10 seconds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[lik]

<div>I have to be honest............Im  27 yrs old  in real life.......i have a full time job............i play this  game as much as i can...................i dont want to be spending  my  time  In norrath BUFFING...........if  the  10 second Buff  reaches a LIVE UPDAT---------->> good  bye to you all,,,i will not spend my time in norrath BUFFING . ..... call me a cry baby........But  my  real life time , is more important then  my Norrath time...............there is  my 2 cents</div>

[SirRusseII]

hehe, I am thinking about quitting also, ya a lot of changes are not quite reasonable and a lot of bugs are never cared about.   I have a few questions,1:  is personae really that big of a deal?  does it do damage? or can it tank?  what can it do really.2:  why do we take 10 sec to cast it?  illusionist sucks at making illusions?  why people can charm a pet so fast?  and need 1min for pet to recast that is u die when pet dies.3:  comparing illusionists to coecers, dirges, troubadors, I really do not think that I should spend more time playing this game.(coecers get 2 more stuns than illusionist with a buff that whenever target damages got stun for 4 sec, coecers has a spell roots target after damage, illusionist is mez target.  illusionist get 1 more mez and 1 more stifle than coecer but have heck less of mana regen.  Not to mention the pet we have, just cannot compare.)comparing illusionists with bard is even more heart broken...one word, illusionist-sucks...<div></div>

[SirRusseII]

oh ya 1 more note:coecer gets more stun and root ( target stank in place and can take damage or u have time to run)illusionist mez target and stifle target ( cant damage target when mezed, and stifled target still hit you a lot of melee damage)illusionists can cast mez while running but will be no point when any of the 4 dot spells we have landed on the target, comparing to coecer they can cast stun while running and what the hell is that all about?  ( illusionist mez cannot be interupted trade with coecer mez can still be casted while stun/stifled and a running casting stun?) I dont understand.if coecer want a dps pet he can get one easily, a healer pet can do 2k every 5 seconds plus a 600 dot every 2 seconds and heals like 1k when low on health and .   theres tank pet, sommoner pet and even illusionist as a pet.   hehe I really dont see how are these 2 classes balanced.coecers has a spell cast on target and when it cast it take damage, and also have another spell that when it use mana take damage, so when an epicx4 mob hit AE theres like 1.2k damage  multiply the target the spell hits...  that is if all 24 people got hit then the mob take 1.2k X 24 damage.  and it last 3 times per cast.  thats obviously a bug but never been fixed but keep getting illusionist nurfed, if I dont play both class I wouldnt know.   I am just being fair.  I really like my illusionist more than my coecer, though coecers level 60 and illusionist is 59.<div></div>

[Manyak]

<div></div><div>after playing a coercer as well as an illusionist (i can take over my friend's toon whenver i feel like it), i guarantee u that illusionists have the advantage when solo, and are equal if not better than coercers in groups. between everyones stuns and interrupts and stifles and all that, most of the coercer DPS doesnt even happen, so they are really left as mana regen. illusionists on the other hand can do DPS no matter what everyone else is doing to the mob. and in a group (especially XP ones), isnt it always the best to kill as fast as possible?</div><div> </div><div>its really only in raids where illus get the shaft and coercers are alot better. but in the end, they are both a waste.</div>

[zit]

<div></div><p>the grass is always greener at the other side.</p><p>lucky you, new betrayel is coming soon. so you can just move over to the other side of the fence and enjoy all advantages of being a coercer.</p>

[Manyak]

<div></div><div>yup, thats what its gonna come down to.</div><div> </div><div>but whatevr. as for me, ive found something good about being an illu. i get to spend more time leading raids and less time worrying about doing my part.....autofollow does it for me <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><div> </div><div>then again, id be doing the same thing if i were a coercer too. only id do it alot better.</div><div> </div><div>still not fun either way u look at it.</div>

[BoriKitty]

<div>so let me get this straight.. we have a 30 second timer (Conjurer doesn't) and NOW we have a 10 second casting timer?  Are they planning to change Conjurer to so we are "equal"?  Pardon teh fuss but my personae is nothing more than a speedbump.  No way in hades is my personae a tank like a Conjurer's..  I can't heal it, buff it, nothing.. it gets chopped down faster than a "pet" class.</div>

[Pins]

<blockquote><hr>BoriKitty wrote:<div>so let me get this straight.. we have a 30 second timer (Conjurer doesn't) and NOW we have a 10 second casting timer?  Are they planning to change Conjurer to so we are "equal"?  Pardon teh fuss but my personae is nothing more than a speedbump.  No way in hades is my personae a tank like a Conjurer's..  I can't heal it, buff it, nothing.. it gets chopped down faster than a "pet" class.</div><hr></blockquote>They removed the 30s recast timer. As for the 10s, I go and take on a solo mob if I need to recast my pet and get my spell haste up as much as possible and then start casting it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[BoriKitty]

<div></div>Ah okay so it's an immediate just like conjurer... Okay I can deal with that.. if it was ADDED to it .. I would have been totally freaking out.

