Breeze/Refresh Stacking

[Blub]

I read on this board that glowing breeze and refresh stack, and I believed this for some time as it works fine when casting (you have two symbols etc). Anyway after some time it seemed to me that this isn't really the case so i did some testing today and indeed they don't stack. Even worse:I engaged some lowbie mob and burned down my mana to 0%. Then tried different spells. I have refresh on adept1, i'm lvl 36 (so its still organge to me) and had nothing to drink (shouldn't matter in fighting mode at all).Nothing:About 17 regen per tic.Refresh:50 regen per tic (includes base regen tic). One refresh (3 min) got me from 0% to about 90% power.Glowing Breeze:45 regen per tic (includes base regen tic).Glowing Breeze + Refresh:46 regen per tic. Note that this is less than refresh alone. One refresh + glowing breeze got me from 0% to about 84% power untill refresh faded (3 min) so 6% less then refresh alone.Breeze (adept 1):35 regen per tic.Additional tests:Consuming thoughts, app2 (can't find adept)46 regen per ticCT + refresh:79 regen per ticConclusion: Glowing breeze and refresh don't stack and Glowing breeze reduces refresh in its power. This is kinda disappointing. At least CT and refresh stack properly.<p>Message Edited by Blubby on <span class=date_text>01-22-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:09 PM</span>

[Bloodtoo]

1) what about Glowing Breeze and CT?2) If glowing breeze is cast then refresh is cast later, do you get Refresh regen rate after Breeze fades or do you only have the Refresh icon with no effect?

[Tanatus]

<DIV>Nice test!</DIV> <DIV>So we just suffered resently new silent nerf....</DIV> <DIV>I got use to fact that I can stack Glowing Breeze + Refresh assuming (wrongly) that I get some extra power from it .... my mistake</DIV> <DIV>Btw about consuming toughts at lvl 40 you will get class trait - Ming Gorge its essentially Adept 2 Consuming Toughts with DoT built-in (up to 60 damage at tic at lvl 45)</DIV>

[Karde Shar]

<DIV>THere's one small problem you did not consider.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The spells stack just fine....try casting them on another and you will see what I mean.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>One of your spells is not a power HOT its a power drain from you to your target!  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Cheers!  Yer not nerfed.  Been like this from day 1.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Blub]

<b>The spells stack just fine....try casting them on another and you will see what I mean. One of your spells is not a power HOT its a power drain from you to your target! </b>My post shouldn't be that hard to understand. Yes you can cast glowing breeze and refresh on everyone and you will have two symobols in your maintance bar. And the effect those two symbols have is described by the post above.And CT is not a power drain, but a tap which means it gives you mana which is taken from the mob (or you could say drain + HOT). And this spell does stack with refresh (probably for this reason).

[Acka]

Inspired by this post, I did some test at level 50.Base regen without any buffs: 22 per tic.Base regen with buffs (Magi's Shielding, Instigation, Sigent of Realization Adept 1 versions): 29 per tic.Clarity (Adept 3): 85 pet tic (32 + 53, looks like power pool buff in clarity buffs base tic)Mind's Eye (Adept 1): this looks strange, since pattern is 29-43-43 per tic giving total of 115.Mind's Eye and Clarity (oh yeah they stack): pattern is 32-43-53-43-32-53-43-32 etc making it between 128 and 171 per tic.Refresh (Adept 1): 72 per tic (31-41 pattern, 31 is base and 41 refresh I would say).Breeze (Master 1): 56 per tic (29-27 pattern, 29 base and 27 Master 1 Breeze...).I have also noticed that Clarity and Konious' Glowing Breeze do not stack.I did take all training power regen I could.As for haste:Glyssa's Emboldening Glyph (training) is 37% and Velocity (Adept 1) is also showing 37%, but at the same time they give attack speed of 75%. Hope this is some useful guide. I am not sure if this test I have performed give accurate information, so don't take it as set in stone.

[Eeow]

<DIV>Glyssa's Emboldening Glyph and bravado does stack ?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Acka]

Yeah, Bravido is 36% but together they show 73%.<p>Message Edited by Acka on <span class=date_text>02-01-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:24 AM</span>

[Sanlail]

<DIV>When you say the "Show" 73%, where are you looking?</DIV>

[Manusra]

Is this info still valid?

[Genes]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sanlail wrote:<BR> <DIV>When you say the "Show" 73%, where are you looking?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV> <P>/show_window MainHud.Character</P></DIV>

[Savara]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Manusra wrote:<BR>Is this info still valid? <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Nope they nerfed Mind's Eye.  The rest is right I think.

[Acka]

Well since they added information in the spell description, so we don't have to test and guess regen anymore...  As for stacking, I think its still accurate.  Training and spell haste coundn't be used together in one moment since it wasn't possible to cast both spells at once, but it works again as of patch #6.