Duo/Small group question

[Renn]

<div></div>Ok, this is mostly regarding our concentration slots. So far I'm only level 26.Most often, I duo with a Conjuror. So my usual setup for Concentration is pet, haste on his tank pet, Power Regen, and Int/Wis buff.My question is what do you guys do in small groups say where you add another person or two? At what point do you give up your pet's dps and utility? I've found it invaluable to not only doing extra damage, but also decreasing mob damage output.Also, what about our duo play once I get the Dynamism line of spells? Should I give up the pet to give us both the spell-proc?What about even in larger groups? Does 40% haste really help that much on auto attack damage? or the spell procs?I've got Adept 3's of most spells, and my pet is Master, so it does pretty darn well in all aspects so far.Any advice would be appreciated <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div><p>Message Edited by Rennyn on <span class=date_text>05-08-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:23 PM</span>

[Barobra]

I did alot of parsing on raids lately. Granted probably not the situation you are in but these are pretty resistant mobs. I tend to get more dmg out of the pet then if I put dynamism on people. I have found 2 dynamimsm's < pet.You should get a parser and test it yourself. But my bet is the pet will do more dmg especially since the recent proc nerf.Right now, if it's just you and the conj I would put the pet up and the 2 other slots maybe do haste on pet (depends on what pet the conj has to, alot of them are spell based) and int buff.Later on I would do dynamism on yourself, pet, and int buff in your duo group.I bet everyone is going to have a different opinion. I could see where you might switch the int buff with haste or another dynamism but its ify. Cause the int buff isint really THAT big of an increase...maybe...20-30 dmg more per spell? if that?Haste really is hard to justify. In eq1 haste was god cause most of your dmg was auto attack. In eq2 it seems to be geared more towards spells and skills. I would be willing to bet that the conj pet would benefit more from dynamism then haste depending on which one it was. You might want to pose that question in the conjy forums.<div></div>

[Renn]

Thanks for the quick reply <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />The conjuror always uses the tank pet for our duoing , so I figure haste is the best bet for it.What about the Scintillation/mana regen line? I guess I should try without it and see how it is, but it really seems to help our mana regen in those drawn out scenarios.<div></div>

[Pins]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Rennyn wrote:<BR>Thanks for the quick reply <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR><BR>The conjuror always uses the tank pet for our duoing , so I figure haste is the best bet for it.<BR><BR>What about the Scintillation/mana regen line? I guess I should try without it and see how it is, but it really seems to help our mana regen in those drawn out scenarios.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>No point in getting rid of your power regen line, it doesn't take any concentration slots.  As for later, when  you get high enough to have your pet root mobs and you root to kill them, have the conjuror use the mage pet, and go with intesnity/dynamism/synergism on his pet, and yourself.

[Barobra]

Parsing really will answer your question about concs. I don't personally use it as a end all be all but more of a guide. Put dynamism on the pet and parse it for a while make sure the mobs are pretty much the same. See how much of an increase it has. Do the same thing with haste. My guess is haste wont help to much.

[Tarkadal]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Barobrain wrote:<BR> Parsing really will answer your question about concs. I don't personally use it as a end all be all but more of a guide. Put dynamism on the pet and parse it for a while make sure the mobs are pretty much the same. See how much of an increase it has. Do the same thing with haste. My guess is haste wont help to much.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>My general rule is to put haste on tank-pets. Normally if the cojuror has one out it's to take aggro, and hasting it will help its hate gain. I'll admit I haven't parsed it though, so I wouldn't necessarily stand by that rule.</P> <P>As for my pet, the basic rule for me, is if I'm not grouped with both a fighter and a healer it comes out.</P> <P>After that I do individual buffs that make sense, and only apply group buffs if I have room left over (which is almost never)</P> <P> </P>

[Belizarius]

<P><EM>Before</EM> the spell proc nerf, Dynamism was well worth using instead of pet, on the right classes.</P> <P>Now, it's almost a waste of conc on anybody I've tried it on, the pet is more and more viable (especially if you upgrade it beyond Adept I).</P> <P>Haste is not too bad for tanking pets, and for Predators (Rangers, Assassins).  Hasting 3 predators could be worthwhile, but if you can't usefully buff 3 targets, the pet may still work out better.</P> <P>I'm almost resigned to being a pet class on raids atm, something I really don't like.</P>

[Pins]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Belizarius wrote:<BR> <P><EM>Before</EM> the spell proc nerf, Dynamism was well worth using instead of pet, on the right classes.</P> <P>Now, it's almost a waste of conc on anybody I've tried it on, the pet is more and more viable (especially if you upgrade it beyond Adept I).</P> <P>Haste is not too bad for tanking pets, and for Predators (Rangers, Assassins).  Hasting 3 predators could be worthwhile, but if you can't usefully buff 3 targets, the pet may still work out better.</P> <P>I'm almost resigned to being a pet class on raids atm, something I really don't like.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>It's a waste to haste a ranger, a swashbuckler, or a monk.  Best targets are brigands, berserkers, bruisers, and assassins.<p>Message Edited by Pinski on <span class=date_text>05-09-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:38 PM</span>

[Belizarius]

Hmm well I thought all Rogues got self haste anyway (I know for certain that Swashies do), and no Predators (I know Assassins don't, but they get a DPS buff).  Are you saying that Rangers don't do much from auto-attack?  They always seem keen for me to haste them but I haven't analysed how much they gained from it.  Maybe it's a little different in raids with the longer duration of fights?

