Test Server update 20b

[Rask]

Illusionist changes:- Personae requires a 10 second casting time as with other permanent pet summons.http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=tup&message.id=110Just great. Do other pet classes have to wait 30 seconds before they can resummon another pet when theirs die as well?I guess this is their way of making mez spells more viable.

[Pins]

<blockquote><hr>Rasken wrote:Illusionist changes:- Personae requires a 10 second casting time as with other permanent pet summons.http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=tup&message.id=110Just great. Do other pet classes have to wait 30 seconds before they can resummon another pet when theirs die as well?I guess this is their way of making mez spells more viable.<hr></blockquote>No, they do not, hence this is a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] and unproved change. In fact I was looking at the beta updates and going, uhhhh, what happened here?

[Manyak]

<div></div>summoners have a 0 sec recast time on their pets. if we getting a 10 sec casting timer, we better be getting a 0 sec recast too

[Chrysostom]

Gotta chime in on this one. What?!!! Why??!!! Huh?  It just does not make any sense.  I suppose it will be find if they reduce our recast timer to bring the spell in line with other permanent pets.  But even so. If it ain't broke, why fix it? Don't they have better things they can do for our class issues?<div></div>

[Nephretiti]

<div></div>This just sucks.  Now they are openly referring to us as a 'pet class'.  If that is what we are why cant we have an instant recast?  Why can't we have a pet that will last longer than 2 hits?

[Xanoth]

<div>can they not just remove the persona and give us something useful?</div><div> </div><div>if i wanted a conjurer i'd be playing one.</div><div> </div><div>not sitting around waiting to be turned into some half arsed mongral of a class.</div>

[Impetus]

<blockquote><hr>Xanoth wrote:<div>can they not just remove the persona and give us something useful?</div><div></div><div>if i wanted a conjurer i'd be playing one.</div><div></div><div>not sitting around waiting to be turned into some half arsed mongral of a class.</div><hr></blockquote>I find it to be pretty useful when soloing. In fact I'd find soloing quite a bit more difficult without the pet. What would you want instead?I guess what I'm saying is that for the times I want/need to solo, I wouldn't want to go back to pre-LU13 stifle-tank soloing or trying to solo with that pos root we have.Completely fictional Lockeye quote in regards to the new pet casting time:"I witnessed an illusionist bringing out a second pet within 32 seconds, and combined with a mez spell, this allowed him to solo a yellow triple-up mob. No other class is capable of such a heroic feat." <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Manyak]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Impetus wrote:<blockquote><hr>Xanoth wrote:<div>can they not just remove the persona and give us something useful?</div><div></div><div>if i wanted a conjurer i'd be playing one.</div><div></div><div>not sitting around waiting to be turned into some half arsed mongral of a class.</div><hr></blockquote>I find it to be pretty useful when soloing. In fact I'd find soloing quite a bit more difficult without the pet. What would you want instead? <font color="#ff3366">My uber root.</font>I guess what I'm saying is that for the times I want/need to solo, I wouldn't want to go back to pre-LU13 stifle-tank soloing or trying to solo with that pos root we have. <font color="#ff3366">Aye, we dont have much of a choice. </font>Completely fictional Lockeye quote in regards to the new pet casting time:"I witnessed an illusionist bringing out a second pet within 32 seconds, and combined with a mez spell, this allowed him to solo a yellow triple-up mob. No other class is capable of such a heroic feat." <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><hr></blockquote>The point is though, that we DONT WANT PETS. None of us rolled anchanters to be a pet class. And most of us would have prefered it to stay that way.

[Zaile]

<blockquote>The point is though, that we DONT WANT PETS. None of us rolled anchanters to be a pet class. And most of us would have prefered it to stay that way.<hr></blockquote>I love the pet. It brings out our crowd control skills in soloing in ways that were only possible with a group before. And when you are in a real group, you dont need the pet so it really doesnt matter. The real "pet classes" need the pet to be useful at all, we dont. It is a bonus in my opinion. Enchanters in EQ have always had some form of pet (remember the walking shield and sword days?), but they just haven't been as affective. As long as we can solo (I can very well) and as long as we are valuable to a group (we are), then who cares...However, I would like to know what the implications are for this 10 second change. Anyone have any further info on this??

