which class best to put dynamism and prismatic havoc

[Plurke]

<div>hi i`m i wonder which classes are best to put dynamism and prismatic havoc (don`t have that spell yet not high enogh yet) at the higher end lvl players, since most of friends are lvl 60 and i came back i`m lvl 50 and i`m going to grindias hell to get to 60 so no time to test much. so far i like the bruiser friend with dynamism up are there any classes that are better or maybe you can guys  info on your experience</div>

[Pins]

Dynamism suits enchanters, sorcs, dpsing druids, summoners, SK, bards, MT in a raid as your best order, imo, as it does not proc much on non-caster classes.As for Havoc, best class to put it on is a bruiser or a berserker, if you don't have either of those, put it up on the scout/fighter who is using offensive stance.

[Craig3]

<div></div><p>I may be completely wrong because I haven't done any parsing to see if this is a fact, but from visually looking at the combat log it seems to me that Dynamism procs more on the summoner pets than on the summoner and the other classes for that matter.</p><p>Anyone know if this is true?</p><p> </p>

[Belizarius]

<div></div><div></div><p>Could be, haven't had a close look at that lately.</p><p>I was examining the logs from my wife's swashbuckler last night.  Supposedly dynamism used to proc off poison, that seems to be well and truly nerfed.  Didn't seem to proc off any of her CAs either (not that I really expected it to).  So I won't be using Dynamism for Predators and Rogues any more.</p><p>Can anyone confirm that Dynamism still proc's off damage shields?</p><p>If my tank is  a Pally they get Dynamism, as Pallies do have quite a few 'spells',  I'd assume all Crusaders do.  If it's a Guardian or 'Zerker, I'm not sure how useful it is (unless combined with a DS?).</p><p>If soloing it goes on my pet, more to help aggro control than anything.</p><p>It also seems to proc off Havoc.  Having a troubador in group with their Aria group buff and dynamism on myself, our Havoc is a lot of fun.</p><p>Message Edited by Belizarius on <span class="date_text">02-01-2006</span><span class="time_text">03:25 PM</span></p>

[Manyak]

<div>i can confirm that dynamism doesnt proc off poison anymore. i tried it on a ranger and only got one proc out of her, probably off of something else. if it was poison it definately woulda been alot more than 1 proc.</div><div> </div><div>also, yes i do find dyna procing more off summoners mage pets than summoners themselves. but alot of the time mobs got some nice aoe and the pet dies off of it or something, so ends up being more efficient somewhere else.</div><div> </div><div>dynamism is really a waste on any tank. even if the tank is a pally, most of the time they dont cast any spells on the mob other than taunts.</div><div> </div><div>still havent checked the DS procs recently</div>

[zit]

<div></div><p>dynamism is best used on ppl who cast the most number of spells on the most number of targets.</p><p>in my experience it depends not only on class but in many cases also on the player.</p><p>i got good results with one of our SK, but very bad results with all our pally. this may be more due to their playstyle than due to their skills though. all other fighter arent even worth considering IMO. (MT can be exception)</p><p>scouts dont seem to have much benefit from dynamism anymore. there are some skills and situations which get it to proc decently but they are not consistant enough over time to spend a con slot for it. this includes bards, at least those i raid with.</p><p>on single target i havent found much difference on either mage class. average increase of mage damage is about 20 dps, with illu slightly higher. sometimes its as low as 10 dps, hardly ever higher than 25-30, depending more on the player than the class. if i am not sure about how focused the summoner are i rather put dynamism on their pet.</p><p>in AE fights warlocks are a must to put dynamism on, the other classes again depends more on the player. the best bet is to look at the parser and give dyna to who ever caster is showing high on the list. sometimes i will give to a fury over a wizard.</p><p>and of course i always cast it on myself unless i am going to mez. no one can beat my dyna procs. :smileytongue:</p>

[wori]

question for Zitha: why not use it if you're going to mez? the proc takes effect first.../ponders<div></div>

[Craig3]

<div></div><div></div><div>So based on the lack of procs on scouts and "control" tanks are we going back to hasting most things with Legerity instead of Dynamism? I had all but stopped Legerity except on the right tank or scout and was using Dynamism almost excusively.</div><div> </div><div>I'm thinking we haste and Dynamism the pets and forget everyone else.......cept maybe the right "dps" tank and the AE mages.</div><div> </div><div>/shrug</div><p>Message Edited by Craig300 on <span class="date_text">02-02-2006</span><span class="time_text">10:59 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Craig300 on <span class="date_text">02-02-2006</span><span class="time_text">11:02 AM</span></p>

