Personae's defense skill

[Ever_Mac]

<DIV>Hello people</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i have a quick question</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Does my personae pet has the same defense skill value as my Illusionist?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>or a default defense value based on pet lvl + quality of spell?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>thanx in advance </DIV>

[Manyak]

<DIV>none of ur stats are copied to the pet</DIV>

[Koilla]

<DIV>so what makes it then a "mirror" of myself if there arent any stats copied to the pet?</DIV>

[Flagrin]

I would like to know as well. Is a personae created from a Master better than an Apprentice IV and has anyone put together any numbers?

[Koilla]

<P>there is a differnce in the spell the pet casts.</P> <P> </P> <P>a app4 pet will cast app4 spells</P> <P>a1 will cast a1 spells</P> <P>m1 will cast m1 spells</P> <P> </P> <P>concerning stat increase, i have no idea</P>

[Elephanton]

<P>This is not entirely right</P> <UL> <LI>Pet uses weaker versions of damage spells, the better the pet, the bigger the damage</LI> <LI>Pet re-uses all control spells from its master's knowledge book, i.e. even App1 pet will still use M1 stun if you have one scribed</LI></UL>

[Mirul]

So you are saying that even if my pet is M1, if I only have appIV spells scribed then my personae will only cast those.  And conversely if I have all ad3 or M1 spells then my pet can be appI and still cast the ad3 or M1 spells that I have scribed.

[Prrasha]

OK, that's the first time I've ever heard this... where did you get this info, Sixty-Four-Billion-and-some? I had always heard that (level of scribed pet) = (level of spells cast by pet), regardless of which spells they are.

[Pins]

Your pet's abilities are based on the pet's level. Your abilities mean nothing to the pet.

[Manyak]

<DIV>a higher level pet also means more HP. but not much.</DIV>

[Mirul]

So my M1 pet can throw M1 spells regardless of what I have scribed?  Am I reading this correctly?

[Flipmode]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> 64686692013 wrote:<BR> <P>This is not entirely right</P> <UL> <LI>Pet uses weaker versions of damage spells, the better the pet, the bigger the damage</LI> <LI>Pet re-uses all control spells from its master's knowledge book, i.e. even App1 pet will still use M1 stun if you have one scribed</LI></UL><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Thats not right at all.  Dont give advice if you dont know what you are talking about.  Lord knows there is enough mis-information on the forums these days.</P> <P>The pet casts spells at the level you have him.  If he is master, he will cast master versions spells.  The spell names are similar to lower tier versions of our spells, but they do more damage then them.</P>

[Zard]

The master version of the last pet spell (level 61?) usually goes for over 20pp -- when it is available at all -- on my server. Think it's worth an upgrade from Adept III?

[Pins]

<blockquote><hr>DeathMutant wrote:The master version of the last pet spell (level 61?) usually goes for over 20pp -- when it is available at all -- on my server. Think it's worth an upgrade from Adept III?<hr></blockquote>If you find yourself using it a lot, it can be useful. If you don't find yourself using it very much it's not worth getting.

[Elephanton]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Flipmode wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> 64686692013 wrote:<BR> <P>This is not entirely right</P> <UL> <LI>Pet uses weaker versions of damage spells, the better the pet, the bigger the damage</LI> <LI>Pet re-uses all control spells from its master's knowledge book, i.e. even App1 pet will still use M1 stun if you have one scribed</LI></UL><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Thats not right at all.  Dont give advice if you dont know what you are talking about.  Lord knows there is enough mis-information on the forums these days.</P> <P>The pet casts spells at the level you have him.  If he is master, he will cast master versions spells.  The spell names are similar to lower tier versions of our spells, but they do more damage then them.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Learn to read spell descriptions, smart @ss</P> <P><A href="http://www.eq2idb.com/item_details.php?item=ODMxOTY4OTk0" target=_blank>http://www.eq2idb.com/item_details.php?item=ODMxOTY4OTk0</A></P> <P>Do you know what words "<EM>inherit</EM>" means? Good...</P> <P>And how about "<EM>retain the power of their control spells</EM>", do you understand what does it mean? Awesome...</P> <P>Now, of course you don't believe in bugged descriptions, oh well, just parse you logs the next time you get your next pet (you will get it as app1) and you will see.</P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by 64686692013 on <span class=date_text>01-18-2007</span> <span class=time_text>09:08 AM</span>

