When does the "Change Cities at any level" come?

[Dr_Cyr]

<div></div>All the coercers inthe game will probably be converting.  I know many will given the <a target="_blank" href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=spells&message.id=7693">latest mess</a> thats going on.You really have to wonder sometimes.Anyway. anyone heard anyting about when the quests will open up for city change?I guarantee you Illusionists will be gaining a LOT of high level converts from the Coercer ranks.  I'd be surprised if there were more than 2 coercers left per server, if that, at 60+ once they allow people to change sides (and by doing so, change professions).Just syaing you may want to get ready to greet a lot of high level illusioninsts that are re-learning the class.On the bright side, it does add to the numbers a bit, so maybe Sony will start listening a bit better to complaints from the class.[edit - added hyperlink to "latest mess"]<div></div><p>Message Edited by Dr_Cyrus on <span class="date_text">02-28-2006</span><span class="time_text">05:52 PM</span></p>

[Azamien-Dermorate]

<div></div><p>preaty sure that those items will be nerfed before that happens.</p><p> </p><p>and I would actulaly expect a good number of Illusionist to switch to Coercers too when it does become available.  serveral that I know want to be able to charm and didnt realize that illusionist couldnt continue on with the charms that we did have for a few months.    post LU13 -- pre lu19</p>

[Dr_Cyr]

You want to charm?Easy - go buy a charm off the city vendor.Its better than the coercer charm Dominate at Master i (level 47) and the 61 level Adpet I charm as well.Plus, unlike coercer charm, it does not break at random times.  You get the full duration of 30 minutes, and higher power and HP regen.And also unlike the coercer charm, it apparently takes no conc slots.  Meaning you can have your nuker persona out, AND charm a big tank mob to do your tanking. With the Charm medals, being an Illusionist will be far better than being a coercer, assuming you do a lot of writs and are in a high level guild.Nice, eh?<div></div>

[Pins]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Dr_Cyrus wrote:You want to charm?Easy - go buy a charm off the city vendor.Its better than the coercer charm Dominate at Master i (level 47) and the 61 level Adpet I charm as well.Plus, unlike coercer charm, it does not break at random times.  You get the full duration of 30 minutes, and higher power and HP regen.And also unlike the coercer charm, it apparently takes no conc slots.  Meaning you can have your nuker persona out, AND charm a big tank mob to do your tanking. With the Charm medals, being an Illusionist will be far better than being a coercer, assuming you do a lot of writs and are in a high level guild.Nice, eh?<div></div><hr></blockquote>Have you tried these charms yet?  are you even in a Guild Level 50 guild?  It also can only be used once, and costs a lot of gold/status points.  In fact, Charm M1 can charm pets that nuke for 4k, I doubt that with those you can charm more for damage.

[Dr_Cyr]

Try 30 minute duration, better power and HP regen than the equivalent level Master I spell.  And no conc slots used.In other words for about 20 writs and 2 gold, or 18 of those 650 point status turn-ins, you can get somethign thats better than the Master I of the main line of the class.Thats the objection.Its like selling Ice Comet beyond an M-1 level to anyone for the same thing - and hte ability to cast if for an hour at more damae and faster recast.

[merkla]

<div>12ksp isnt alot of status</div><div> would be cool to know if this medals are usable only once, and supposing so</div><div> </div><div>if u have like lets say 2,5milion status ( it isnt a big number) u can stock 20 medals <font color="#ff0000">aka 10 hours of perma charming</font></div><div>so basically u can go around do some writs and magically u gain the ability that made special the coercers</div><div> </div><div>wizards with a charmed tank pet, healers with a personal guardian, <font color="#ffff00">necro with 3 pets</font>, conjuror will be able to charm the pet and possess him?</div><div> </div><div>and coercer will fight to keep their pet charmed and it will cost 3 conc slots</div><div> </div><div>omg i cant believe they did that to coercers</div>

[Etillchou]

Apart from the fact it will be nerfed. Whats the big fuss about.How often did you as coercer charm a pet during a raid and how often was that really usefull. A coercer, for sure a raiding coercer is more then a char who can charm a pet.And trust me when you look at raiding capability a coercer stands above an illusionist (sadly <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />)

[Dr_Cyr]