[Impetus]

<p>Message Edited by Impetus on <span class="date_text">02-02-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:18 PM</span></p>

[SunT]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>worien wrote:question for Zitha: why not use it if you're going to mez? the proc takes effect first.../ponders<div></div><hr></blockquote><p>If it is just you mezzing then it is fine.  But if there are two mezzers then yours will beak theirs when the proc goes off.</p><p>When we mez epic adds we use redundant mez's so I click it off prefight usually.</p>

[SunT]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Impetus wrote:You also have to remember that there are several classes that can self or group haste, like assassins, monks, and troubadors. So Legerity won't stack with theirs. Obviously ours might be better in some cases, but it's probably not worth using concentration for an extra 15% haste or something like that.<hr></blockquote><p>They will stack up to the cap.  Not sure what the cap is but different class buffs stack.</p><p>Illusionist/Coercer will not, but Illusionist/bard will as I understand it.</p>

[Impetus]

Are you sure? I thought there was a maximum for haste now of one spell (like legerity), one item (like fbss), and one proc (like zerker proc).Apparently you can now see your haste, dps, and runspeed in your persona window now with this update, so we should be able to know for sure soon. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Well I've just been searching through the update notes and can't find anything about that. Maybe I'm just crazy.Oh wait, I found it now. It's one item, one proc, and one haste spell per line of spells. I see. This is from the Test Server update notes just before live update 13, although it wasn't listed in the LU13 notes, which is why I was having trouble finding it.<blockquote><hr>Haste- Item-based haste effects no longer stack with each other. You will gain the best haste effect present on any one item. For example, if you wear a belt that provides 15% haste and a bracelet that gives 20%, you will receive 20% total worn haste.- Haste gained from item procs will not stack with itself or other haste procs. That is, if you have two weapons equipped that both proc haste, the effects will not stack. However, proc haste does stack with worn haste and spell haste.- Spell haste stacks with both worn haste and proc haste. Haste spells from different lines will stack with each other. For example, Monk self haste stacks with their group haste buff and the haste gained from their offensive stance, since these are all different spell lines. Bard haste stacks with Enchanter haste, but two Bard or Enchanter haste spells from the same line will not stack with each other.- In summary, haste stacking works as follows: 1 haste item + 1 haste proc + 1 haste spell per line.<hr></blockquote><p>Message Edited by Impetus on <span class="date_text">02-02-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:24 PM</span></p>

[wori]

ahhh....good point there SunTsu....since i'm a n00b can someone tell me how you reply to a post and have this in it:          SunTsu wrote:<p>If it is just you mezzing then it is fine.  But if there are two mezzers then yours will beak theirs when the proc goes off.</p>When we mez epic adds we use redundant mez's so I click it off prefight usually.thanks<div></div>

[SunT]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>worien wrote:ahhh....good point there SunTsu....since i'm a n00b can someone tell me how you reply to a post and have this in it:          SunTsu wrote:<p>If it is just you mezzing then it is fine.  But if there are two mezzers then yours will beak theirs when the proc goes off.</p>When we mez epic adds we use redundant mez's so I click it off prefight usually.thanks<div></div><hr></blockquote><p>Dynatism is the subject of the coversation.</p><p>It is a proc that goes off when spells are cast.</p><p>If another chanter has a mob mezzed and I cast my mez on the mob the mez stacks. But if Dynatism procs my mez will stay but theirs will break due to dynatism.  mine stays since Dyna Procs before the Mez.  So it actually breaks their mez at teh same time it puts mine on.</p><p>So when two chanters are mezzing adds and choose to redunantly mez each others adds, it is best to click the Dynatism buff off of myself so I don't break thier mez.</p><p>Is that clearer for you?</p><p>My post sounds confusing but if you understand the Illusionist, and this is an Illusionist forum, then it is pretty straightforward.</p><p>Let me know if you need further explaination.</p>

[Impetus]

<div></div>I think worien was wondering how to use the quote feature. Worien, when you're writing a post, there is a little "chat bubble" directly to the left of the smiley face. Click on that to insert a quote, the quote will be from whichever post you pressed the reply button on. (For example, if you wanted to quote SunTsu's post, you would press the reply button up on that earlier post.)<div></div><p>Message Edited by Impetus on <span class="date_text">02-02-2006</span><span class="time_text">05:24 PM</span></p>