[Pins]

<blockquote><hr>Belizarius wrote:Hmm well I thought all Rogues got self haste anyway (I know for certain that Swashies do), and no Predators (I know Assassins don't, but they get a DPS buff).  Are you saying that Rangers don't do much from auto-attack?  They always seem keen for me to haste them but I haven't analysed how much they gained from it.  Maybe it's a little different in raids with the longer duration of fights?<hr></blockquote>Rangers have a self-haste buff of around 49%(could be wrong on this value), which if you're in top raid guild, they'll also have the DT haste, so they're floating around 72% or so. Well, why bother putting on a haste buff when they're already so close to cap. Brigands don't get any haste buffs, Swashies obviously do however, thus they basically get near haste cap as well. As you said, Assassins have a DPS buff, instead of haste thus more haste for them, the better off they are. Monks obviously self-cap Haste, Bruisers don't cap anything. Then berserkers are the last class to haste, however most of their damage is more based on auto-attack, of course they get a 28% proc-haste+dps, and then with the DT haste, they're up to 51%, so you can get them to the cap basically all the time.

[Barobra]

Does anyone have extensive testing on haste with parses? <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just as an example, I happen to have a level 35 assassin alt. In most situations I am constantly casting skills. I might stop doing skills for maybe 5-10 seconds and doing auto-attack cause I am waiting for recast timers. Or maybe I am low in power. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But the point I am trying to make is that in most situations I am just mashing buttons trying to up that DPS (and when you start chaining all your skills with an assassin at this level your DPS will go up). I would say about 80% of the time in an avg group I will be mashing buttons like a mad man.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Barobrain on <span class=date_text>05-10-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:12 AM</span>

[Belizarius]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Barobrain wrote:<BR>Does anyone have extensive testing on haste with parses? <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just as an example, I happen to have a level 35 assassin alt. In most situations I am constantly casting skills. I might stop doing skills for maybe 5-10 seconds and doing auto-attack cause I am waiting for recast timers. Or maybe I am low in power. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But the point I am trying to make is that in most situations I am just mashing buttons trying to up that DPS (and when you start chaining all your skills with an assassin at this level your DPS will go up). I would say about 80% of the time in an avg group I will be mashing buttons like a mad man.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Barobrain on <SPAN class=date_text>05-10-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>07:12 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>As you'd expect, you'll probably spend significantly more time using auto-attack against epics on raids, than against typical group level mobs, which are usually dead by the time you've spammed all your CAs :smileyhappy:

[Barobra]

<DIV>I obviously have no raid experience with an assassin I can only speak from a group perspective (and solo back before they nerfed my ability to kite heroic named). </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The recast timers aren't a problem....you always have something to do.... I assume you mean theres a problem with power and your doing alot of auto-attack on raid targets then? But, if you have a power regen class...or even 2 (which happens alot in the raids I have attended depending on the situation). Then power probably isin't a problem?</DIV><p>Message Edited by Barobrain on <span class=date_text>05-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:25 AM</span>

[Drevva]

<div></div> Just want to point out that swashies would love a haste buff.  The one hast buff we get is 30ish seconds every 5 mins. (gah or is it 3mins) anyway...  Get haste up all the time would be a large increase in my swashies dps (especially with the wisdom line).  So please haste the swashies! My main is a swashie, just reading these forums as I'm thinking of starting an illusionist alt for when I need a change of pace <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Drevva <p>Message Edited by Drevva on <span class=date_text>05-30-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:41 PM</span>

[Pins]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Drevva wrote:<BR> <BR>Just want to point out that swashies would love a haste buff.  The one hast buff we get is 30ish seconds every 5 mins. (gah or is it 3mins) anyway...  Get haste up all the time would be a large increase in my swashies dps (especially with the wisdom line).  So please haste the swashies!<BR><BR>My main is a swashie, just reading these forums as I'm thinking of starting an illusionist alt for when I need a change of pace <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR><BR>Drevva<BR><BR> <P>Message Edited by Drevva on <SPAN class=date_text>05-30-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>01:41 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>The 1 swashie in my guild nearly self-caps Haste.  With a 23% haste item, and Spurios Bravado (Master I) which adds 66%, even if it's on a proc he almost always has it up, so he's up to 89% self-hasted.  Hasting a swashbuckler for that small 11% haste gain he'd get is not worth it when you can add a spell proc or haste to another person.

[Drevva]

Hmm good point, I had forget about the bravado line but,  for me it isn't always up as I'm most often taking dmg in small group, which drops the buff.  I dream of an item with that kind of haste buff <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. Which goes to show you it is all about what the group makeup is, I end up light tanking often enough, but if going more dps or raiding, you are right not needed.. D