[Zebsen]

<div></div><div>Dare I say this is an improvement?  Unless you are trying to keep a group mezzed until you can get a new pet up, in which case the 10 second cast time could be fatal...</div><div> </div><div>Zebsen</div>

[Jaxidi]

<div>Sounds to me like they're just putting us in line with other pet classes (without actually looking at their cast times but my conj I think is instant recast but like 10s cast).</div>

[SirRusseII]

for those think coecer got no dps after the mob is stuned is wrong.   if you charm a defiler type of pet with a good version of charm spell(adept3 +) you will see what I am talking about the pet really do 2k damage per 3-5 sec along with a 600 dot per 2 sec.  and if you want AE then charm a warlock pet, it does 1.5k to AE and 2K to single mob pretty fast recast timer.  I know it cause I am a coecer.  I like defiler pet the best cause first it get agro very easily since pet do high and fast damage, and pet heals ward a lot when health is lower than mana.   I get even better dps when mob is just rooted, since whenever enemy attacks my pet gets tons damage also.  in group I do a lot damage also, most because of my pet, 90% tank cant hold agro off my pet.  well I didnt use the hate gain buff on MT since I charmed a pet, but we were fine, kill fast enough.   in raiding I do even better dps, other than mana regen, and agro control I still can do a lot of damage, believe it or not, my level 60 coecer got highest dps on raiding lockjar last night haha, if you dont know how to play coecer then dont say coecer is just as good as illusionist.  in raid illusionist I think can hardly do any damage other than some mana management and some hate management.  well coecer get much better mana regen and mana management and I also got hate management spell that has shorter recast time eventhough not as fancy as illusionist spell but I think its more useful and I can use it more often.  oh and I dont think illusionist can even get to top 10 dps in a 24 people raid, not to mention highest dps.<div></div>

[Mihos]

<div></div><p>^   Where did that come from?</p><p> </p><p>Mihos</p>

[MyChatBot]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div>It's not an improvement at all. It hampers us. They clearly decided that illusionists casting pets quickly while being attacked or just about to be attacked made us too strong in some way, so they hamstrung us again. A quickly cast pet helped us balance out some of the issues (me anyway), but now, like they said, we're only as good as anybody else, with a weaker pet.IMHO, what SoE is doing to illusionists is unacceptable. They are obviously confused as to what to do with the class, and it's increasingly less fun to play. I have trouble finding xp groups, conjurors can't stand the site of us (ok go ahead say "I'm a conjuror and love illusionists", I assure you, you're few and far between), we're more or less useless on raids except for particular cases. Max DPS rules the day and since the word "assist" seems to mean "randomly target and DoT constantly" in EQ2, half of what we do really well just gets unused unless a non-encounter mob shows up (and nobody else sees it).They've taken away our agro mitigation and a decent stun (stupefy, which I used regularly), they took away our ability to enhance our spell damage (intensify), they removed our ability to single target invis while in a group, they turn all of our constructs of logics into the boring noob cube, and now we have to wait 10 seconds to cast a pet, meaning we have to be a lot more careful about what we're controlling in order to cast it.And a great deal of this, without any explanation or notice at all. Oh, and thanks for the gold back I spent getting Stupefy to master...because, you know, I'm so rich.The past two updates have been dismal for illusionists indeed. We just keep getting wittled away in a game where the majority say we're useless anyway. The worst nerfed? I don't know. But it doesn't have to be the worst to be bad.<div></div><p>Message Edited by MyChatBot on <span class="date_text">02-21-2006</span><span class="time_text">08:07 PM</span></p>

[Manyak]

