Making a dueling chanter

[Kasai]

Like the title says im making a chanter...probably mainly for duels and such...is illus. good?<div></div>

[Etillchou]

Personally I've only lost from a ranger altho i didnt fight m yet with a very high poison resist.Any other class is beatable easy.but is an illu good in pvp? that i doubt.. we're too slow compared to a berserker who kills with a single rampage etc

[trenor]

<div></div><p>You have obviously never dueled a bruiser.  If you do itn makes dueling rangers childs play.</p><p> </p><p>Fiz</p>

[Etillchou]

I fought m and won.remember their ability to ignore stuns, mezz etc isn't forever <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> at least, after running for 30 seconds i could get control somehow for several times<p>Message Edited by Etillchou on <span class="date_text">02-04-2006</span><span class="time_text">06:37 PM</span></p>

[Pins]

<div></div>Bruisers are a pain, even without their immunity they hit hard, and stun a lot.  I can barely beat a bruiser when his immunity isn't up.

[Manyak]

<div></div>bruisers are really the only class i have problems with....for those rangers and whatevr all u need is a see sneak totem

[Merkad]

I wonder why everyone (not just you guys) think all Rangers are insta gimped if someone has see stealth? Honestly, I expect everyone I duel to have a totem ( I mean they cost like 2 gold), and even so I rarely use stealth other than to try to drop my opponents target.I don't think Rangers would have such a good duel reputation if we were defeated by such a small thing as see stealth. Unless most of us only fight duels we can win.What I would give for SOE to add a cross server mini instance just for duelers from other servers, win or lose, I would like to test my skill/luck/whatever against alot of people from various classes. Dueling is quite alot of fun.... Anyways, good luck folks, and if any of you are on Najena and want a duel, look me up please.Merkades, 60th Ranger.Siege, Najena.

[Padi]

<div></div><p>From levels 22-57 coercers beat illusionist</p><p>but illusionists are probably better than coercers against other melee as they can cast mez while on the run and prevent a barrage of stuns (coercers are still interrupted while casting mez from stuns and such), but against one another, coercers win.</p><p>Against people with choke proc'ing gear, a coercer would be better.</p>

[Arja]

<div></div><p>Coercer's are no match for Illusionists.</p><p>I had a fight with a 60 Coercer and I was toying with him. Same with a Necro, Wizard and Warlock.</p><p>Illusionist Versus Any Mage, Any Plate Tank = Win.</p><p>I have fought a Ranger, Bruiser and Troubador and had my [Removed for Content] seriously spanked by each of them.</p><p>The Bruiser fight was amazing, I think it lasted 1.4 seconds. Ranger was also hard as he resisted all my stuns.</p><p>Troubador was a very intersting fight. Im sure with a few more tries I could beat him but he was tough. We lack the DPS to burn down a Troubador combined with our CC Abilities.</p>

[Manyak]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Merkades wrote:I wonder why everyone (not just you guys) think all Rangers are insta gimped if someone has see stealth? Honestly, I expect everyone I duel to have a totem ( I mean they cost like 2 gold), and even so I rarely use stealth other than to try to drop my opponents target.I don't think Rangers would have such a good duel reputation if we were defeated by such a small thing as see stealth. Unless most of us only fight duels we can win.What I would give for SOE to add a cross server mini instance just for duelers from other servers, win or lose, I would like to test my skill/luck/whatever against alot of people from various classes. Dueling is quite alot of fun.... Anyways, good luck folks, and if any of you are on Najena and want a duel, look me up please.Merkades, 60th Ranger.Siege, Najena.<hr></blockquote><p>when put against other classes, them having see stealth might not mean anything, i do agree. but with illus, a rangers strategy is usually one of the following (correct me if im wrong)</p><p>1) start off close to the illusionist, and use cheap shot------doesn't work cuz spellshield reflects cheap shot, so u stun urself</p><p>2) start off far and use a ranged CA------doesnt work cuz illus can mezz faster than u can cast a CA (spellshield also reflects stream of arrows)</p><p>3) sneak and then run far off so u can have enough time to cast a CA before being mezzed------this is the way to beat an illu, but with a see sneak totem it wont work</p><p> </p><p>i havent seen any other tactics used by rangers (and ive dueled plenty), but this is the logic im using to say that a see sneak totem with an illu means a ranger's death. of course though, the illlu would have to be smart enough to root u in place and let u melee, so that this way there arent as many poison procs.</p>

[Merkad]