[Eyes_of_Truth]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>DaMutation wrote:<div></div>The point is though, that we DONT WANT PETS. None of us rolled anchanters to be a pet class. And most of us would have prefered it to stay that way.<hr></blockquote><p>Oh do shut up, noone is forcing you to use the blasted thing!</p><p>I personaly love it.</p><p>It does not take away from our ability to CC or augment our allies (with the exception of the rediculous 3 concentration cost), and is actually another viable form of CC for us if used properly.</p><p>Not only does it help with CC, if the devs ever make power draining a viable tactic in this game, it is also rather profficient at that skill as well.</p><p>YOU DONT WANT PET? So? Every mage to date has some form of minon, though wizard and warlock only recive a dumbfire. Get over it, if you dont want a controlable or dumbfire pet, go swashbuckler or assassin... afaik rangers now get a dumbfire hawk, and brigands get a team of thugs as their new level 60+ skill lol...</p><p> </p><p>Really though, i could say i made a berserker for ubahr dps!!one!11!, does that mean i should out damage a wizard? If i make a Templar just to heal, does that mean i give up every other debuff and such, and does that mean i should surpass Wardens in healing?</p><p>Sorry if having a pet completely shatters your idea of an illusionist... personaly, a doppleganger is one of the most logical additions to the illusionist's spell line.</p><p> </p><p>Does that mean i enjoy the myriad of defects w/ our class currently, inregards to the "need" for cc and the lack luster performance of our buffs, coupled with the fact that we can hardly maximize their potiental while using our Personae due to its unfixed 3 concentration slot issue? Nope.</p><p> </p>

[Imokles]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>DaMutation wrote:<div></div>The point is though, that we DONT WANT PETS. None of us rolled anchanters to be a pet class. And most of us would have prefered it to stay that way.<hr></blockquote>Wrong. I  love the pet.

[ScamprinSlippy]

<div></div>i love the pet also :p

[Nephretiti]

<div></div>Don't get me wrong here folks - i DO use the pet all the time - my complaint is that with this idiotic nerf we get to wait 40 seconds before we have a new pet - all other 'pet classes' have to wait 10 seconds.  Someone PLEASE explain to me how this is 'fair' - which is the indication I got from the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] patch note saying they were breinging it "in line with other permanent pets".  Hell - to tell the truth I would WELCOME a 10 second cast time IF they dropped the 30 second recast timer.  That would be an improvement.  But they didn't.  And if their reasoning behind it is that we Illusionists have a more uber pet than any other "pet class" - well then i think EVERYONE would have to disagree - NO ONE believes that Illusionist pets are superior to ANY other pet.

[ximo]

I do think this is a bit unnecesarry as I thought our compromise was that the pet uses up 3 conc slots! Isnt that enough?<div></div>

[MrDiz]

Now im not exactly a fan of pets... but errr .... what on earth is the thinking on this change? Did I miss something whereby illusionist pets were overpowered and unbalancing the game? Did some other pet class out there complain because of our casting time?I mean seriously Sony, what exactly was the point of this change other than to seriously irritate people?

[SunT]

<div></div><p>This is just the standard bi-weekly Illusionist nerf.</p><p>Look back and check it out.  Almost like clockwork they nerf us significantly or insignificantly every 2 weeks.</p><p>Fixes come once a year and only stay for a month. </p><p>So by my calculation we will get our next fix 11 nerfs from now.  It will last for 2 nerfs then go away and we will be right back here again.</p>

[Jvaloth]

<div>Ya sounds about right.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Sony has a tendancy to always take 1 step forward, 2 steps back.    And when they take that one step forward and they see people are happy with the change, they make a knee jerk reaction and insta nerf 3 other things to make up for making people happy!    </div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Where'd they pull this change out of anyway?   I mean seriously... was some dev just sitting there with his feet up on the table fiddling his thumbs and a light bulb popped over his head... "I GOT IT!!! Lets add a 10 sec recast time on top of the 30 sec recast time!!!!!  This is a perfect way to ummm fiddle with the class so we have something to put in the patch notes for illusionists!!"      Yes Man #2 replies  "Brilliant!!!"</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Freaking SOE...</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div>

[zit]

<div></div><p>so any bets on what will get nerfed next?</p><p>:smileytongue:</p>

[Pins]

