Bitter people on forums?

[Barobra]

<DIV>Is it just me or is it like every other post is just totally negative and out right hateful. I can't believe the responses I am reading about lu24. I mean ok you have a right to be concerned but what the heck is going on in your life where you have to yell at a game designer. A <STRONG>GAME </STRONG>designer.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Its no wonder the devs don't want to respond cause everyone quotes them and calls them idiots and everything else. How do you expect to get anything done this way?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sorry but after reading all these responses on the LU24 makes me think some people are just driven mad by this game. What is wrong IRL that is causing this? :smileyhappy:</DIV>

[Impetus]

I think the difference between us is that what I would consider negative or complaining, you see as hateful or yelling.When there are big changes to something that people spend a lot of time on, they're going to complain, especially if there's a forum like this to do it where they might even be heard and affect the outcome a bit. I don't think there has to be something wrong with someone IRL, regardless of the fact that it's a game. People get excited/upset about a lot of leisure activities. Take a sports fan -- they're pretty [Removed for Content] when their team loses, or trades away their best player. Or a stamp collector whose stamps all got soaked by a leaky drain.(Okay, that last one was a stretch.<img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />)

[auk]

Happens every time.We do it too. LU23 anyone? Though, I must say, we're generally a bit more civilized than average... <div></div>

[Barobra]

<DIV>No I am not talking about the avg post or response. I think its this way or it should be this way. Or, hey this is a problem ...its this way and I think it should be this way.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am talking about the posts that resemble something like this.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>OMG [ninjad by someone] SONY....I can't believe you just did this what are you some kind of [ninjad by someone] idiot? ARE YOU SMOKING CRACK?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don't understand these posts. Insulting them is going to work? Read through some of the 10 pages of lu24 posts and you will see a couple I am talking about. And they are complaining about something that has not even happened yet!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Calm down...think about whats going on first....</DIV><p>Message Edited by Barobrain on <span class=date_text>05-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:16 PM</span>

[Impetus]

Hmm, guess I missed those. Seemed fairly civil discussion for the amount of change happening, I thought. Maybe I just have an internal "message board filter" from reading too many forums for too long. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Zebsen]

<P>The open protesting isn't nearly as bad as the whining with imbued ring changes (and specifically the quick rechange).  </P> <P>If you read the illusionist boards and then go to about any other class board (try guardians or templars), our boards seem pretty civil compared to theirs.  There are a lot more people playing those classes, and they tend to be more... vocal with game developers than us, IMO.</P> <P>Most people see this as a change that is going to nerf 95% of the classes, leave about 4.5% of the classes uneffected, and help the 0.5% of us diehard enchanters that have managed to hang on until now.  Rather than view it as a method of fixing debatably broken stun game mechanics, they view it as a nerf to 95% of the population.  </P> <P>My thoughts,</P> <P>Zebsen</P> <P> </P>

[auk]

Yeah I think I have an automatic optical nerve filter for those vitriolic no-content posts, and I've been pretty active in the Combat Discussion thread...Seems like pretty typical emotional reactions though. The amount of aggro on the devs from the ranger nerf was epic, and that was just one class (though it did effect everybody else to some extent too).<div></div>

[Rayvne2]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ZebsenChanter wrote:<BR> <P> </P> <P>Most people see this as a change that is going to nerf 95% of the classes, leave about 4.5% of the classes uneffected, and help the 0.5% of us diehard enchanters that have managed to hang on until now.  Rather than view it as a method of fixing debatably broken stun game mechanics, they view it as a nerf to 95% of the population. <BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Exactly.</P> <P>As far as I can see it this is a very positive change for enchanters and plate tanks.  It is ridiculous that brawlers and swashies/brigands could tank nearly as well as a plate tank in a xp group due to the game stun mechanics.  The notes should have said <FONT color=#ff9900>"We feel that stuns are far too powerful on classes other then enchanters who depend on stuns as part of their class role.  We are making changes to the all class stun timers in order to make the game more challenging and fun."</FONT></P> <P>After the change xp groups will need to worry about the group makeup a bit more.  Groups will more frequently need to choose a 2nd healer or a enchanter in order to be successful, especially if they do not have a good plate tank.</P> <P>In one breath everyone complains that the game is too easy and in the next they complain when changes are proposed to ramp up the difficulty a bit.</P> <P>I just wish that they would shorten other classes stun timers in PvP too :/  Oh well, can't have everything.</P> <P> </P> <P>Dozey<BR></P>

[Rayvne2]

<DIV>I do agree with the OP.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There seem to be a lot of bitter people on the forums.  On the Illusionist board there are a few people that the only time they ever post is to put in a worthless snipe post about not being effective in raids, CC is not needed, etc..... whenever someone asks a question or says something positive about the class.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Examples:</DIV> <DIV>New Illusionist player:  I love the Illusionist power regen.  My group love it!</DIV> <DIV>Bitter person:  "Bard power regen is better.  All I am is a buff bot. Might as well afk on raids. *sulk*".</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>New Illusionist player: I love being able to mezz adds and keep my group from wiping</DIV> <DIV>Bitter person:  "CC isn't needed in EQ2.  The game is too easy and if you are in a group that can't handle adds without mezzing your group sucks"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>New Illusionist player: I have done a parse and my dps is pretty good.  Who say illusionists can't dps <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV>Bitter person:  "Our dps sucks on raids.  Too many immunities.  If your are doing reasonable dps compared to your other group mates they are slacking and suck."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>New Illusionist player: I really like my pet.  I had no idea it would be so great.  I can solo really well with it.</DIV> <DIV>Bitte person:  "I didn't play a illusionist to solo with a pet.  If you want to play a pet class roll a necro/Conj."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>New Illusionist player: Wow, the proposed LU24 changes are great for Illusionists.  Will really help us shine in a group.</DIV> <DIV>Bitter person:  "This isn't what we asked for.  "They" never listen." </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Not sure why these "bitter people" don't reroll since soe and the entire planet has it in for them.</DIV>