<div>gah here we go with another illu/coercer thing. im serisouly not even in the mood to reply</div><div> </div><div>but the server is down, so what the hell......</div><div> </div><div>First of all let me say that when i mean a chanter soloing i mean a chanter soloing heroics. I imagine most of us are doing it, so why not stick to that.</div><div> </div><div><blockquote><hr>if you charm a defiler type of pet with a good version of charm spell(adept3 +) you will see what I am talking about the pet really do 2k damage per 3-5 sec along with a 600 dot per 2 sec<hr></blockquote>great. but do u always have a defiler pet in every zone and in every situation? and in groups?</div><div> </div><div><blockquote><hr>and if you want AE then charm a warlock pet, it does 1.5k to AE and 2K to single mob pretty fast recast timer.<hr></blockquote>if im soloing heroics, the last thing i wanna do is aoe a whole encounter instead of mezz em and take em down one by one. unless of course, i use IA on it. But then again, coercers dont exactly got that.</div><div> </div><div></div><blockquote><hr>I get even better dps when mob is just rooted, since whenever enemy attacks my pet gets tons damage also. <hr></blockquote><div>isnt this what i said before? that the mob has to attack for u to do GOOD damage? a heroic mob would tear down ur pet extremely quick anyway, making it pretty much useless to have even brought it out.</div><blockquote><hr> in group I do a lot damage also, most because of my pet, 90% tank cant hold agro off my pet.  well I didnt use the hate gain buff on MT since I charmed a pet, but we were fine, kill fast enough.<hr></blockquote><div>so you dont care that charm is bugged in groups? the last time i played the coercer, having a mob charmed while in a group permanently locks them in battlle, which kills any regen they would have from food. having to kill the pet, wait for regen when needed, and then find another god pet and charm it = slower XP. of course, if they fixed it, it would be a different story.</div><div> </div><div><blockquote><hr>in raiding I do even better dps, other than mana regen, and agro control I still can do a lot of damage, believe it or not, my level 60 coecer got highest dps on raiding lockjar last night haha<hr></blockquote>thats cuz of the multi spell whip procs off the aoe all at once. as of today you cant do it anymore. feel free to try. ur supposedly UBER raid DPS comes from a mob AOEing on the whole raid, so i dunno about how u guys do it, but we usually JOUST aoes so that no1 gets hit except the MT. that means no uber coercer DPS.</div><div> </div><div><blockquote><hr>in raid illusionist I think can hardly do any damage other than some mana management and some hate management. <hr></blockquote>as of today (no more bruiser/illu combo, and no more coercer multi aoe procs), yes, illus hardly do any damage. but thats only when compared to wizzies and rangers. when compared to coercers, they still do a whole lot more damage. and FYI, we dont have anything for hate management other than IA, which has close to a 0% usefulness at raids. in all cases IA=suicide, and in alot of cases a wipe too.</div><div> </div><div><blockquote><hr>well coecer get much better mana regen and mana management and I also got hate management spell that has shorter recast time eventhough not as fancy as illusionist spell but I think its more useful and I can use it more often.<hr></blockquote>all this is true</div><div> </div><div><blockquote><hr>oh and I dont think illusionist can even get to top 10 dps in a 24 people raid, not to mention highest dps.<hr></blockquote>before today, an illusionist, in the right group, could alot of the times get to #1 if there wasnt any ranger at the raid who was in the right group also. and i actually do parse in the top 10 at EVERY raid where im not mezzing. and like i said before, coercers can only parse that high IF their raid is being hit by AoEs. and at our raids at least, the only time u would be able to do that is if the aoe was unavoidable. which isnt very often.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div>but anyway, im not arguing that illus are better in raids. a coercer is twice as valuable to a raid as an illu. illus only have the advantage when solo or in a duo. in groups they are about as equal, and in raids coercer pwn illus. anyway today things change, well see how it works out.</div>

[Etillchou]

<blockquote><hr>SirRusseII wrote:oh and I dont think illusionist can even get to top 10 dps in a 24 people raid, not to mention highest dps.<div></div><hr></blockquote>hehe I wonder which illusionist you've seen playing <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> And i know for sure you haven't been in Poets palace the return with an illusionist yet <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Ardnahoy]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>liken wrote:<div>I have to be honest............Im  27 yrs old  in real life.......i have a full time job............i play this  game as much as i can...................i dont want to be spending  my  time  In norrath BUFFING...........if  the  10 second Buff  reaches a LIVE UPDAT---------->> good  bye to you all,,,i will not spend my time in norrath BUFFING . ..... call me a cry baby........But  my  real life time , is more important then  my Norrath time...............there is  my 2 cents</div><hr></blockquote><p>I know my illusionist is only 32 but I have no problem at all with a 10 second cast time. If my pet dies, I mez the mob and cast a new one. Whats the big deal? Mez lasts 30 seconds. If the mob has DoTs on it, I'll root it and wait for them to wear off. I really don't see a problem with the cast time.</p><p>With the agro system in its current state, when my pet dies, it takes forever for a new pet to build agro. I've casted mid-battle pets that would be attacking the rooted mob and the mob ignored the pet completely. Its scary to see a mob staring at you, just waiting for that root to break, completely ignoring the pet that is standing next to it, attcking with spells and melee. You just know that you will be toast when the pet breaks root.</p>