What Spells to upgrade

[Lady_Drakes]

<DIV>Which spells should I get Adept 3?</DIV> <DIV>I know Fascinate will change to Mesmerize at some point, so no point in upgrading too high there.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Soooo....which spells would be the best to upgrade?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I know I could look up a spell list but I don't want to spoil the surpirse of getting new spells when I lvl.</DIV> <DIV>So if you could keep it to top 3 most useful spells to upgrade that would be great <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[clar]

<DIV>:smileyhappy: upgrade haste, mez, breeze, dot, nuke.. i guess thats it <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />... high skill breeze gives you easy access to groups, haste makes the work easy . mez keeps your **mods 4 teh win!!1!** outta the fire. the rest lets you assist. id upgrade them all <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Lady_Drakes]

<DIV>Excellent!  The exact answer I was looking for, thankyou very much <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Tanatus]

<DIV>Here is a deal </DIV> <DIV>None combat spells gain new property only with gaining new rank </DIV> <DIV>aka Breeze at Adp 1 no different from Breeze at Adp 3</DIV> <DIV>Fascinate at Adp 1 no different from Adp 3 - same 42 second duration</DIV> <DIV>Nukes are gaining straight +25% to base damage every rank, Power of suggestion been in a sence "ward" spell gaining +25% per rank to absorbed magic damage (to base lvl)</DIV> <DIV>So if I have ability to upgrade some of my adepts into adept 3 it will be nukes or heals (wards)</DIV> <DIV>An example upping nuke from App 3 to Adp 3 will roughly add +50% damage to existing number</DIV> <DIV>So for tier 2 spells 3 most usefull spell to get to Adp 3 would be Mind Jolt, Consume Ego, Ego Shock...</DIV> <DIV>As I said practically pointless upgrade Adp 1 to Adp 3 none combat spells - no effect</DIV>

[Lady_Drakes]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tanatus wrote:<BR> <DIV>Here is a deal </DIV> <DIV>None combat spells gain new property only with gaining new rank </DIV> <DIV>aka Breeze at Adp 1 no different from Breeze at Adp 3</DIV> <DIV>Fascinate at Adp 1 no different from Adp 3 - same 42 second duration</DIV> <DIV>Nukes are gaining straight +25% to base damage every rank, Power of suggestion been in a sence "ward" spell gaining +25% per rank to absorbed magic damage (to base lvl)</DIV> <DIV>So if I have ability to upgrade some of my adepts into adept 3 it will be nukes or heals (wards)</DIV> <DIV>An example upping nuke from App 3 to Adp 3 will roughly add +50% damage to existing number</DIV> <DIV>So for tier 2 spells 3 most usefull spell to get to Adp 3 would be Mind Jolt, Consume Ego, Ego Shock...</DIV> <DIV>As I said practically pointless upgrade Adp 1 to Adp 3 none combat spells - no effect</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>Wow really?  Many thanks for telling me, just found a coral and I was going to upgarde an adp 1 to 3!  That would have been very disappointing.</P> <P>/curtsey</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[clar]

<DIV>breeze adept 1 is 40pts a tick adept 3 is 60..... use your rare on this skill ... </DIV>

[Flound]

<DIV>Not sure on the other non combat spells but there is a big difference on Breeze.  I have gone from app1 to app3 to adept1 to adept3 and each upgrade changes your power regained per tick.  Considering you dont get to upgrade to Clarity till level 47, getting this to adept3 made this key to me.  I will be using it for 20 levels so well worth the cost i paid for it (6gp).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Flounder</DIV> <DIV>Brew Crew</DIV> <DIV>Guk</DIV>

[Tanatus]

<DIV>Are you sure about this? I have seen reports that at lvl 20 Adp1 - 16 per tic and Adp 3 same 16 per tic</DIV>

[Manusra]

<DIV>How do upgrades effect Fascinate and Mezmorize then? Anyone know?</DIV>

[Flound]

<DIV>Just checked and Adept 3 Breeze is giving me 80 power back a tick at level 26.</DIV>

[Tanatus]

<DIV>I can tell only 1 thing for sure</DIV> <DIV>App 1 Mesmerize = 30 second duration</DIV> <DIV>Adp 1 Mesmerize = 42 second duration</DIV>

[Ashin0]

<P>You get a upgrade to breeze at lvl 33 called refresh and pretty sure clarity is at 46.</P> <P></P><B></B> <P> </P>

[Chuckles]

<DIV>Upgrading stuns, such as stupefy important?</DIV>

[clar]