[Belizarius]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Craig300 wrote:<div></div><div></div><div>So based on the lack of procs on scouts and "control" tanks are we going back to hasting most things with Legerity instead of Dynamism? I had all but stopped Legerity except on the right tank or scout and was using Dynamism almost excusively.</div><div> </div><div>I'm thinking we haste and Dynamism the pets and forget everyone else.......cept maybe the right "dps" tank and the AE mages.</div><div> </div><div>/shrug</div><p>Message Edited by Craig300 on <span class="date_text">02-02-2006</span><span class="time_text">10:59 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Craig300 on <span class="date_text">02-02-2006</span><span class="time_text">11:02 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote><p>I usually plonk a Haste on the tank anyway when grouping.</p><p>If the tank is a Crusader, or has a DS buff, I give them Dynamism too.  Still waiting to confirm that DS's will still proc Dynamism though.</p><p>Seems to be no point putting Dynamism on any Scout except a Bard, although  it can cause problems if you need to mez (their group debuffs can become mez breakers with dynamism).  But if you are AEing it's excellent value.</p><p>Still juggling what to do on raids, but probably dynamism on the pets is a good option?</p>

[Flipmode]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>SunTsu wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>worien wrote:question for Zitha: why not use it if you're going to mez? the proc takes effect first.../ponders<div></div><hr></blockquote><p>If it is just you mezzing then it is fine.  But if there are two mezzers then yours will beak theirs when the proc goes off.</p><p>When we mez epic adds we use redundant mez's so I click it off prefight usually.</p><hr></blockquote>No only what Sun said, but keep in mind that if you are remezzing and the proc firs...it wakes the mob if the mez is resisted.  Doesnt sound bad?  Picture the black queens adds and the difficulty in getting the mez to land at all.  If you had been successful in landing it and went to recast mez, then the proc damage will hit first, waking the mob.  But then what happens when your mez is resisted?  You now have an angry add on the loose and the raid will probably wipe and its all your fault.

[wori]

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>Impetus wrote:<div></div>I think worien was wondering how to use the quote feature. Worien, when you're writing a post, there is a little "chat bubble" directly to the left of the smiley face. Click on that to insert a quote, the quote will be from whichever post you pressed the reply button on. (For example, if you wanted to quote SunTsu's post, you would press the reply button up on that earlier post.)<div></div><p>Message Edited by Impetus on <span class="date_text">02-02-2006</span><span class="time_text">05:24 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>thanks...for actually taking the time to read my post before you left a comment that had nothing to do with my question...guess maybe i should have asked that question in another thread...anyways...dont let the tag fool you Sun I am an illusionist and i get your point...and for the record Zitha said he always casts it on himself unless he is going to mezz...not "unless he is going to be chain mezzing" =p</span><div></div><p>Message Edited by worien on <span class="date_text">02-03-2006</span><span class="time_text">08:02 AM</span></p>

[Manyak]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Flipmode wrote:<div></div><p>No only what Sun said, but keep in mind that if you are remezzing and the proc firs...it wakes the mob if the mez is resisted.  Doesnt sound bad?  Picture the black queens adds and the difficulty in getting the mez to land at all.  If you had been successful in landing it and went to recast mez, then the proc damage will hit first, waking the mob.  But then what happens when your mez is resisted?  You now have an angry add on the loose and the raid will probably wipe and its all your fault.</p><p></p><hr></blockquote><p> </p><p>The proc can only go off if ur mezz was not resisted. And if ur mezz wasnt resisted, then u have no reason to worry about the mob going anywhere. The only time a resisted mezz sets a mob loose is with AoE mezz, but that has nothing to do with the proc.</p><p>So on most fights, it doesnt even matter if ur procd when ur mezzing, even if there are 2 mezzers. But on something like Black Queen, where one of the chanters can be ported to zone-in, it is still best to always have mezzes from both chanters up at all times, and having a proc doesnt let that happen.</p>

[Belizarius]

<div></div><p>I finally got to try the Havoc plus Bruiser combo.  Awesome!</p><p>Getting over 5k damage per cast when coordinated with his multiple attack, Adept 1 Havoc on Bruiser and Master 2 Dynamism on self.</p><p>Now to try it with adept 3 Havoc and a Troub in the group!</p>