New resist rates

[Ef]

<DIV>My illy just hit 23 last night. Since I only have about 12 AA's, I haven't taken the wis line or anything in the Illy tree yet since I was waiting on the update and don't have enough anyways. I'm wondering if with the change in the resists from the update made enough of a difference as to not need to take the wis line. Is it still a good idea to take the lines for +sub and less resist chance even after the update?</DIV>

[Koilla]

<DIV>mostly the achievments depend on your playstyle. but there are some MUST haves i think, like the casttimereducer in the agi line or critchance increase from int line.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>especially eof-achievments bear a huge difference if you do more raiding/grouping or soloing.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i´m planing to put the kos achievments into</DIV> <DIV>Agi: 4-8-8-8</DIV> <DIV>Int: 4-4-6-8</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>eof achievments are maxed out to manaregen, illusory arm and time compression. still got 1 point left which will go into mezz. couldnt be a wrong choice i think...</DIV>

[BrotherRathgar]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Koilla wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i´m planing to put the kos achievments into</DIV> <DIV>Agi: 4-8-8-8</DIV> <DIV>Int: 4-4-6-8</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Gonna have to -1 somewhere in there bud.

[Myrswithe]

Spent a good bit of time testing resists since the update and found this...Assuming the caster of a spell is using a Master quality spell, and their disruption is exactly the standard for their level(350 at 70).Their target will resist, and mitigate damage at exactly the stated percentage.I would assume you guys are looking for ordination and such and would propose its likely under the same system.<div></div>

[Ardnahoy]

<DIV>I am spec'ed at WIS 4448, with 555 in the first column of the EoF tree. My main mez is Master, AoE mez is App IV (yes, app 4), and my root is Adept 1. Master spell costs on my server are stupidly insane for those spells (15 plat for the AoE mez, and 25 plat for root). I filled out my KoS AA's with 44848 in the AGI line.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Last night, I was in a group with a level 70 coercer. I don't know how he was spec'ed. The coercer could not land a mez to save his life. All he did was sit back and try to do CC. He was not doing any damage - only watching adds.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>He was doing a horrible job at CC. His mezzes were routinely resisted. When others broke a mez, it would take him forever to get the mob under control.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I was only doing DPS at the time until we started losing people on multiple pulls.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As soon as I took over CC duties, the group ran incredibly smooth. I received zero resists. AoE mezzes landed all the time and lasted a few extra seconds thanks to the EoF AA. Single target mezzes always landed, and lasted a little bit longer as well.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>When the coercer left the group, we didn't even detect his absence.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The only person to parse higher than me was a necro, and only on single mobs. I owned multi group pulls.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The bottom line is, we are enchanters, and subjugation is our main skill, and neglecting the WIS line is not a good idea especially as you level up.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The added crit chance from the INT is nice, but it won't make you a wizard. The added melee boost from the STR line is nice, but it won't make you a monk. What makes you what you are is crowd control. What gets you and your group killed is resisted crowd control. You don't get second chances to control an encounter - a resist usually equals death.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The WIS line is not noticeable when you have it. It is only noticeable when you don't. Believe me, it is worth it.</DIV>

[Myrswithe]

Right, I said ordination thinking subjugation. My bad <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ^ ^ ^ that guy knows.<div></div>

[gchouin]

<DIV>Mezzing what is that for? I guess u could spend points in it... or the 1 in 10,000 times u really have to mez just hit MS before hand...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Beguile</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>70 Illusionist</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Unrest</DIV>

[Kahna]

<DIV>The wis line is easily worked around.  If you need a subj buff for a few seconds you've got one at your fingertips.  You can mez and cc just fine without the wis line.  I never took the wis line, and only have 3 points in the single target mez in the EoF line.  While I do have all master CC spells (didn't pay more than 3pp for any of them, maybe you should move to CB) I didn't have any troubles mezzing even before I finished gathering my masters.   I would imagine that coercer's CC issues stemmed more from a lack of skill or upgrades than from anything else.  </DIV>

[Elephanton]

<P>I've got WIS 4 4 8 8</P> <P>M1 main mezz, App4 fast mezz</P> <P>Spent 4 hours in Solusek yesterday fighting my way through to see Naggy and had about zero resists on plus minus 2 level mobs in Solusek...</P>

[trenor]

<DIV>Once again the tangibility of subjugation and benefits is whats concerning this post.  There is no point in wasting points in a theory of lower resists ( if you know the sub formula please tell me cause i got darn near 100 points with sub gear and momentary and still get resists on oranges)  when know one knows exactly what it is you would be much better off to pace your points in something thats quantifiable (this is only my opinion).  Especially since enchanters mezzing necessity at this point in the game raiding or non raiding is pretty much moot.  Groups do not ask you to mez your expexted to mez an add only if the mt calls it now.  In my opinion if you go down the sub line youor are wasting your time and points.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>FIZ</DIV>

[Pins]

<blockquote><hr>trenor wrote:<DIV>Once again the tangibility of subjugation and benefits is whats concerning this post.  There is no point in wasting points in a theory of lower resists ( if you know the sub formula please tell me cause i got darn near 100 points with sub gear and momentary and still get resists on oranges)  when know one knows exactly what it is you would be much better off to pace your points in something thats quantifiable (this is only my opinion).  Especially since enchanters mezzing necessity at this point in the game raiding or non raiding is pretty much moot.  Groups do not ask you to mez your expexted to mez an add only if the mt calls it now.  In my opinion if you go down the sub line youor are wasting your time and points.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>FIZ</DIV><hr></blockquote> 455 Subjugation gives 20% less to resist. I think it scales linearly to that point.

[Laundry]

There's really absolutely no reason to take the wisdom line. If you're in a tight spot and you need to stick mez just use momentary sentiment. The points are much better used on other things. Even in the toughest group instances in the game and even the hardest mobs in those (like the last named in Nizara) momentary sentiment is enough without blowing any points on the +subjugation increase.