[Elephanton]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> mirul wrote:<BR> So my M1 pet can throw M1 spells regardless of what I have scribed?  Am I reading this correctly?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Nope, not right</P> <P>M1 pet will use "best" damage spells (still weaker than your spells, but stronger then Adept3 pet)</P> <P>M1 pet will use same control spells as you have scribed. If you have App1 group stun and Adept3 single stun, pet will use similar spells no matter if pet is M1 or Ad1 or App1. This is really easy to verify if you take a look at the amounts of mana drained by pet with you stifle spell, which has fixed mana drain attached to it.</P><p>Message Edited by 64686692013 on <span class=date_text>01-18-2007</span> <span class=time_text>08:51 AM</span>

[Elephanton]

<p>Looks like what I say above is not right <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Mihos]

<P>Your pet will have master spells if he is a master pet reguardless of your level spells.  I have every master except lockdown, but my pets root is still master.</P> <P>Here is a screen shot of every skill and the stats of a master personae.  Sorry, I can't take pictures of the adept one for obvious reasons.</P> <P>I took off all buffs for this picture to give you a baseline.</P> <P><IMG src="http://mihos.home.insightbb.com/Pet.jpg"></P><p>Message Edited by Mihos on <span class=date_text>01-18-2007</span> <span class=time_text>09:53 AM</span>

[Mihos]

<P>Also.... your pet does not have a mez or dot anymore... the color shower they cast only hits once.</P> <P>Since the last update, your pet wil also auto *back-off* of you mez its target.</P> <P>I don't know where the *number* named poster is getting his info.  It might have *used* to be that way, but this is as of 5 minutes ago.</P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by Mihos on <span class=date_text>01-18-2007</span> <span class=time_text>09:52 AM</span>

[Elephanton]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mihos wrote:<BR> <P>I have every master except lockdown, but my pets root is still master.</P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>But you have M1 Lock Mind root scribed, do you?</P> <P>Also, how do I examine my pet's abilities?  I wanna give you my screen, I have mostly masters but my pet is Adept3, so it will be easy to see.</P>

[Mihos]

<DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My lock mind is adept 1.... I kinda zoned out during all those levels...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You need to complete a few quests in Loping PLanes to do it.</DIV>

[Manyak]

<DIV>i believe 64686692013 just got wtfpwnd</DIV>

[Mihos]

<P>I wouldn't go that far.  Sony changes stuff all the time.  I bet all of this changes next live update.</P> <P>I do remember the personae doting stuff, then trying to mez it. </P> <P>Also, I can't confirm the adept 3 pet.  I will try casting one of the lower level ones when I get back home and seeing if it has any information.</P> <P>One thing that kinda bugs me is ... what is up with the negative DPS mod?  I took this in Loping plains during the day, so it doesn't have anything to do with that zonewide curse thing.</P>

[Pins]

<blockquote><hr>Mihos wrote: <P>I wouldn't go that far.  Sony changes stuff all the time.  I bet all of this changes next live update.</P> <P>I do remember the personae doting stuff, then trying to mez it. </P> <P>Also, I can't confirm the adept 3 pet.  I will try casting one of the lower level ones when I get back home and seeing if it has any information.</P> <P>One thing that kinda bugs me is ... what is up with the negative DPS mod?  I took this in Loping plains during the day, so it doesn't have anything to do with that zonewide curse thing.</P><hr></blockquote> It's a general pet thing. All pets have the negative DPS Mod.

