My fellow Coercers, please be patient.

[TeveLeezardba]

Guys, they know we're mad - but I think any further complaining will just make us look like children flailing our arms and screaming in a grocery store. So lets give them a little time(though they've had alot already), and see if they address anything in the next week or two.

[Tanatus]

<P>Wrong....</P> <P>Long talks did us nowether and got us nerfed instead of fixing you know it I l know it - everyone here know it. Jihad on Spells and Abilities on countary got us attention of developers so if you really want to get fixed you gota keep Jihad going</P><p>Message Edited by Tanatus on <span class=date_text>03-17-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:01 AM</span>

[kil5t3]

I'm going to say this here, this one time: Tan, you should use a different, less currently political term than, "Jihad." It's bad for your image and the fact that you represent the Coercer community (to whatever degree) means that it affects the rest of us. I do not seek to question your outspoken-ness, just your choice of words.Oh yeah, sorry for the jack!<p>Message Edited by kil5t3lr on <span class=date_text>03-17-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:09 PM</span>

[Tanatus]

<DIV>Well I can use term war for establishing democracy and free election in SOE if you want... rofl...</DIV>

[kil5t3]

I knew you'd retain a sense of humor! :smileyhappy:<p>Message Edited by kil5t3lr on <span class=date_text>03-17-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:53 PM</span>

[Sikek]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TeveLeezardbane wrote:<BR>Guys, they know we're mad - but I think any further complaining will just make us look like children flailing our arms and screaming in a grocery store. So lets give them a little time(though they've had alot already), and see if they address anything in the next week or two.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>You think the Sorcs got a quick fix by sitting on hands and waiting for the devs to take there time and sort everything out? No, they screamed and whined as loud as they could. When you do this, you get peoples attention. When you a company scared of losing large sums of cash, then people start to listen.</DIV> <DIV>Money talks, BS walks. </DIV>

[Orki who Pos]

<P>The thing to realize is..<FONT size=7> talk is cheap.</FONT></P> <P> </P> <P>2 months or so ago, sony posted that splitpaw would move to euro timezones..</P> <P>2 months or so ago sony posted they would evaluate all mage classes damage..</P> <P>3 months ago sony posted they were looking into arch-type damage balances (fighters were, and nearly still are, outdamaging everyone)</P> <P>3 months ago sony posted they would look into healer balance..</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>Basically, if you think that just because sony posts they are aware of the issue, and looking into it, that it will go away, i got something to sell you....</P> <P>3 years ago sony posted that they were looking into monks defense in eq1.. (now it's getting fixed)</P> <P>4 years ago sony posted they were looking into making eq1 magician pets usefull on most raids..</P> <P>You get the picture?</P> <P> </P>

[url0]

<span><span><blockquote><hr>Orki who Posts wrote: <p> 3 years ago sony posted that they were looking into monks defense in eq1.. (now it's getting fixed) </p><p>4 years ago sony posted they were looking into making eq1 magician pets usefull on most raids..</p> <p>You get the picture?</p> </blockquote></span>Nail on the Head Orki! As a former EQ1 magician,  I rolled a new enchanter and lvled to 65 because mages were soo gimped on raids. Sony Online Entertainment  is a business that has internal priorities that we will never be able to reliably predict.  They will not admit to their customers that issues are beyond their ability to understand/comprehend/react to  etc.   Do to financial,  workload,  staffing, skillsets etc.  I'm not trying to justify what they do, but as customers we have very very specific needs, and as an entertainment provider they have a very broad range of expectations that they constantly try to juggle and present in the most favorable manner.   Thus far I think they have done an admirable job.  I'd go so far as to say they have been OVER reacting and creating more work for themselves,  thus,  in our eyes, digging themselves in deeper. Their biggest issues is customer/account attraction and retentions.  If those 2 goals are not being met,  you can be sure that 80% of their effort is being put fourth to acheive those revenue goals.  my 2 cp </span>

[Tanatus]

<DIV>haha ppl why you think once I hit mark 50 on my coercer I have immideatly rolled on warlock?</DIV> <DIV>As it stand now I realy enjoy my twinki to play ...</DIV> <DIV>At lvl 24 its great for grouping (melee love accord + venomous runes) and great for solo (imagine that killing green ++ take less then 60 second - cannt say it very safe but helua fun</DIV>

[Azmode]

The problem with rerolling once your not happy with your class is that SOE does not care.  As long as you pay the money every month, they are in no rush to fix classes. Now.... if you dont like your class and feel like its gimped beyond belief AND cancel your account SOE may listen.  Money talks.  Just imagine if ALL the Coercers canceled their accounts.  

