We Just Suck......

[Ol'b]

<DIV>level 48 coercer now.. The smartest thing i did while leveling this toon was level my Zerker and Ranger alts up to level 30. They are actually fun to play.....  I cant say that there is one spell i have i enjoy casting .. Sounds like the level 50 spell Psychic wall dosent work and if it did who the hell cares your not going to use it considering how f'ing horrible the previous ones were.. Damnit give us beguile that works, at least the Illusionest spells actually regen mana GIVE us  SOMETHING FUN! </DIV>

[Ol'b]

<DIV>plz dont respond to this if you havent been jaded by your level 33-50 spells , coercer was fun for me at 28 to...</DIV>

[skeet]

Ha! Please don't respond if you don't agree, in other words.

[Acka]

Heh, I just love my coercer. Even when I am contemplating playing twink for fun, I can only think of Dark Elf Coercer, since I am regreting choosing Erudite. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Tanatus]

<DIV>Providing that priests or fighters not running thiers HO after proper target debuffing (aka RP, Desp, Gloom) I can easy clock 1100-1200 damage every 6-7 second  with just Arcane Fury. Heck I am not even running clarity on myself Master 1 Devouring Thoughts + Adept 3 Torment in conjuction with once in a blue moon Transvergence Adept 1 - more then cover all my power needs...</DIV> <DIV>2 things tough driving me nuts</DIV> <DIV>a) Resistance - nothing, littlerally nothing stick unless I debuff [FaarNerfed!] with Ravage Psyche (Adept 1)</DIV> <DIV>b) Damage Mitingation (avoidance probably fine as it now) - 1 hit of mob that <STRONG><EM><U>9</U></EM></STRONG> lvls below me cut my life on 50% (2114). I am not mind taking damage that a lot more then tanks but lol ppl - mob that deep grey to me capable not only hit me (that I can buy) but kill me in 2 succesfull hits (which is wierd)</DIV>

[Ol'b]

<DIV>my problem must be i need spell upgrades then.. im still using anguish/despotic mind adept 1 over torment/tyranical mind app.2 's the only 40+ adepts ive seen selling on my server is minds eye, seizure, despair and signet of realization.. :smileysad:</DIV>

[Tanatus]

<DIV>Jesus crist men.....</DIV> <DIV>If you are on server with mature economy prices on tier 5 rares should be around 1pp for ruby/rhodium. Getting 3pp at lvl 48 should not be a problem for anyone (harvesting). Just make 3 alizarine ink and get Adept 3 for Tyranical Mind, Despair and Torment. If I'd you I'd also get Adept 3 for Gloom.</DIV>

[Ol'b]

<DIV> <DIV> <HR> Well populations vary depending on server....</DIV> <DIV>Anyhow we have several totaly broken spells</DIV> <DIV>Beguile - charm broken beiond point to be usefull on anything</DIV> <DIV>2 our lvl 50 spells in sence same spell with different icon and its copy and paste lvl 44 Illusionist Spell - Short Duration Stun..</DIV> <DIV>Emphatic/Synergetic Link dont do anything AT ALL </DIV> <DIV>Annoing Damenator -dont working properly either</DIV> <DIV>And last but not least....</DIV> <DIV>We do NOT have any upgrade of offensive spells past lvl 37 AT ALL</DIV> <DIV>Master 1 of lvl 26DD .... Superior over Adept 3 lvl 43 DD all way to the lvl 50</DIV> <DIV>Master 1 of lvl 28DD ..... Superior over Adept 3 lvl 42 DD all way to lvl 49</DIV> <DIV>Master 1 of lvl 31Dot .... Superior over Adept 3 lvl 45Dot all way to lvl 50 <HR> </DIV></DIV>Bah i thought the only things you dident like were resist/dmg mitigation... Im gonna have to call B.S. on ya bro .. Its hard for me to buy you have all these adept 3's & master 1's, or that its sooo easy for you to make 3 plat considering you recently discoverd the black market... What level is your coercer anyways?

[Tanatus]

