impact). It pretty much like reverting Clarity line from infinitive duration on single target 10 min recast timer</DIV>

[Pins]

<blockquote><hr>LordSarig wrote:I was talking about all the people whining in the dev thread about not being able to solo as effectivly anymore, hence, I asked for clarification here. Thanks, I think.<div></div><hr></blockquote>They didn't read the post in its entirity and just started making stupid/uninformed comments. There are no changes to non-raiding Enchanters besides the AoE Mez change. Everything else based on that post is not being changed.

[Viohlen]

<DIV>Here's a better clarification:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Here's one of a coercer's techniques to solo a single heroic ^^^:</STRONG></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Charm mob A, root mob B</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Send mob A at mob B, start stuns</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Start damage during stuns</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Continue to chain stuns, when stuns run out, back off pet and root or mez (if you aren't using DoT's)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Wait for stuns to refresh.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Start again at 'Send mob A at mob B, start stuns'</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Rinse, repeat, mezzing/stunning to regen mana as needed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>For multiple mob encounters:</STRONG></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>AOE mez encounter</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mez individual mobs in encounter</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Send pet in on one mob and root/stun mob like in scenario above til mob is dead, make sure to refresh mezzes on encounter (we won't be able to use our encounter mez in this scenario after LU24, but we still have root, stun and single target mez to CC these adds)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Continue until all mobs are dead.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Mareth]

Alright, thanks for all the great answers <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Now I'll continue buying masters for my coercer then <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Encantador]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Viohlence wrote:<BR> <DIV>Here's a better clarification:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>.....................................</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>For multiple mob encounters:</STRONG></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>AOE mez encounter</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mez individual mobs in encounter</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Send pet in on one mob and root/stun mob like in scenario above til mob is dead, make sure to refresh mezzes on encounter (we won't be able to use our encounter mez in this scenario after LU24, but we still have root, stun and single target mez to CC these adds)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Continue until all mobs are dead.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>This is the step that worries people ... and of course if we have to re-group mezz. Admittedly we have to be talking 3 ^ uparrow mobs or 4 plain mobs ... but if one or more resist they hurt if you do not have raid quality gear.</P> <P><BR> </P>

[Viohlen]

<blockquote><hr>encanta wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Viohlence wrote: <div>Here's a better clarification:</div> <div> </div> <div>.....................................</div> <div> </div> <div><strong>For multiple mob encounters:</strong></div> <div> </div> <div><font color="#ff0000">AOE mez encounter</font></div> <div> </div> <div>Mez individual mobs in encounter</div> <div> </div> <div>Send pet in on one mob and root/stun mob like in scenario above til mob is dead, make sure to refresh mezzes on encounter (we won't be able to use our encounter mez in this scenario after LU24, but we still have root, stun and single target mez to CC these adds)</div> <div> </div> <div>Continue until all mobs are dead.</div> <div> </div> <hr> </blockquote> <p>This is the step that worries people ... and of course if we have to re-group mezz. Admittedly we have to be talking 3 ^ uparrow mobs or 4 plain mobs ... but if one or more resist they hurt if you do not have raid quality gear.</p> <hr></blockquote> Don't use AOE mez to regroup mez anymore, have to use single target mez, and root.  Significant change against multi-mob encounters but does it mean that I can't lock down 3-5 ^^^ mobs?  Nope, still can crowd control those like its going outta style. <div></div>