[Scarrlette]

<P>Bitter posts make this mod sad.  <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  It helps to Ignore the rants and only participate in legit discussions, and report anything that beaks the rules.</P> <P>Happy posting!</P>

[Manyak]

<P>OMG, we actually have a mod reading our forums? <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[Manyak]

<DIV>and as far as enchanters not yelling like crazy....i think its just cuz were all so used to being nerfed its natural to us now.....</DIV>

[10199]

For the most part though I think people just want more from their class and are upset there wasn't a more unique solution brought to the table.B T W, Scarrlette is my hero.

[tensai]

I think alot of you guys mistake talking about problems as being bitter. As it is the fanboys will try to drown out any complaints to the point i wonder why people even try to raise any issues. Sure theres people [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing and moaning, these forums are more for that then to talk about how good things are.<div></div>

[Effie]

<P>I just play the game, have fun and adapt to changes.</P> <P>I have too much stress in the rest of my life to get riled up about a video game. </P>

[Lightomen]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Scarrlette wrote:<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Dayum, now I know why that name wasn't available when I tried to name my dirge.  Oh well.</P> <P>On to the OP:</P> <P>It's a love hate relation.  The more you love you toon the more you hate to see changes made to it.  I too have had my /rants and try to keep it productive and try to keep an open mind to the vision of the peeps behind the programming.  Sometimes what I write as a narrative can be taken out of tone and made into a rant.  Same with things you type.  Writing is a bad medium to communicate things in anyways.</P> <P>As was posted before, If I see it in CAPs I ignore it.</P>

[Melmoth1820]

<P>CAPS = TRUTH</P> <P>You gotta write it in caps so they knows it's true!</P>

[auk]

I never blame the medium for a miscommunication. If someone takes what I write the wrong way, I take that to mean that I failed to communicate properly. It is true it may be more difficult to communicate in writing, especially when attempting to communicate emotion, but it is not the fault of the medium if the communication is poor. At the same time, if I read a post as excessively negative or emotional, I will assume I've misread the author's intentions. If I happen to reply, my reply will take that assumption into account. Not everyone is good in communicating via writing, and even those who are extremely skilled writers can always find ways to improve. The only way I can personally avoid the stress of miscommunication is to take complete responsibility, both for what I write and in how I interpret what I read.That said, it is sometimes obvious the author is just b***ching.<div></div>

[Althena]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Barobrain wrote:<div>Is it just me or is it like every other post is just totally negative and out right hateful. I can't believe the responses I am reading about lu24. I mean ok you have a right to be concerned but what the heck is going on in your life where you have to yell at a game designer. A <strong>GAME </strong>designer.</div> <div> </div> <div>Its no wonder the devs don't want to respond cause everyone quotes them and calls them idiots and everything else. How do you expect to get anything done this way?</div> <div> </div> <div>Sorry but after reading all these responses on the LU24 makes me think some people are just driven mad by this game. What is wrong IRL that is causing this? :smileyhappy:</div><hr></blockquote>I can understand their anger honestly, the devs never address illusionist unless its in a patch note with a nerf, and people are tired of it. This update is another ill-thought-out bone that some designer who has no clue how the real game works, thought of. I honestly believe not a single dev has ever played an Illusionist.I'm not bitter or mad, just frustrated, and it will cause me to get tired of the game and quit. I won't go kicking and screaming but I will just silently go away and not play anymore.</div><p>Message Edited by Althena on <span class=date_text>05-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:16 PM</span>

[Raveller]

<div><blockquote><hr>Althena wrote:<div>I honestly believe not a single dev has ever played an Illusionist.</div><div></div><hr size="2" width="100%"></blockquote>I think you are absolutely right.</div>

[Galn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Raveller wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Althena wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR>I honestly believe not a single dev has ever played an Illusionist.<BR></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><BR> <HR width="100%" SIZE=2> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I think you are absolutely right.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I know for a fact you are both wrong, I've seen more than one dev/mod state that they have devs/mods that play every class, the time Moorgard mentioned he plays a Bruiser sticks in my mind the most.

[Pins]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Galn wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Raveller wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Althena wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR>I honestly believe not a single dev has ever played an Illusionist.<BR></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><BR> <HR width="100%" SIZE=2> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I think you are absolutely right.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I know for a fact you are both wrong, I've seen more than one dev/mod state that they have devs/mods that play every class, the time Moorgard mentioned he plays a Bruiser sticks in my mind the most.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I've also heard that the highest enchanter-based class that a dev plays is Level 40 <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  But meh.  It's kinda obvious with the way our class is that no dev raids with an enchanter.</DIV>

[Raveller]

<div><blockquote><hr>Galn wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Raveller wrote: <div> <blockquote> <hr> Althena wrote: <div>I honestly believe not a single dev has ever played an Illusionist.</div> <div></div> <hr size="2" width="100%"> </blockquote>I think you are absolutely right.</div> <hr> </blockquote>I know for a fact you are both wrong, I've seen more than one dev/mod state that they have devs/mods that play every class, the time Moorgard mentioned he plays a Bruiser sticks in my mind the most.<hr></blockquote>I think they all play Bruisers. I think the devs love Bruisers. They say they 'play' every class, but what does that mean? Do they just create one of a specific level (remember, they control the code, it's not like they have to start at level one and work up) with all Master level spells and then test something on one mob (probably green, or maybe grey)?</div>