<DIV>Second highest active coercer on Nektulos </DIV> <DIV>Mondor lvl 48.2 atm</DIV> <DIV>Currently running personally </DIV> <DIV>at Adept 3</DIV> <DIV>Gloom, Despair, Tyrrnanical Mind, Torment, Melancholy (dont using anymore), Despotic Mind (dont using anymore), Anguish (dont using anymore)</DIV> <DIV>At Master 1</DIV> <DIV>Devouring Toughts, Withering Silence, Muddled Thinking, Binding Light (dont using this one already for ages)</DIV> <DIV>At Adept 1 I keep only </DIV> <DIV>Ego Blast, Discomforting Gaze, Haruspex (no point to upgrade into Adept 3 because it net miserable +10% compare to Adept 1 and those 3 aren't primary offensive spells)</DIV> <DIV>Now for gifted ppl my 101 guid how to make easy cash</DIV> <DIV>a) get your mining/gathering to 190 (you need that much to harvest in tier 5)</DIV> <DIV>b) get your sorry [Removed for Content] to Feerrott at any lvl you can safely harvest here (been doing it since lvl 3<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> but past lvl 47 you grey out practically everything save CT area</DIV> <DIV>c) harvest every [FAAR-NERFED!]ing ore/root/stone here</DIV> <DIV>d) learn spawn point of collectables </DIV> <DIV>e) learn time frame then you have least competitors</DIV> <DIV>Now bear in mind for alchemist untilizing 1 stack of metal/stone/root = 4 stacks of temper/resin that sells for 17sp back to NPC hence 4X20X17sp = 13.6gp (say 10-12gp because sometime they do get not pristine product) - so selling tier 5 resourses for 5gp per stack you still provide for alchemist about 5-7gp profit per stack - I call it fair and square</DIV> <DIV>Collectables ... in Ferrott you can find Coind of Grobb, Enchanted Bones, Pristine, Shiny, Glowing Shards and Ferrott Fern Leaf - most of em easy sells for 3.5-5gp (save pristine and shinycrap)</DIV> <DIV>Rare harvest - for about 1 month irregular harvesting (may be 2 serious session per week top) I got about 4 rhodium, 2 ebon cluster, 2 furwart root, 6 stange black ore. Total income from selling junk (just junk I keep rare for myself) ~10pp.</DIV> <DIV>Hint: best seller is ashen roots, following by bloodstones and diamondite</DIV> <DIV>Btw feel free to check my gear</DIV> <DIV>Search: Nektulos:Coercer: lvl 48: Mondor</DIV>

[Sy]

UNfortunately alchs are now super nerfed...SyanAlch 47Coercer 34Nek

[Ol'b]

<DIV>I would love to hear who thinks we are NOT the WORST mage class out there... With the new wizzy/warlock patch theres no question in my mind...</DIV>

[Vurin]

<DIV>There's a cry thread on the illusionist boards with several people who think Coercers are at the veyr least better than illusionists =)</DIV>

[Ol'b]

<DIV>this may very well be true , the only reason i see illusionest as being a better class is the amount of aoe dmg they do,  there form of beguile is a pet that simply does dmg, and thats an improvment also.. We may have a DD that can hit for 500+ and they dont but, the amount of aoe dmg is not comparable. A level 36 inquisitor can do more aoe dmg than a 48 coercer and thats no lie.. Ohh yeah the Illusionest can do a better job of power regen but really who cares about power regen unless at low levels.. Any 40+ Conj , Necro , Wizzy , not sure about Warlock can do a good enough job keeping group with enough power and they all dominate us in DPS.</DIV>

[Ol'b]

<DIV>I really had no idea how much i wasent needed untill i started getting into high level groups with no enchanter replaced with better dps on my Zerker alt. In case you were wondering </DIV>

[Gnus]

Ol' Boy... what is it you want? I keep seeing your posts saying we suck.. but that's it? What do you want our class to be? We can stun/stifle/power-regen/drain-power/DPS... we are the one of the best mage classes at saving ourselves if something aggro's us (mes/stun)... You said our CC and Regen is useless unless the group is chain pulling... or there are adds...I actually don't mind being the class that is good during the normal course of fighting, but basically saves the day when the [FAAR-NERFED!] hits the fan...Sorry, I don't see how we are useless.. even if it is for one spell...stifle... I'm a fanboi for this spell. next time you fight a ++, keep it stifled the whole fight, see how little damage the tank takes... then let it drop and watch the chunks of health fall off the tanks bar. (and I mean the general YOU... I"m assuming if you are 48th level, you know this)So I repeat my question... what is it we could do better that would make you happy?<p>Message Edited by Gnusha on <span class=date_text>02-18-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:42 AM</span>

[Tanatus]

<DIV>Well enjoy the fact that coercer nowday mandatory class for raiding albeit mostly as buff HO</DIV> <DIV>Look at this numbers</DIV> <DIV>Clarity Adept 1 at lvl 48 - +242 to mana pool +40 mana/tic every 6 second - 15 min duration</DIV> <DIV>Mind Eye Apprentice 2 at lvl 48 + 35 to mana pool (lol?) but +32 mana/tic every 6 second - 10 min duration</DIV> <DIV>Mind Gorge Adept 2  at lvl 48 - every 4 second you get +43 power for 24 second</DIV> <DIV>Devouring Toughts Master 1 at lvl 48 - every 4 second you get +45 power for 24 second</DIV> <DIV>Toment Adept 3 - at lvl 48 - every 4 second you get +10 power </DIV> <DIV>Transfergence Adept 1 at lvl 48  every 4.8 second you get +43 power</DIV> <DIV>Yes it kinda sucks to be mana battery but at least we have lable "A Must class to have for raid"</DIV> <DIV>Side note ppl read discription of Withering Silence - it DO stifle and DO lands on +++ raid type encounters</DIV>

[tiki-jiki]

I just started playing a Coercer recently, and i have a lot of fun. Thats whats its all about. There may be better classes, but i always feel useful to a group.