So long proc DPS

[WAPCE]

From the <a href="http://patch.everquest2.com:7010/patch/eq2/motd/en/updates_test.html" target=_blank>Test Update Notes</a>:<BR><BR> <I>*** Combat ***<BR><BR> - A spell's chance to trigger a proc is now adjusted based on its cast time.</I><BR><BR> I think I'll miss the perma-procing Skywatcher robe the most.

[Barobra]

<DIV>What does this mean exactly. That doesn't seem to descriptive.</DIV>

[WAPCE]

While we don't know at exactly what rate it was adjusted yet, it means faster casting spells will proc less than longer casting spells. It's not unlike the Ranger proc adjustments.

[Jinnchanter]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> WAPCE wrote:<BR>While we don't know at exactly what rate it was adjusted yet, it means faster casting spells will proc less than longer casting spells. It's not unlike the Ranger proc adjustments.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>ENC Spells often have shorter time than other mage classes. For this point, Enc proc dps will be reduced.

[Stealth Status]

<P> No more beam line of spell procing dyna again and again while using Chronosiphon or Perpetuality.</P> <P> </P> <P>Dam soe! [Removed for Content] us all day and all night. [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]!</P>

[Zebsen]

<DIV>Wizards and warlocks of the world rejoice.  Now you too will have synergism...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>At least when rangers got nerfed, they got some developer response and later some marginal rebalancing...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This isn't good.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>:smileysad:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zebsen</DIV>

[Zebsen]

<P>Well, the more I thought about this, the more I think I see what the devs were trying to accomplish.  Like it or not, enchanters do have an unfair advantage with regards to item procs vs. the other casting classes.  This will level the playing field for proc items, and as a probable side effect also hit our synergism line hard.  If I have to guess I'd say that this will hit our DPS significantly since I doubt they will balance it to proc as frequently as it was off of our "good" targets.</P> <P>On a semi-related note, I did send a quick PM to Lockeye about this nerf and how it was going to hit illusionists pretty hard.  I politely asked if we could get some kind of idea of what/when a change for enchanters would be arriving to help balance some of the nerfs out.  I did get a quick reply already, stating that the changes are on their way in LU24.  That was all it stated.  The stuff on test right now is LU23, I believe.  So, realistically LU24 is probably over a month off till live servers.  Hopefully something good will be on test in the next few weeks.</P> <P>Thought I'd share.  I hadn't seen a LU scheduled number anywhere yet.  If I had, I don't remember it.  Hopefully this will help balance things out a bit.</P> <P>Zebsen</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Pins]

So, yah, this was semi-expected, except, now I'm a [Removed for Content] tool in LU23, I'm kinda glad I cancelled my account for other reasons now more and more. If these changes continue to go against our DPS, I think I'll let my account die off.

[Melmoth1820]

<DIV>Well, I understand sort-of since we're not supposed to be a dps class, but it's not like we were outpacing the dps classes anyways.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>QQ and ><.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>P.S.  Wtb stun/mez on different immunities as compensation, ty.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Melmoth1820 on <span class=date_text>04-21-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:16 PM</span>

[pera]

<blockquote><hr>Melmoth1820 wrote:<div>Well, I understand sort-of since we're not supposed to be a dps class, but it's not like we were outpacing the dps classes anyways.</div> <div> </div> <div>QQ and ><.</div> <div> </div> <div>P.S.  Wtb stun/mez on different immunities as compensation, ty.</div><p>Message Edited by Melmoth1820 on <span class="date_text">04-21-2006</span> <span class="time_text">04:16 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Agreed theres a differance between a utilty class that can actualy do some dps and an afk buff bot. <div></div>

[Manyak]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Melmoth1820 wrote:<BR> <DIV>Well, I understand sort-of since we're not supposed to be a dps class, but it's not like we were outpacing the dps classes anyways.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>QQ and ><.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>P.S.  Wtb stun/mez on different immunities as compensation, ty.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Melmoth1820 on <SPAN class=date_text>04-21-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>04:16 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>At raids, but ONLY at raids, i am always pushing out T1 dps. That is, of course, only because of evry1s procs. I can't even count how many wizzies are [Removed for Content] at me right now.</P> <P>For the record, im already working on a brigand - one of the very few classes that isnt completely jacked up. Lvl 43 and climbing fast =)</P>

[zit]