Thanks for the reply. I don't know about other folks, but as I like dueling and read other classes dueling threads, I knew that cheapshot would be reflected by spellshield, so I did not bother with it.I don't use Stream of Arrows except at mystics/plate healers, it is not really the best way to kill low hp/low miti characters (Triple Arrow is, it is far more DPS in a "right now" sense). I have killed some casters from just this one CA, even a Fury too, he was unlucky and had just too many procs go off.Not many people are worried about mezz these days, you can do one of several things to mitigate that, manastone, con/necro shard, or the vessel of fyr'uhn for the dot effect.I did use the distance tactic once, and was told I was too far away for the opponents spell to hit me, so I am assuming 50 meters is greater than your spell range, feel free to correct me. I did try staying close too (for fun and variety), and the stifle/root combo did take me down to 40% or so once, but only that once (out of 4 or 5 matches hopefully I will get more soon).Personally, I find the best tactic is to use cheapshot on the pet (any pet class) and kill the owner before it wears off. That, or lure the pet into a trap to root/snare it.Most likely, I would start the duel this way.. Cast thorny trap, then I would hit ranged attack before the duel started so when it did I would immediately fire an arrow (and usually the poison/stance proc with it) while backpedaling using debilitating arrow (600-1k mobile ranged attack) and most likely stop outside the duel ring to use triple arrow (unless they are decently hurt, then it is faster to use Amazing Shot (1.5sec cast 700damage) or Snaring Shot (1sec cast, 300ish damage) plus the related procs.Needless to say, if I got mezzed I would manastone it. What I am not yet sure of is what I would do if I recieved two back to back mezzes or repeated stuns (I am thinking switch to Rijackis poison which, iirc, is 315damage initial hit, then 315 every tick (6 ticks) to continue trying to kill you while I am incapacitated (coupled with Bite of the Shissar to drop your poison resist another 800 or so for maximum effect)). Once on a semi rare loss to a Coercer, I died with him at 6%.. I should have switched poisons, and got a bit more mental resistance.Anyways, I don't consider #3 good sense simply because the totems are so easy to get, and any class that likes to regularly duel should have one. Similarly, any class that has stealth and likes to duel should be prepared for it.Btw, this is all just imo, and I am not wishing to convey myself as a know it all or master dueler or anything like that, imo I have a long ways to go to think that. This is just a hobby that I like to do to kill time waiting for the expansion. I just happen to like to try dueling those who claim to be Ranger killers (who would not want to test their skill?).Final thing, Manyak, is that Clan of Shadows the same as was on Tarew Marr in EQLive, or a new incarnation?Good luck folks.Merkades, 60th Ranger.Siege, Najena.

[Manyak]

<div>Manastone/vessel/etc are good ways to break mezz, only theres one thing....illus dont rely in any way on mezzes to win. in the worst case (such as this), the only mezz needed would be the initial mezz just to get control of the battle. after that, its just constant casts of stuns and stifles, where none of those have any effect. the **best** way for you to get around this is to get extremely high mental resists. if they are high enough, the chanter would first have to mezz u (which in itself will be a pain), then hex doll, then start off witht he rest of the spells. and that should buy u enough time to get em down before they can gain complete control. but in the end its just luck with resists <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><div> </div><div>also, 50m i do think is too far for spells, which is why the illu needs to follow u and stay close to make sure than u dont get out of range....another reason to make sure they can see sneak hehe</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>And yes, its the same CoS from TM. Theres only 2 or 3 ppl that were in CoS in EQ1 also, but its still the same one <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div>

[Padi]

<div></div>The one point I want to make is that until you are level 58 and get spellshield, a lot of caster fights aren't so easy.

[Nupr]

<div></div><p>Most classes are totally non threatening to a 60th level illusionist unless they have a way to not be stunned / stifled or they're geared up with a lot of mental resists.  It doesn't matter if they can break mez, who needs to mez in a duel?  Any illusionist should easily be able to stack stuns / stifles until the target is dead and their auto attack damage will never add up to be enough before they die.</p><p>If they resist us or they are immune to control spells then we're pretty much hosed.  We'll never win by damage output alone.</p>

[trenor]

<div></div><p>A coercer will own an illusionist till lvl 58 when we get spell shield always if they know how to play thier class.</p><p> </p><p>Fiz</p>

[Stealth Status]

i can pwn every single class, while screwing with them except for bruiser...cant beat the bruisers...<div></div>

[KaltenAlTh]

<div></div><div>When I duel; I don't just beat Casters.  I dominate them easily, every single time.</div><div> </div><div>Healer types are super easy too, just takes time to get them drained then DPS them down.</div><div> </div><div>Scouts and some tank types, they are a challenge sometimes.  You have to know the class you are dueling and counter what they do correctly, I've only lost 1 duel ever (when we where same level) and that was to an Assassin and I only lost that because I had 2 spells resisted in a row and barrier of intellect was not re-cycled yet for that duel.</div><div> </div><div>I can toy with most classes, quite litterally just goof off during the fight and still win easy most of the time.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>I have not fought a bruisers yet and don't look forward to it.</div><p>Message Edited by KaltenAlThor on <span class="date_text">02-10-2006</span><span class="time_text">07:26 AM</span></p>

[Nnia]

<div></div>If you want to [Removed for Content] off the healing classes in a duel be sure to target your pet for all casting.   This way the healer cant heal themselves by targeting YOU.   This really messes up their strategy.I have beaten all classes except bruisers.   In those fights I am lucky if I live longer than 2 seconds.Nnia, Level 60 Illusionist<div></div>

[Bedarra]

Sounds like fun!  havent duelled once yet <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> not really my kind of game.. but will try and get whooped a few times!Thanks for the inspiration!<div></div>