Coercer or Illusionists

[Loadtoads]

I've got a 59 Coercer I've been considering betraying to Illusionist..  In your opinions which do you think is more usefull raid wise?I want to focus on mezz's and pwr regen...   Are Illusionists good with this?I can solo pretty effectively charming pets.. and can do some awesome damage with charmed caster pets... how is your twin in comparison?<div></div>

[Mareth]

Dejá vù!Try 'search'.<div></div>

[Loadtoads]

lol guess i had that coming... =p<div></div>

[Manyak]

<DIV>if ur gonna betray to illusionist, u need to change ur mindset. we are NOT chanters - we are DPS. we do DPS, and we buff DPS, and all those mezzes and stuff are just some extra utility, kinda like necro rezzes and hearts and FD.</DIV>

[MadLordOfMilk]

*snippet from my PvP class guide*<ul><li><b>Enchanters</b><span> <i>(Coercer[E], Illusionist[G])</i></span></li><ul><li>Stuns, stifles, and mezzes have a short immunity applied afterward against other players - hence, you can't keep players constantly out of combat as you take out their allies</li><li>Note: A number of Enchanter abilities have multiple effects; each thing listed below isn't necessarily a seperate spell.</li><li><u>Both</u>:</li><ul><li><u>Noteworth Abilities</u>:</li><ul><li>Group power regen buff (stacks with bard song)</li></ul><ul><li>Get a temporary group buff that increases power when hit</li></ul><ul><li>Can memwipe (clear the hate list) of a mob</li></ul></ul><li><u>Coercers</u>:</li><ul><li>Have more stuns, dazes (stops use of counterattack)</li><li>Their root dazes</li><li><u>Noteworthy Abilities</u>:</li><ul><li>Charm - Charms a mob as a pet, costs 3 concentration slots; some pets are quite powerful (a few hundred dps even).</li><li>Fear - PBAoE fear w/thread reduc, 100% chance to break on damage</li><li>Interrupt - Their quick-recast DD spell interrupts (so an interrupt every few seconds if chain-cast). Can add up when fighting a mage. Illusionists can only interrupt with one of their AEs (group interrupt on cast and on break).</li></ul><li><u>Damage Type(s)</u>: Mental, ??</li><li><u>Permanent Buffs</u>: DPS, Hate Gain, S.T. proc when hit by a spell w/non-fighter hate reduc, Grp INT/AGI</li><li><u>Temporary Buffs</u>: Many S.T. Procs (on-hit, on cast of spell, etc)</li><li><u>Debuffs</u>: resist vs Magic/Mental/Divine, Resists, INT w/power tap</li></ul><li><u>Illusionists</u>:</li><ul><li>Have more mezzes, stifles (stops use of spells)</li><li>Their root stifles</li></ul><ul><li><u>Noteworthy Abilities</u>:</li></ul><ul><ul><li>Summon Personae Split - summons a pet, uses 3 conc slots, that casts many control spells on mobs (stuns, stifles, power drains, etc); the pet doesn't do too much DPSing.</li></ul><ul><li>Group Invis</li><li>Can memwipe a mob's hate to its current target only</li><li>Group shapechanges - it's hard to guess someone's class when they look like a gnoll, and it can be harder to pick out an individual player quickly <span>:smileyhappy:</span></li><li><span>Time Compress - AA ability, ???lowers cast/recast times??? (forgot!)</span></li></ul></ul><ul><li><u>Damage Type(s)</u>: Mental, ??</li></ul><ul><li><u>Permanent Buffs</u>: Haste, Spell Proc w/hate reduc, Reflect (drains power), Grp INT/WIS, Grp max power & mental/divine resists, </li><li><u>Temporary Buffs</u>: S.T. dmg proc, Grp -56% power costs, Grp INT & casting skills</li></ul><ul><li><u>Debuffs</u>: resist vs Magic/Mental/Divine, Combat skills (ranged/piercing/etc)</li></ul></ul></ul>Hope that helps <span>:smileyhappy:</span><div></div>

[Phineus]

Forgive me for asking, what spell mem wipes save for current target?

[kavic44]

<DIV>Illusory Allies is the closest we have........but you have to convince the silly Allies to last the full 15 seconds.  Even that is not a true wipe tho because you will still have agro.  In reality, no, we can't do this as Illusionists.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>- Myrh</DIV> <P>Message Edited by kavic44 on <SPAN class=date_text>01-30-2007</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>04:51 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by kavic44 on <span class=date_text>01-30-2007</span> <span class=time_text>04:53 AM</span>

[Iseabeil]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> kavic44 wrote:<BR> <DIV>Illusory Allies is the closest we have........but you have to convince the silly Allies to last the full 15 seconds.  Even that is not a true wipe tho because you will still have agro.  In reality, no, we can't do this as Illusionists.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>- Myrh</DIV> <P>Message Edited by kavic44 on <SPAN class=date_text>01-30-2007</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>04:51 AM</SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by kavic44 on <SPAN class=date_text>01-30-2007</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>04:53 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I think the <EM>'Can memwipe a mob's hate to its current target only'</EM> comment is more directed to phase. I wouldnt call it a memwipe memwipe myself, but it should be the spell most fitting to that description tho.</P> <P> </P>

[Eteocles]

<blockquote><hr>MarquisDesade wrote:Forgive me for asking, what spell mem wipes save for current target?<hr></blockquote>I believe that would be Phase.

[Koilla]

<DIV>but phase only whipes MOST aggro from mob.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>dunno if the coercer gets a spell that whipes ALL aggro from the mob.... maybe there is a difference in these 2 spells</DIV>

[Phineus]

 Coercers do get a mem wipe. They use it to split vyemn in labs. Im on a pvp server and we only get good aligned classes so no mem wipe to split the mobs. Its why I was asking. Looks like there is a mem wipe aa line but no go for epics. 

[Kahna]

There is a tinkered item that functions the same as the coercers memwipe, and yes it works on epics.  It's got a 75% chance to wipe all aggro except for the casters, it's insta cast, unlimited charges, 2 second refresh time and anyone who can tinker enough to craft it can use it.  (the actual name it some horrid nonsense tinkered name and I can never remember it the something stereopticon?,  but it does take around 340 tinkering to craft/use)<p>Message Edited by Kahna on <span class=date_text>02-06-2007</span> <span class=time_text>06:30 AM</span>

[Koilla]

<DIV>you dont need to memwipe vyemm.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>there is at least one more way to split the counter, without a coercer. and phase from illus wont work on epics, so no use to improve that achievment line...</DIV>

[Mihos]

<DIV>Phase works fine on epics.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So does the Qullious god mem wipe, but he is right.  You don't need to mem-wipe Vyemm to split them.  </DIV>

[Phineus]

<p> I know you dont need memwipe to split the mob, but it sure makes it easier. </p><p> We have split it with a warlock, a troub, a dirge and a conj. If I had a memwipe though, like the notes say, we would've saved a wipe or too and had an illusionist split it. </p>

[MasterFu]

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