[Signal9]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Azmodeus wrote:<BR>The problem with rerolling once your not happy with your class is that SOE does not care.  As long as you pay the money every month, they are in no rush to fix classes. Now.... if you dont like your class and feel like its gimped beyond belief AND cancel your account SOE may listen.  Money talks.  <STRONG>Just imagine if ALL the Coercers canceled their accounts.</STRONG>   <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Heh.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am currently the 62nd Coercer on Mistmoore to make 33rd. . .</DIV>

[kil5t3]

<DIV>Then there wouldn't be anyone around to care what they did with the class. :smileyvery-happy: ... :smileysad:</DIV>

[Tanatus]

<DIV>Well let put this way ...</DIV> <DIV>Maximum raiding party have size of 24 person</DIV> <DIV>Minimum you want have 1 CC/crackdealer maximum 2  - 3 enchanter on the raid its already overkill and problem with stacking</DIV> <DIV>As it stands now most raiding guilds have already 2-3 lvl 45+ enchanters so SOE need efficiently kill any extras or more problem will arise (stackability) Numbers of Illusionists is higher, efficiency for raid higher so SOE can safely put coercers on ignore w/o hurting game at all</DIV> <DIV>Major problem for SOE with coercer that they created class that they dont know what to do about. We are weak at CC, our utility not so good. DPS laughable...</DIV> <DIV>Personally I'd love to see serious improvement coercer as offensive enchanter - debuffs, stifles, powerdrains, stuns, charm - that is the area where we should be superior over any other classes </DIV>

[Azmode]

LOL yea good point.  If all Coercers canceled their accounts, SOE would not lose much money since NOBODY Plays Coercers.   <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Dranlin19]

For the record, I canceled over a month ago. Still no upgrades! <span>:smileymad:</span> <div></div>

[Sy]

<span><blockquote><hr>TeveLeezardbane wrote:Guys, they know we're mad - but I think any further complaining will just make us look like children flailing our arms and screaming in a grocery store. So lets give them a little time(though they've had alot already), and see if they address anything in the next week or two.<hr></blockquote> Well.. im sick of waiting.. my guy sucks... and he is pumped up full of adepts and masters.  Next big patch better have coercer update. </span><div></div>

[Sy]

<span><blockquote><hr>EE2DAC6EPQ3NTN2HM83X wrote:<div> <blockquote> <hr> TeveLeezardbane wrote:Guys, they know we're mad - but I think any further complaining will just make us look like children flailing our arms and screaming in a grocery store. So lets give them a little time(though they've had alot already), and see if they address anything in the next week or two. <hr> </blockquote>You think the Sorcs got a quick fix by sitting on hands and waiting for the devs to take there time and sort everything out? No, they screamed and whined as loud as they could. When you do this, you get peoples attention. When you a company scared of losing large sums of cash, then people start to listen.</div> <div>Money talks, BS walks. </div><hr></blockquote>Did you pick the login name yourself?</span><div></div>

[TeveLeezardba]

Guys, its not that I'm pleased or even satisfied - but it doesn't seem like our little bout on the Spells/Combat Arts forum did much.  You honestly think the only reason we were "balanced" was because Mayo complained till he was blue in the face?  How could the developers even consider anything Mayo says as truth?  His numbers are wrong, and his statements are nothing but speculation and arguement.  He had no foundation for the supposed "point" he made.  He just threw numbers up randomly to make them sound bad. I don't think we need our Power Taps to be as strong as they were, but I hate what they've done to them - They're useless.  But complaining doesn't seem to do much aside from aggrivate the developers. And yes, our class has so many holes in it, its almost not worth playing. But tell me this, how complaining and quarrelling is going to help anything?  Do you really think the developers spend the time reading stupid arguements between the people on the forums? <div></div>

[Ogrelicio]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tanatus wrote:<BR> <DIV>Well let put this way ...</DIV> <DIV>Maximum raiding party have size of 24 person</DIV> <DIV>Minimum you want have 1 CC/crackdealer maximum 2  - 3 enchanter on the raid its already overkill and problem with stacking</DIV> <DIV>As it stands now most raiding guilds have already 2-3 lvl 45+ enchanters so SOE need efficiently kill any extras or more problem will arise (stackability) Numbers of Illusionists is higher, efficiency for raid higher so SOE can safely put coercers on ignore w/o hurting game at all</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>I fear there's a lot of truth to this.</DIV>

[Inkant]

<DIV>Here's my own tangent, jump on me at will!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I've played one MMORPG or another constantly since EQ1 launched.  I have been a hardcore player, a casual player, and even a Correspondent in SWG.  Thoughought my time playing MMORPGs from VARIOUS companies I have learned one thing:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Do what you have fun doing, and don't waste one second of one minute waiting for the developers to fix anything.</STRONG> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Whether this means a different class, a different game, or just taking a break from the forums because you *do* enjoy your class except when you come here to talk about its problems.....  It's your money, spend it wisely. </DIV>

[outputrotati]

<DIV>Patient?  Do you have any idea how long it took to fix demoralizing gaze so it wasn't the same spell as psychic wail?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>A seemingly simple bug that never should have gotten through QA, and would have taken 2 seconds to fix took 5 months to fix.  Do you have any idea how long it will take to get any real progress done on our class?</DIV>