<P>this change to proc rate on spells was announced already when the ranger poison proc was fixed.</P> <P>i was a bit surprised that it didnt go live back then and hoped that it would be an oversight and would need at least half a year till it finally gets fixed like it usually is the case. </P> <P>but oh well, enchanter adjustments tend to get implemented really fast it seems - at least as long as they cut down our abilities .</P> <P> </P> <P>Message Edited by zitha on <SPAN class=date_text>04-23-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>05:37 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by zitha on <span class=date_text>04-23-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:04 AM</span>

[Pins]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> zitha wrote:<BR> <P>this change to proc rate on spells was announced already when the ranger poison proc was fixed.</P> <P>i was a bit surprised that it didnt go live back then and hoped that it would be an oversight and would need at least half a year till it finally gets fixed like it usually is the case. </P> <P>but oh well, enchanter adjustments tend to get implemented really fast it seems - at least as long as they cut down our abilities .</P> <P> </P> <P>Message Edited by zitha on <SPAN class=date_text>04-23-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>05:37 AM</SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by zitha on <SPAN class=date_text>04-23-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>06:04 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Actually, it was never announced.  I continually asked on those threads will this apply to spell procs.  No response.  My posts about whether it would start to apply to spell procs was CONTINUALLY ignored.  But alas, now we have it coming onto us, even though it was never responded to back when it was an issue.

[zit]

ah well, must have been some sense of foreboding then....

[Nupr]

<DIV>They are trying to make us a buff bot, I have proof!  I just got Sky Gazer's Cap in Labs, it's the enchanter fabled hat, and it has +7 ordination.  Heh.  Now we'll fizzle disappointment less.</DIV>

[Sadaro]

Blast.  I just picked up my bone-clasped girdle and the mystic orb collection quest earring to complete my set of proc'cing armor.  When this goes live, I'll take a serious dent in my solo, group, and raid DPS.  Since I wasn't scoring T1 DPS in any play style (but a very solid T3 with spikes to T2 across the board), I figure I'll drop to a T4 with spikes to T3.Sigh.  If they follow the typical SONY pattern, they'll nerf our procs, hear all the active illusionist complain, then give us a minor damage boost a month or two later.Sadari70 IllusionistMistmoore<div></div>

[Pins]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Nupren wrote:<BR> <DIV>They are trying to make us a buff bot, I have proof!  I just got Sky Gazer's Cap in Labs, it's the enchanter fabled hat, and it has +7 ordination.  Heh.  Now we'll fizzle disappointment less.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Noo, we'll resist disappointment less <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Snek6]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> DaMutation wrote:<BR> <P>At raids, but ONLY at raids, i am always pushing out T1 dps. That is, of course, only because of evry1s procs. I can't even count how many wizzies are [Removed for Content] at me right now.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I can do T2 if the setting (number of targets, low mental resist, ideal length of combat,...) is right and I use pet (but overall raid damage is much worse than it'd be if I trashed the pet and buffed others). I could even call it T1 if there were no summoners around (for the same setting; I can hardly make it to T3 in others)</P> <P>But I always had the feeling our Dynamism proc counted as damage from the person casting the spell that triggered it (otherwise I'd always be T1). Am I missing something?<BR></P>

[Sadaro]

<blockquote><hr>Snek666 wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> DaMutation wrote: <div></div> <p>At raids, but ONLY at raids, i am always pushing out T1 dps. That is, of course, only because of evry1s procs. I can't even count how many wizzies are [Removed for Content] at me right now.</p> <hr> </blockquote> <p>I can do T2 if the setting (number of targets, low mental resist, ideal length of combat,...) is right and I use pet (but overall raid damage is much worse than it'd be if I trashed the pet and buffed others). I could even call it T1 if there were no summoners around (for the same setting; I can hardly make it to T3 in others)</p> <p>But I always had the feeling our Dynamism proc counted as damage from the person casting the spell that triggered it (otherwise I'd always be T1). Am I missing something?</p><hr></blockquote>Yes, our Dynamism line counts as DPS for the person that receives it. In a raid, I cast Synergism on the main tank because it helps him keep aggro -- especially if the MT is a paladin/shadowknight.However, a raiding group can load up their illusionist with as many spell procs as possible.  Because the illusionist has a much lower average casting time (I'd guess 1.5 seconds without the AA AGI line) than other mages, we hit those spell procs 2-6 times more often.  Sadari70 IllusionistMistmoore