<DIV>yes refresh is at lvl 33 ..get it adept..itll be better then breeze adept 3 from day one... </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>stuns are good to have at a high skill but not deadly important.. they might save your *bleep* or what not <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>post 26 youll get some mana driains.. consuming thoughts is awesome -- get it at adept 1 asap.. drains mana from mob and gives to entire party. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>always upgrade spells to max level.. it might not show in dmg or duration but in less resists.. and as CC we dont want resists ..ever <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i always get the upgrade regardless -- one day i might need it. better to be versatile.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Tanatus]

<DIV>Flounder its not breeze lol its your tier 3 drinks clock that much ....</DIV> <DIV>Breeze at lvl 30 at adept 1 clock 20power/tic sharp, adept 3 breeze at lvl 30 clocks same 20power/tic </DIV> <DIV>Regular drinks ~40 power/tic</DIV> <DIV>tier 2 drinks ~60 power/tic</DIV> <DIV>tier 3 drinks ~80 power/tic</DIV>

[Velu]

<DIV>So we are back to the same question then...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Does upgrading Breeze make any sense since we have it till level 33...or should we just upgrade our nuke (Mind Jolt)...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have a pristine suzuki ink burnin a hole in my pocket.</DIV>

[Digida]

<DIV> <P>I wouldn’t upgrade Breeze.<SPAN>  </SPAN>I did and I didn’t see an increase over adept 1, but I never really checked it out. <SPAN> </SPAN>Also, you won’t be using it once you take your Glowing Breeze (Training option at lvl 30 - adept 2) anyway because the longer duration of Glowing Breeze makes life so much easier. <SPAN> </SPAN>I’d take Gloom, it’s good DOT and the arcane mitigation component will still be useful for a long time (there are some other threads on this around).<SPAN>  </SPAN></P> <P>Does anyone have any recommendations for which level 20-29 spell I should upgrade to adept 3?<SPAN>  </SPAN>I’m torn between Despotic Mind (best nuke I have), Melancholy (it would be nice if it wasn’t so easily resisted), Signet of Insight (as I think I’ll still be casting it at lvl 50) and Mesmerize (as the higher mob’s I’m fighting at now are resisting quite a bit and I don’t get enthral till lvl 3<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.<SPAN>  </SPAN>Thanks for any advice.</P></DIV>

[Tanatus]

<DIV>Get both Melancholy and DM to Adept 3 you will use it all way up to lvl 42 and dont foget get Adept 3 at very least for Muddled thinking too</DIV> <DIV>I have Master 1 MT and using it over Adept 1 Seizure for 2 reason it cost a lot less power to cast and it do a lot more damage</DIV>

[Llars]

<DIV>What makes Gloom better the Cerebral Spasm?  To my 21 illusionist they seem to go hand-in-hand but all I ever hear about is gloom...  Does it become un-important at higher levels?</DIV>

[Tanatus]

<DIV>Everything simple ...</DIV> <DIV>Spasm doing laughtable damage that's for 1 second thing it not carry debuff like Gloom do</DIV> <DIV> Spasm and Gloom are blong to "enchantment" skill and all spells above 20 is Protean - hence they stack....</DIV> <DIV>Gloom carry massive arcane debuff component that stack with next in line spells</DIV> <DIV>Aka you can stack Gloom + Melancholy or Gloom + Despair but cannt do same for Melancholy + Despair</DIV> <DIV>Presence of Gloom on target so to speak greatly increase potency of your nukes</DIV> <DIV>At lvl 45 you'll get your final and stongest resistance debuff Ravage Psyche but still before you start nuking you will always do 3 things - cast RP, cast Gloom, cast Despair and only then procced with full nuking</DIV>

[Ol'b]

<DIV>dont bother buying any upgrades , just use your previous spells with adepts if you have them they will do the same damage as your new spells at adept, only difference is you wont be able to cast some old spells on higer level mobs</DIV>

[Zansh]

<DIV><FONT size=2>I was wondering about what people thought about upgrading tier 1 spells (in case you run into a copper or rough lapis).  Does anyone use Static Pulse at higher levels?  I realize the damage is laughable, but I recall it having an arcane mitigations debuff component.  At level 29 I stack Gloom (Adept3) Melancholy (Adept1) Cerebral Spasm (Adept1) and Static Pulse (App3 too lazy to scribe an App4) because it is quick to do.  They all stack (unless I am missing something).  Am I wasting my time with the lowbie dot(s) (pulse and spasm)?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Zanshin</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>

[Signal9]

<DIV>I do still use Static pulse at lvl 28.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It doesn't do much damage at all, but it does have a  decent range, and an arcane debuff.  It works well as a pull spell, as it sticks an initial debuff, making it easier to land Spasm, and Gloom.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Other than the extra reach, and the slight debuff, there's not much use for it.  I get single digit damage pulses out of it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It's not a huge difference, but every couple of points add up when you can only stand to be hit 3 times...</DIV>