Beginner questions

[Moongla]

<DIV>If any could help me with a few questions, I'd be grateful <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <OL> <LI>Is 1 int always = 3.5 mana, regardless of level ?</LI> <LI>Does int affects how much damage you do ? (and how much)</LI> <LI>Is it possible to see all mobs health, constantly ?</LI> <LI>When you need to mez a group of mobs (with single mez), how do you do it ? (after pull they're easily bunched up). Is it easier to target the mobs individually with the mouse or do you use the tab-key ?</LI></OL> <P> </P> <P>Message Edited by Moonglade on <SPAN class=date_text>04-28-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>08:23 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Moonglade on <span class=date_text>04-28-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:24 AM</span>

[Xanoth]

<div><blockquote><hr>Moonglade wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <div>If any could help me with a few questions, I'd be grateful <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div> <div> </div> Is 1 int always = 3.5 mana, regardless of level ?<font color="#3399ff">not 100% sure, but i think it's consistant, you just have a lot more int as you level.</font>Does int affects how much damage you do ? (and how much)<font color="#3399ff">yes, not sure on how much</font>Is it possible to see all mobs health, constantly ?<font color="#3399ff">its under the UI options, many default options annoy me, so i'd advice you have a play see whats best for you.</font>When you need to mez a group of mobs (with single mez), how do you do it ? (after pull they're easily bunched up). Is it easier to target the mobs individually with the mouse or do you use the tab-key ?<font color="#0099ff">AE stun, AE mez, then click with mouse on each target to single target mez them.  i do wish we had player mezes though, nothings more annoying than grouping with the same people for months to have them always break mez >.<you might not have group mez yet, so just use what you have to make best use of your recast timers/casting times.Tab is EVIL! so try to never use it. if you have a group of 4 mobs in front of you, target one, hit tab, you'll probably end up trageting something miles off in the distance, but jsut close enough that you can cast spells on it.</font> <hr></blockquote></div>

[Barobra]

<DIV>Multiple mobs can be a challenge. I like to start out with AE and then single target each one if needed. But at later levels the ae lasts for quite a bit and a good DPS group will burn through things quickly and be ready for that encounter in most cases.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Tab can help as well if your having trouble targeting. I forget the other key that targets nearby mobs.</DIV>

[Manyak]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Moonglade wrote:<BR> <DIV>Does int affects how much damage you do ? (and how much)<BR></DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>its kinda hard to say since different mobs have different HPs and alot of things could be different between each battle....</P> <P>i did some light testing on this a while back, and i found that on average 1 point of int increases ur dps by approximately 1-1.5 over ur base dps (when naked), and with all adept 3 spells. its different depending on ur spell lvls (app/adept/master). and i dont think its the same for all classes either.</P>

[Effie]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> DaMutation wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Moonglade wrote:<BR> <DIV>Does int affects how much damage you do ? (and how much)<BR></DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>its kinda hard to say since different mobs have different HPs and alot of things could be different between each battle....</P> <P>i did some light testing on this a while back, and i found that on average 1 point of int increases ur dps by approximately 1-1.5 over ur base dps (when naked), and with all adept 3 spells. its different depending on ur spell lvls (app/adept/master). and i dont think its the same for all classes either.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>What is 'ur' ?</P> <P> </P> <P>It's impossible to quantify the resultant damage increase from raising intelligence by static numeric value. ie: 1 point of int = 1-1.5 DPS.</P> <P>DPS scales depending on player level, spell quality, target mitigation and target level relative to player level so damage boosts from increasing intelligence would be more accurately represented with a percentage. Our damage is not affected by mob HP as the previous poster mentioned simply because we don't have any spells that deal percentile damage.</P> <P> </P> <P>You can easily find out how much more damage you will do on a per spell basis by simply examining your spells. Equip and/or remove your INT gear and your will see the difference.</P>

[Barobra]

Just a wild guess but I think ur is your. It is common to take shortcuts on forums/im. I have a feeling you already knew that.... :smileyhappy:

[Manyak]

<DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Effie wrote:<BR> <P><BR>What is 'ur' ?</P> <P> </P> <P>It's impossible to quantify the resultant damage increase from raising intelligence by static numeric value. ie: 1 point of int = 1-1.5 DPS.</P> <P>DPS scales depending on player level, spell quality, target mitigation and target level relative to player level so damage boosts from increasing intelligence would be more accurately represented with a percentage. Our damage is not affected by mob HP as the previous poster mentioned simply because we don't have any spells that deal percentile damage.</P> <P> </P> <P>You can easily find out how much more damage you will do on a per spell basis by simply examining your spells. Equip and/or remove your INT gear and your will see the difference.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><BR>If you take the ratio of your INT to the INT cap, multiply that by ur base damage, then add them together, or whatevr the hell the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] equation is, then fight an even con ^^^ at lvl 70 with no AAs and no spell proc gear, and assuming u didnt run out of mana.....you will see, on average, a change of 1-1.5 DPS per INT. so yes, it IS possible =). Like i said, it was "light testing". Its a rough idea, and as long as u factor in the mob con and resists, its good enough to use as a reference.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>and yes, to an extent, our DPS per fight is affected by a mobs hp pool. If a mob has a small enough hp pool that u can kill it by using only the 3 procs of pris havoc, and u manage to get them all off in 1 second, then ur DPS that fight will be about 1800 DPS...a number we all know we cant sustain in long fights. Also, if the fight ends right along with a cast of color shower and pris havoc, ull notice that ur DPS becomes slightly higher than if it ended right before the color shower recast was up.</DIV>

[Effie]

<P>That's nonsense.<BR> <BR> <BR>Every spell at every level against every mob does not deal an identical amount of damage over time in relation to cast and recast timers. Saying 1 INT = 1-1.5 DPS may be specifically accurate for the few tests you have done against a few mobs but it is not an accurate overall representation on how much (or how little) INT affects DPS.<BR> <BR> <BR>Since the person who posed the original question is a self proclaimed 'beginner', do you think that if he increased his INT by 100 points at level 20, he would increase his DPS by roughly TWO HUNDRED PERCENT?<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>----<BR> <BR>I've seen a few of DaMutations posts in the past and have usually found them to be pretty informative... but when someone uses the slang 'ur', I automatically assume that they are too lazy to type a four letter word and that they don't know the difference between your and you're. Like those folks who are too lazy to type out the word any.<BR>If your goal is to make yourself look uneducated and kind of dumb, keep using non-words like 'ur', 'u' and 'ne'. I personally prefer to at least try and use proper spelling and grammar.</P> <P> </P>

[Barobra]

<DIV>I think its a little jerkish (aka being a jerk) to openly state that your stupid if you say ur instead of your. Sure you can think it and maybe develop your opinion that way. But to just openly attack someone cause of what they type is kind of childish.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I personally know alot of people that are horrible at english but are very very bright. Smart people may openly talk in slang as well which is kind of what happens in forums. To judge someone by it I think is a little stupid. But thats just me.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Barobrain on <span class=date_text>05-01-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:49 PM</span>

[Effie]

<P>I never said that he was 'stupid'.</P> <P>If you'd read my post, I said I found most of his posts to be informative.</P> <P>When I read his original post on this topic, I didn't notice that it was him who posted. I thought it was some dumb kid becase he was to olazy to type out the words your and you're.</P> <P> </P> <P>And it's easy to tell the difference between a non-enlgish poster who tries hard to use proper spelling and grammar and a native english speaker who is either too lazy or stupid to use proper spelling and grammar. I'd rather speak to someone who wants to speak proper english than someone who doesn't.</P>

[Barobra]

<DIV><STRONG>If your goal is to make yourself look uneducated and kind of dumb, keep using non-words like 'ur', 'u' and 'ne'. I personally prefer to at least try and use proper spelling and grammar.</STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV>Sure sounds like it. :smileyvery-happy:</DIV>

