Are there ANY spells lvl 40-50 that are even moderately worth Adept III?

[Clarat]

<DIV>I'm looking to see if there are any spells worth the 1.5pp Ruby ugprade to Adept III.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Specifically interested in </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Velocity - Lvl 48 - 37% haste @ Adept 1</DIV> <DIV>Mind's Eye - Lvl 48 - 34 power every 4.5 seconds @ Apprentice II.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>To see a good waste of dough,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://members.shaw.ca/laughingswordfish/EQ2_000015.jpg"></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Yes, my 1.5pp gets me +10 more to mental (My mental is 3600 with self buffs, thats .0027% increase by going to adept 3) and if that proc works +10 more to power (My power is 3200).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm not sure if this is 'working as intended', but for the shear cost or time involved in getting a T5 rare, is the spell really susposed to be an extremely minimal upgrade?</DIV>

[Tanatus]

<DIV>Oh ya many of em worth it....</DIV> <DIV>Tyrranical Mind</DIV> <DIV>Adept 1  cap 571</DIV> <DIV>Adept 3 cap 656</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Torment </DIV> <DIV>Adept 1 cap 97 (upon impact)</DIV> <DIV>Adept  3 cap 110 (upon impact)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Despair </DIV> <DIV>Adept 1 caps around 93 (upon impact)</DIV> <DIV>Adept 3 caps around 105 (upon impact)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Clarity </DIV> <DIV>Adept 1 caps around 40 power/6s</DIV> <DIV>Adept 3 caps around 53 power/6s</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mind Eye</DIV> <DIV>I havent upgraded it yet but have information that Adept 3 40 power/4.5s</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Upgrading Velocity will be total waste because guess what?</DIV> <DIV>Apprentice 1 Velocity at lvl 50 do same 37% haste Apprentice 1 = Adep 1 dont see a reason why Adept 3 will be any different...</DIV> <DIV>But if you want laugh .... Bravado Adept 1 have ..... 36% haste ...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>P.S. Rule of tomb for offensive spells Adept 1 to Adep 3 increase damage of spell by 10% meanwhile upgrading from Adept 3 to Master 1 improve damage of spell by 25% </DIV>

[outputrotati]

<DIV>Clarity</DIV> <DIV>Tyranical mind</DIV> <DIV>Despair</DIV> <DIV>Ravaged Psyche</DIV> <DIV>Agonizing Silence (i think it would be able to land on raid mobs right?)</DIV> <DIV>Seizure</DIV> <DIV>Minds Eye.</DIV> <DIV>Any concentration buff.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Tons of spells worth updating.</DIV>

[Tanatus]

<DIV>I'd exclude from your list any concetration buff for reason that Apprentice 1 about as good as Master 1 in all stats</DIV> <DIV>I'd exclude also Agonizing Silence - Adept 1 of this spell probably most common among all adepts from lvl 40 to 50 and you cannt land Agonizing Silence on any kind of raid mob - you can land Withering Silence thou</DIV>

[Klat]

<DIV>My Bravado adept 1 at lvl 37 shows +33% speed increase. Its possible that it improves by lvl? Still some time till master it (184 skill, master at 220 skill).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Klattu</DIV>

[Tanatus]

<DIV>Bravado at lvl 49 at Adept 1 shows 36% haste exactly same like Velocity</DIV>

[Clarat]

<DIV>Heya Tanatus, not sure where you are getting your numbers from.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I just upgraded my:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Clarity - Adept III - Max power +241, +40 power every 6 seconds</DIV> <DIV>Clarity - Adept 1 - Max power +235, +40 power every 6 seconds</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Net result for the cost of a ruby? +6 power to receipient.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mind's Eye - Adept III - Max power +48, +36 power every 4.5 seconds</DIV> <DIV>Mind's Eye - Apprentice II - Max power +36, +34 power every 4.5</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Net result? +12 to max power pool, and +2 power/4.5 over App2.  5% increase.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So unless the description of the spell is bugged, there is NO use to upgrade either spells.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Tanatus]

<DIV>About Clarity </DIV> <DIV>Several ppl here and on Illusionist forums reported that Adept 3 Insight = Adept 3 Clarity = 53 power/tic</DIV> <DIV>I havent upgrade Mind Eye yet </DIV> <DIV>What I did upgraded </DIV> <DIV>Despair, Torment, Tyrranical Mind  would upgrade Seizure if I would not have Muddled Thinking Master1</DIV> <DIV>Description on some spells is incorrect</DIV> <DIV>Torment Adept 3</DIV> <DIV>Written 106 upon impact 79 every 4 second for duration of spell (24s)</DIV> <DIV>Reality 107 upon impact 107 every tic for duration of spell</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Despair Adept 3</DIV> <DIV>Written 89-105 upon impact 62-76 every 4.8 second of duration of spell (24s)</DIV> <DIV>Reality 89-105 upon impact 89-105 every tic for duration of spell</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyhow I was always wonder why any person whould upgrade any none DPS spells into Adept 3 if Adept 1 wildly availble?</DIV><p>Message Edited by Tanatus on <span class=date_text>02-25-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:05 PM</span>

