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Nibbl
03-11-2005, 01:45 AM
<DIV><FONT size=2>I have noticed that we are spread very thin on key abilities with no real "niche" in the world of EQ2 where we excel. I wanted to do my best of laying out or varries roles so we can take a larger look at what spells we have to use and where we could use the largest boost in abilities.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>*Some spells overlap so I put them in the best fit catagory (e.g. Gloom does DoT but later on is mainly used as a debuff)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=2>Direct Damage Line (DD)</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Line 1) Lighting Burst (1) -- Mind Jolt (17) -- Muddled Thinking (26) -- Seizure (43)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Line 2) Ego Shock (11) -- Ego Strike (23) -- Ego Blast (39) </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Line 3) Despotic Mind (2<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> -- Tyrannical Mind (42) </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=2>Area of Effect Damage Line (AoE)</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Storm of Lightning (<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> -- Simple Minds (24) -- Discomfiting Gaze (33) -- Demoralizing Gaze (50)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=2>Reactive DD Line</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Empathic Link (35) -- Synergetic Link (49)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=2>Reactive AoE Line</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Sibyllant (23) -- Haruspex (37)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>Damage Over Time Line (DoT)</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Static Pulse (3) -- Despair (42)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>DoT w/ Power Drain Line</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Cerebreal Spasms (15) -- Anguish (31)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>Debuff Line w/ DoT</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Gloom (14) -- Melancholy (2<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>Debuff Line</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Ravaged Psyche (45)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>Power Regen Line</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Breeze (1<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> -- Refresh (33) -- Clarity (46) -- Mind's Eye (4<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>Power Regen DoT for Group</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Consuming Thoughts (32) -- Devouring Thoughts (46)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> <DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>Single Target Mesmerize Line</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Fascinate (10) -- Mesmerize (22) -- Enthrall (3<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>AoE Mesmerize Line</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Terrible Awe (25) -- Dreadful Awe (39)</FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>Shielding Line</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Magi's Shielding (4) -- Gift of the Magi (7) -- Power of Suggestion (21) -- Exhortation (35)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>Buff Line</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Signet of Intuition (12) -- Signet of Insight (29) -- Signet of Realization (40) -- Instigation (49) </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>Stun Line</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Short - Stupefy (1<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> -- Bewilder (30) -- Perplexity (41)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Long - </FONT><FONT size=2><FONT size=2>Daunting Gaze (13) -- Unnerving Stare (27) -- Eerie Focus (41)</FONT></DIV> <DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>AoE Stun Line</STRONG></DIV> <DIV>Psychic Wail (50)</DIV></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>Stifle Line</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Overwhelming Silence (16) -- Withering Silence (30) -- Agonizing Silence (44)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>Haste Line</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Recklessness (20) -- Bravado (34) -- Velocity (4<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>Root Line</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Arcane Bindings (5) -- Binding Light (19) -- Forced Hesitation (36) -- Fatal Hesitation (47)</FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>Health to Power Line</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Consume Ego (13) -- Essence of Fluctuation (27) -- Transference (44)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>Charm Line</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Beguile (37)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>Invis Line</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Veil of Unseen (13) -- Ignore (32) -- Disregard (47)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> <DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>Cure Line</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Cure Arcane (6) -- Dispell Arcane (9) </FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>Oddball Spells</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Annoying Demeanor (3<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Reek of Terrror (43) </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>See Invis (9)  </FONT></DIV> <P>Message Edited by Nibbles on <SPAN class=date_text>03-11-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:57 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Nibbles on <span class=date_text>03-11-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:04 AM</span>
Tanatus
03-11-2005, 01:59 AM
<DIV>You messed up a lot things </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>DD</DIV> <DIV>we have 3 discret line of nukes</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ego Shock-Ego Strike-Ego Blast</DIV> <DIV>Lighting Shock-Mind Jold-Muddled Thinking-Seizure</DIV> <DIV>Despotic Mind Tyrranical Mind</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>AE</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Lighting Storm-Simple Minds-Discomforting Gaze-Demoralizing Gaze</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Dots</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Static Pulse-Gloom-Melancholy-Despair</DIV> <DIV>Cerberal Spasm-Anguish-Torment</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Long Duration Stun</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Daunting Gaze - Unnerving Stare - Eerie Focus</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Short Duration Stun</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Stupefy-Bewilder-Perplexity</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>AE stun</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Psychic Wail</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>
Nibbl
03-11-2005, 02:22 AM
<DIV>Ok made some fixs...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also I know we have different lines of DD spells but the main compenent is DD so I lumped them all in 1 section to keep the list from being too spread out.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What level is Torment anyhow? I dont even have that spell on my list!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for Gloom and Melancholy, I put those in their own catagory as they main use later on is debuffing a mob for large DD spells to land</DIV> <P>Does the list look closer now?</P><p>Message Edited by Nibbles on <span class=date_text>03-10-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:31 PM</span>
Tanatus
03-11-2005, 02:33 AM
<DIV>Its a descret lines </DIV> <DIV>or from your list will looks like that Seizure is upgrade for Ego Blast ... which is not</DIV> <DIV>or if may forms false impression that Despair is not upgrade for Melancholy and those 2 dots not share same timer and not overright each other</DIV> <DIV>Technically Gloom is sitting on separate timer with Melancholy and Despair for a reason its "enchantment" skill and Mel and Desp are "Protean"</DIV> <DIV>Btw if you look close on debuff component ...Despair Adept 3 1100-1650, cannt recall Melancholy, Gloom around 330-500 at Adept 3. Ravage Psyche 1100-1590</DIV> <DIV>Torment lvl 46 spell or 45.6 spell - btw check my post "Spell lets share impression" - I posted detailed discription on every single coercer spell from lvl 20 to lvl 50 and updated list as soon as I was getting new information</DIV>
Vlaven
03-11-2005, 02:49 AM
<DIV>The 3 AE you listed share the same timer. We dont have 3 AE, we choose 1 and that is it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>
Nibbl
03-12-2005, 12:02 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vlaven wrote:<BR> <DIV>The 3 AE you listed share the same timer. We dont have 3 AE, we choose 1 and that is it.<BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I made the lines of spells which mean that once you get one, you cant use the others in that line (or atleast that is how I am trying to set this list up)</P> <P>I updated this list to try and show the different lines here and which item is a direct upgrade to anotehr spell while still grouping them in some sort of fashion.</P> <P> </P> <P>Once I get this list nailed down, I think the enxt step it to start with Damage lines (and work from there) to list power and damage at (Adept 1) levels per spell descriptions in game. This will give a very clear view on how the scaling of all our spell lines are out of whack and maybe give a starting spot.</P> <P>In the slim chance of a development person seesthis thread - is there somewhere we can get the direct numbers that each spell shuold have in out line at Adept 1?<BR></P>