[Manyak]

<DIV> <P>It would seem that we have started an English lesson.<BR></P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> <BR> <P>I never said that he was 'stupid'.<BR> <HR> <P></P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>When directly quoting, you should use double quotes ( " ) as opposed to single quotes ( ' ). Single quotes are used either when quoting within a quote, or when using an indirect quote.</P> <P> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> <P>If you'd read my post, I said I found most of his posts to be informative.<BR> <HR> <P></P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>The way you wrote it can be rearranged into: "I said I found most of his posts to be informative if you'd read my post". This implies that you finding his posts informative depends on whether or not he had read your post. But obviously, they can't be related in that sense.</P> <P><BR>The proper grammar for this sentence shoud be: "If you'd <FONT color=#ff3366>have</FONT> read my post, <FONT color=#ff3366>you would have noticed that</FONT> I <FONT color=#ff3366>had</FONT> said I <FONT color=#ff3366>have</FONT> found most of his posts to be informative." There are two reasons for this. First, the subject of the sentence (you) should stay the same throughout the sentence. Second, the verb tense used was wrong (i.e. "read" instead of "had read"). </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> <P>When I read his original post on this topic, I didn't notice that it was him who posted. I <FONT color=#ff3366>had</FONT> thought it was some dumb kid becase he was <FONT color=#ff3366>too</FONT> lazy to type out the words <FONT color=#ff3366>"</FONT>your<FONT color=#ff3366>"</FONT> and <FONT color=#ff3366>"</FONT>you're<FONT color=#ff3366>"</FONT>.<BR> <HR> <P></P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I highlighted the corrections in red. I think you can figure this one out on your own.</P> <P> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> <P>And it's easy to tell the difference between a non-<FONT color=#ff3366>E</FONT>nlgish poster who tries hard to use proper spelling and grammar and a native <FONT color=#ff3366>E</FONT>nglish speaker who is either too lazy or stupid to use proper spelling and grammar. I'd rather speak to someone who wants to speak proper <FONT color=#ff3366>E</FONT>nglish than someone who doesn't.<BR> <HR> <P></P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>You forgot to capatalize the word "English" every time you wrote it.</P> <P><BR> </P> <P> </P> <P>But in the end, im still flattered that you'd say my posts are informative. :smileyvery-happy:</P></DIV> <P><SPAN class=time_text>Edit: I know what you are going to say. I shouldn't have started that last sentence with the word "But". <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by DaMutation on <span class=date_text>05-02-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:03 PM</span>

[WAPCE]

<blockquote><hr>Moonglade wrote:<DIV>If any could help me with a few questions, I'd be grateful <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><OL><LI>Is 1 int always = 3.5 mana, regardless of level ?</LI><LI>Does int affects how much damage you do ? (and how much)</LI><LI>Is it possible to see all mobs health, constantly ?</LI><LI>When you need to mez a group of mobs (with single mez), how do you do it ? (after pull they're easily bunched up). Is it easier to target the mobs individually with the mouse or do you use the tab-key ?</LI></OL><P> </P><P>Message Edited by Moonglade on <SPAN class=date_text>04-28-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>08:23 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Moonglade on <span class=date_text>04-28-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:24 AM</span><hr></blockquote>Here's my numbers, as I've worked them out:1.) I've found 1 INT to be more closely equal to 5.0-5.2 power per INT, when under the cap (7* your level + 20 <I>or</I> your starting attribute, whichever people are arguing on a given week).2.) Covered above, it relates to how far below the cap you are.3.) As mentioned above, that's a UI option. I find it adds clutter to the screen, but do whatever suits you best.4.) I like to use my mouse, swing the camera around, and target by mouse-click.<p>Message Edited by WAPCE on <span class=date_text>05-02-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:19 PM</span>

[Effie]