Truth is, chanters in general have nothing to bring to most raids.  Bards are better combat buffers (plus evac and dirges get a combat rez), and the power regen is becoming less of an issue with all the Flowing Thought type of gear entering the game.  Several classes can charm/mez or stun adequately enough to work in raids, and there is a ton of stuff thats immune to chanter's mezzes and stuns.  Illus are stuck with a decision between buffs and pets, and coercers typically dont have much else to do since having a pet that can break charm then aggro on the raid and wipe it is not something anyone will be allowed to do.  Plus the power drains that are on almost every line ahve no meaning at all when the mobs die quickly.  And if they dont, the mob usually has so much power that even with 2 people throwing every drain they have on it , it still dies well over 3/4 power (thinking the final boss in the Nest, or other similar ^^^ heroic).Chanters are Not DPS (obviously).   Drains are ineffective due to mobs having way too much power.  DOTs are too low and slow.  Crowd Control is not only not needed in most places, its nto even possible in a vast majority of hihg level and raid contet.  And what light CC is needed is satisfied by other classes easily.  Our Buffs are not unique- and at the high end with everyone getting good gear, people are hitting the cap/limits with other classes buffs.  We dont heal.  We dont rez.  We dont even evac. So, no DPS, no unique CC, Buffs being made obsolescent by the new drops, no healing or rez, power regen by other classes (who ahve more useful buffs and dps) is adequate to replace a chanter easily.So, Sony, what exactly are enchanters supposed to DO in this game?<div></div>

[Milli]

What they want us to do?Either quit or re roll.That apparently what the design team has in mind.Looking at the miniscule number of coercers compared to all other classes, I'd say its working.I quit playing my coercer - and quit the game a while back.  I'm back now and leveled up a Necro in 1/4 the time, and with few troubles.Aside form the AA (Possess Minion) being hosed and them $crewing up tank pet taunts, Necros completely own coercers and illusionists in terms of spell sets, play ease, and dev attention.  The spells make sense, they all have the same "feel", and the stuff for necros just works.  You can tell the Devs pay attention to us, and the people working on our class actually play and raid as Necros.When I was a coercer, I felt completely ignored, and its now in hindsight blazingly obvious that the coercer dev or devs do not play the class as a main nor do they raid with the class.  This is in addition to feeling brutally $crewed over by bug after bug and nerf after nerf with no reasons or communication at all from the devs. I don't know how I stood it so long.I really don't know how anyone can stand to stay as a chanter for so long.  You guys (and me formerly) just get ignored/$crewed by the Devs that its funny if it were not so sad that good people were getting messed over.Thought I might see something on your AA's here, but apparently not much.  Either that or few people are playing illus any more that post.<div></div>

[Murdaben]

I see where you are coming from.Things are at the point where I am having more fun on a 20 something alt than I am on my over 60 chanter.<div></div>

[Azamien-Dermorate]

<div> </div><blockquote><hr>merklarx wrote:<div>12ksp isnt alot of status</div><div> would be cool to know if this medals are usable only once, and supposing so</div><div> </div><div>if u have like lets say 2,5milion status ( it isnt a big number) u can stock 20 medals <font color="#ff0000">aka 10 hours of perma charming</font></div><div>so basically u can go around do some writs and magically u gain the ability that made special the coercers</div><div> </div><div>wizards with a charmed tank pet, healers with a personal guardian, <font color="#ffff00">necro with 3 pets</font>, conjuror will be able to charm the pet and possess him?</div><div> </div><div>and coercer will fight to keep their pet charmed and it will cost 3 conc slots</div><div> </div><div>omg i cant believe they did that to coercers</div><hr></blockquote><div>Well thats a great idea except that these are lore (meaning you can only have one of each type at a time).  The fact that they are lore and are limited to the type of mob that each one can charm means that they aren't going to be used easly over and over.    Don't think most people are gona go thru the hastle of buying these very 30 minutes after the last one expires.   There are other charm items on the city merchants already that are availble (atleast a GL 40) and they are all one shot items (and all lore).  None of them looked very impressive to me, when I briefly looked at them and this charm would definantly stand alone as being the only one thats worthwhile if it doesnt get changed.</div><div> </div><div>If I was a betting man I would  definaly put money on the fact that these charm thingies <u>are going to get nerfed</u>.  I fully support and expect them to be nerfed.  And while it might take a few weeks for someone to figure out how to exploite with them after people can actually start getting them  (and I am sure some [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] will) then they will be nerfed to uselessness and anyone that wants a charm better go be a Coercer/troub/necro ect.  </div><div> </div><div> </div><div><blockquote><hr>Milliya wrote:Thought I might see something on your AA's here, but apparently not much.  Either that or few people are playing illus any more that post.<hr></blockquote>The enchanter aa's are hardly spectacular.   I love the first aa point I got with my 56 beserker (25% heal plus 10% dps) while the chanter one just plain sucks.   There are a none of the ablities really wow me so its one of those things taht I will spend the points but its not really giveing me that much (and very little to look forward to)</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div>