[Elephanton]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mihos wrote:<BR> <P>I wouldn't go that far.  Sony changes stuff all the time.  I bet all of this changes next live update.</P> <P>I do remember the personae doting stuff, then trying to mez it. </P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Actually you know what, I play on international server, very outdated, we are usually lagging a few game updates behind major servers... currently we are still on the Halloween update and have pumpkins around lol... still on old combat rules, LU28 is coming end January only... so this could be the reason why it's different with you... well at least what I see matches spell description, I never thought they would be changing this.<p>Message Edited by 64686692013 on <span class=date_text>01-18-2007</span> <span class=time_text>12:36 PM</span>

[Manyak]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> 64686692013 wrote:<BR> <BR>currently we are still on the Halloween update and have pumpkins around lol...<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>ROFLMAO

[Flipmode]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> 64686692013 wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mihos wrote:<BR> <P>I wouldn't go that far.  Sony changes stuff all the time.  I bet all of this changes next live update.</P> <P>I do remember the personae doting stuff, then trying to mez it. </P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Actually you know what, I play on international server, very outdated, we are usually lagging a few game updates behind major servers... currently we are still on the Halloween update and have pumpkins around lol... still on old combat rules, LU28 is coming end January only... so this could be the reason why it's different with you... well at least what I see matches spell description, I never thought they would be changing this. <P>Message Edited by 64686692013 on <SPAN class=date_text>01-18-2007</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>12:36 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Then maybe you shouldnt be so quick to give advice.  You were still wrong.  The pet NEVER did what you claim.  It has always casted its spells based on the quality of the pet.  The spell description is wrong as are so many others.  You did get own'd.  Now hang it up.

[Derjen]

<p>Mihos - How did you take control of your pet.  I've done it with my necromancer, but I didn't know illusionist get that ability.</p>

[Zelkova]

<cite>Derjen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Mihos - How did you take control of your pet.  I've done it with my necromancer, but I didn't know illusionist get that ability.</p></blockquote> Look up Muktuk Veil Mask, that's what does it. Am I correct in assuming my pet will eventually learn how to melee? My illusionist is level 36 now, I've always had my pet master 1 but it has yet to ever take a swing at anything.

[Elephanton]

<p>My pet is meleeing since level 1...</p><p>My main tactivs when soloing is to keep Primatic line spell on the pet all the time, and most of the times pet gets to trigger all 3 procs for those 15 secs while spell is up.</p>

[Zelkova]

My pet has no melee animations and nothing in the combat log indicates that it is attacking with melee. Prismatic Discord doesn't appear to be triggering at all when I cast on it, either. What am I doing wrong? edit: okay I think I figured it out. It's hitting but it doesn't have any animation, I turned on all combat filters and I can see it hitting for mental damage every couple seconds, which I assume it's the melee attack. I got discord to proc a few times after killing some gray ghosts while spamming it on the pet. Could never get it to hit all three times before the buff expired though.

[Elephanton]

<p>You got it, this is how pet "melees"</p><p>As for Prismatic, it surely takes some practice to learn to apply it at a good time... just watch your pet's action, after initial burst of spells in the beginning of fight is over, pet starts to melee a lot... the 1st time when I apply prismatic in the combat is usually after pet casts its 5th spell in a row, and then I just keep it up all the time... usually for me Prismatic is always used up before it is expired even against even-con target or slightly yellow target...</p>

[Elephanton]

<cite>Zelkova wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Derjen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Mihos - How did you take control of your pet.  I've done it with my necromancer, but I didn't know illusionist get that ability.</p></blockquote> Look up Muktuk Veil Mask, that's what does it. </blockquote><p>I've got the mask, how do I do this?</p><p>If I use the mask, it only summons a demon pet, how do I take contol of my pet? </p>

[Controlor]

If your pet is out and you use it. The mask used to have you take control of it (dont know if this happens any more.

[Elephanton]

<p>When I use the mask (when my pet is out), it summons a devil I can control. Am I missing something?</p>

[Controlor]

If that is the case than it has been fixed. All i know is when i did the quest when EoF came out i would always pop into my pet if i had it out so i had to dismiss it to get the imp.