<blockquote><hr>zitha wrote:<div></div><p>so any bets on what will get nerfed next?</p><p>:smileytongue:</p><hr></blockquote>Mez durations? Wait no, they nerfed that already once.Stun durations? Wait, again nerfed once already.Color Shower's stifle duration? Nope, nerfed already.Root duration? Wait, they buffed this, but nerfed it's ability to stick.Stifle duration? Erm, nerfed already!Savante %age? Erm, nerfed already, sighThis leaves us with the only un-changed thing is our damage potential based on non-bugged values. Which I expect us to get nerfed soon. Fact is I can reach 900dps(still trying to hit that magical 1000 mark, I think I can do it with a bit more work) on a single target at 70, fully mastered with a melee and a troub in my group. Yes, 900dps without using the bugged prismatic shock.

[Darmash]

Our melee ability has been improved in LU13 and never nerfed since !!<div></div>

[Mihos]

<div>I like my pet.</div><div> </div><div>Mihos</div>

[zit]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Darmash wrote:Our melee ability has been improved in LU13 and never nerfed since !!<div></div><hr></blockquote>shhh, dont tell them...

[Mobindi]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>zitha wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Darmash wrote:Our melee ability has been improved in LU13 and never nerfed since !!<div></div><hr></blockquote>shhh, dont tell them...<hr></blockquote>Too late....:smileysad:

[Manyak]

<div></div><p>Out of curiosity...when we had an uber root to tear through heroics, did any of u bring out the pet even once? <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>that was my point. of course now we dont got a choice. and therefore, i do find my pet useful. that doesnt mean that i like it tho <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>and actually, they are improving our melee!!! our uber enchnter AAs are giving us mezz and stifle procs, and increased strength!!! for the fist time i think id like them to nerf something <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Pins]

<div></div>Well, they made it instant recast now, so <img src="/smilies/1cfd6e2a9a2c0cf8e74b49b35e2e46c7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Manyak]

<div></div>well in a way its better.....i mean say ur soloing something and ur pet dies, u now need only 10 sec to bring it back out instead of 32 <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Nephretiti]

<div></div><p>Then i suppose that, for once, our whining paid off?</p><p> </p><p>On a side not,</p><p> </p><p><font color="#ff0000">Thank you Devs!  We appreciate it!</font></p>

[Manyak]

<div></div><p>lol i was being sarcastic....id prefer waiting 30 sec for a recast than spending 10 sec to cast. with a 30 sec recast and 2 sec casting time, that gives 30 sec to do other stuff and 2 sec to cast the pet. so with a lot of mezzes running (like i ALWAYS got in LT when solo), u gotta buy urself 10 sec to get that pet back out, which might not happen.</p>

[zit]

<div></div><p>long cast time with no recast or short cast time with long recast, both is ok for me.</p><p>the only reason why i had prefered to stay it like before, is to have some more distinction beween classes. although only a minor change it still blurs the line between classes even more. and a lot of small changes sum up sooner or later also and there isnt that much uniquness in this game anyways.</p>

[Nephretiti]

<div></div>G-Dammit - I fuggin hate the Devs!  FIX THIS CRAP NOW!

[Eyes_of_Truth]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Pinski wrote:<div></div>Well, they made it instant recast now, so <img src="/smilies/1cfd6e2a9a2c0cf8e74b49b35e2e46c7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><hr></blockquote>Is this on beta, cause as of 2/19/06 on the test server, it still has a 10 casting time and 30 recast :smileysad:

[Pins]

<div></div>yep.

[zit]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Pinski wrote:<blockquote><hr>zitha wrote:<div></div><p>so any bets on what will get nerfed next?</p><p>:smileytongue:</p><hr></blockquote>Mez durations? Wait no, they nerfed that already once.Stun durations? Wait, again nerfed once already.Color Shower's stifle duration? Nope, nerfed already.Root duration? Wait, they buffed this, but nerfed it's ability to stick.Stifle duration? Erm, nerfed already!Savante %age? Erm, nerfed already, sigh,,,<hr></blockquote><p>hm, did we all just miss the one that actually got nerfed or was it only me who had not realized the spell change yet ?</p><p>Mez on Aneurysm / Embolism looks so different now....</p><p>My guess is it was changed with lvl 1-20 revamp, but cannot really say for sure. Anyone noticed it before already or read something in patch notes?</p>