<DIV>  <HR> <BR>"If <FONT color=#cc0000>you'd have</FONT> read my post, <FONT color=#cc0000>you would have noticed that</FONT> I <FONT color=#cc0000>had</FONT> said I <FONT color=#cc0000>hav</FONT>e found most of his posts to be informative." <BR> <BR>  <HR> <BR>Seeing as you'd in this instance is being used a contraction of the words you and had, adding the additional verb "have" would be redundant and grammatically awkward. The rest of my statement is grammatically correct. Your additions are unnecessary but they do not make it incorrect grammatically.<BR>Your other corrections are also unnecessary aside from me not capitalizing English.<BR> <BR> <BR>I wasn't even criticizing your spelling or grammar. I was just pointing out that when you use internet slang, you run the risk of looking dumb and not being taken seriously. I never corrected anyone's spelling or grammar in this thread.<BR> <BR> <BR>By the way, English is not even my birth language (I am from Hungary). <BR> <BR> <BR>  <HR> <BR> <BR>But in the end,<FONT color=#cc0000> I'm</FONT> still flattered that you'd say my posts are informative. <BR>Edit: I know what you are going to say. I shouldn't have started that last sentence with the word "But". <BR> <BR>  <HR> <BR>There's a saying about people in glass houses. :smileyhappy:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Manyak]

<DIV>"You'd" can also mean "you would".</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And yes, those other grammar corrections are neccesarry. Dont believe me? Go buy a gramar book.</DIV>

[Effie]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> DaMutation wrote:<BR> <DIV>"You'd" can also mean "you would".</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And yes, those other grammar corrections are neccesarry. Dont believe me? Go buy a gramar book.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I ran that post through MS Word spell and grammar check and it came out with no errors. That's not to say MS Word is infallible, but I think I would trust it over someone who uses ur as a replacement for your or you're. :smileywink:</P> <P> </P> <P>Cheers!</P>

[Effie]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> DaMutation wrote:<BR> <DIV>"You'd" can also mean "you would".</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And yes, those other grammar corrections are <FONT color=#cc0000>neccessary</FONT>. <FONT color=#33cc00>If you</FONT> <FONT color=#cc0000>d</FONT><FONT color=#cc0000>on't </FONT>believe me<FONT color=#33cc00>, go</FONT> buy a <FONT color=#cc0000>grammar</FONT> book.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Glass houses.

[Terron]

<blockquote><hr>Effie wrote:<div></div><p>I ran that post through MS Word spell and grammar check and it came out with no errors. That's not to say MS Word is infallible, but I think I would trust it over someone who uses ur as a replacement for your or you're. :smileywink:</p><hr></blockquote>I wouldn't. I know MS Word is wrong in many cases. Partly becuase of its bias to the american dialect, and partly because it is based on the idea that english grammar is prescriptive. It also has a tendancy to say things are wrong just so you think it is worthwhile.<div></div>

[Melmoth1820]

Don't make me whip out my grammar [Removed for Content].  Some guy already walked into my office this morning to question the first line of a letter I wrote, and I explained to him how possessives work.  WHAT WHAT<p>Message Edited by Melmoth1820 on <span class=date_text>05-04-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:45 AM</span>

[Manyak]

<DIV>Did you konw taht if you siwcth all the ltetres in the mdidle of wrods, as lnog as you keep the frsit and lsat ltetres the smae its sitll comlpetley unerdsadntalbe? The huamn mnid is amzanig soemtmeis =0</DIV>

[Seffrid]

<DIV>I'm surprised no-one has picked up on the split infinitive at the end of Effie's initial critical post :smileywink:!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That said, I'm with Effie. I hate constant corruption of the written language based on the feeble and wholly irrelevant argument that it's standard practice on a forum. Similarly, I hate posts in which every other sentence or phrase ends with "lol".</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Like it or not, I'm afraid that for those of a certain age and outlook such things do give an impression of immaturity, often undeserved. The silly thing is that typing "ur" instead of "your" really doesn't save any time or effort at all. It's pure laziness and such things should be left where they belong, in text messaging on a mobile.</DIV>