[Clarat]

<DIV>Why upgrade non DPS spell?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Well.. Lets see.. I'm level 50, in a raiding guild, and pretty much only fight group x2 - x4 npcs that have 450,000+ hp's.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>When its a full raid group of 24 fighting stuff, I don't really care if i do 10% more DPS, i'm there to buff people, not for my damage.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Since our main distinction is a buffing mage vs. damage output, I would expect upgrading those buffing spells would provide some benefit.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Doing 650 with my tyrannical mind vs. 550 is about 100th on things I would spend a ruby on.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Petgroup]

<DIV>My opinion, All Coercer DPS spells when upgraded to Adept 3, seem worth it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For some silly reason all buffs and junk, seem to add like 1% or some horrible amt, that makes you regret upgrading them.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Example is Haruspex (Level 37) App 1 was like 100 aoe when target hits, Adept 3 is 250. <U>That seems worth it. (DD Spell)</U></DIV> <DIV><U></U> </DIV> <DIV>Other example is Annoying Demeanor (level 3<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> App1,2,3,4, Adept 1 all 15% aggro. Adept 3 is 16% <U>This aint worth it (Buff spell)</U></DIV> <DIV><U></U> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[tharvey]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> nikecmh42 wrote:<BR> <DIV>My opinion, All Coercer DPS spells when upgraded to Adept 3, seem worth it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For some silly reason all buffs and junk, seem to add like 1% or some horrible amt, that makes you regret upgrading them.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Example is Haruspex (Level 37) App 1 was like 100 aoe when target hits, Adept 3 is 250. <U>That seems worth it. (DD Spell)</U></DIV> <DIV><U></U> </DIV> <DIV>Other example is Annoying Demeanor (level 3<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> App1,2,3,4, Adept 1 all 15% aggro. Adept 3 is 16% <U>This aint worth it (Buff spell)</U></DIV> <DIV><U></U> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>There's a good reason why you notice this result.  Originally (in Beta) all upgrading did was give you a casting modifier to your level. For instance, if you were level 40 and cast Spell X at App 1, you cast it as if you were really level 39. If you cast it at Adept 1, you cast it as if you were really level 42.</P> <P>Later on in Beta they figured out that upgrades weren't all that significant, so they added one additional effect. For spells that do damage or heal health, upgrading from one tier (Apprentice) to another tier (Adept), also applied an additional scalar multiplier to the effect. In other words, casting Damage spell X at level 40 at Adept 1, you figured damage as if you were 42, then multiplied it by, say, 1.1 because of the Adept bonus. </FONT></P> <P>This explains why upgrading damage spells (and heals) tends to be useful, and upgrading other stuff doesn't tend to be.  Buffs grow only marginally with level anyway - over the 10 level growth span of a buff it may gain a point in a stat every level or two, and since there isn't any multiplier, it's usually pointless to upgrade.  Some control spells might be useful to upgrade, if it helps the resist check enough (it effectively makes things more toward the blue/green end of the scale even when they're not).  For the most part, though, you'll always get the most bang for the buck out of damage upgrades, because they get the additional scalar. </FONT></P>

[Tanatus]

<DIV>Claratar all very simple</DIV> <DIV>Aside of raiding you do what? ... yep solo, sometime (rarely) group. Having offensive spells at Adept 3 give you edge to hit harder targets</DIV>

[Eeow]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> <DIV>I just upgraded my:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Clarity - Adept III - Max power +241, +40 power every 6 seconds</DIV> <DIV>Clarity - Adept 1 - Max power +235, +40 power every 6 seconds</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Net result for the cost of a ruby? +6 power to receipient.</DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>same here GRRR SOE!!!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Mezmier]

<P>I wanted to confirm that Clarity still increases per tick power regen by the difference below....</P> <DIV>Clarity </DIV> <DIV>Adept 1 caps around 40 power/6s</DIV> <DIV>Adept 3 caps around 53 power/6s</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My first Ruby I dont want to waste it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Please advise,</DIV>

[Rakn]

i remember a dev post somewhere saying clarity actually did 53 @adept III  and not 40 it was just showing the wrong number <div></div>

[Tanatus]

Nah Master 1 clarity still do 40 power/6s .... Illusionist Insight tough been fixed and Master 1 Insight do 60 power/6s

[Rakn]

<span>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=spellart&message.id=42716#M42716 using firefox so cant make it a real link easily and i cba to fart around with html code</span><div></div>