Do we lose Ego Shock and Stupefy in the upcoming class changes?

[WAPCE]

I like keeping both of these spells around because their successors have different effects in their later versions for Illusionists (Psychic Assailant and Bewildering Cascade). Does anyone know if we lose these spells and get versions of the later spell lines at earlier levels? Ego Shock is a Master II choice and is still useful at later levels for its root, will we be given a free /respec if it loses its useful root? (I doubt it.)

[Pins]

<div>Yes, we will lose them.  Will we get a respec?  I would hope we would get a respec for the lv14 master 2 choice, in fact I bet everybody will.</div>

[Impetus]

Yeah I'm gonna miss these. Ego Shock, well an extra root never hurts and this was my master 2 choice. Stupefy was the first master 1 spell I ever got, way back in November when I was level 15 or so, off a group of heroic gnolls that I soloed./bye StupefyHmm, I wonder if we'll get a master 2 choice for level 4 now?<p>Message Edited by Impetus on <span class="date_text">01-22-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:17 PM</span></p>

[Xalibur]

<div></div><div></div><p>loosing ego shock and stupefy is a serious nerf</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Message Edited by Xalibur on <span class="date_text">01-23-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:42 AM</span></p>

[Pins]

<blockquote><hr>Xalibur wrote:<div></div><div></div><p>loosing ego shock and stupefy is a serious nerf</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Message Edited by Xalibur on <span class="date_text">01-23-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:42 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>No, it is not a nerf. Barely anybody in their right mind uses them anyway. And if you do, well I don't know what to say. I very rarely use Stupefy, it's just as useful at 60 as not casting for 4 seconds.

[shenker]

It's useful for me to keep something stunned longer so as far as I'm concerned this is a nerf. Having those 2 stuns on different timers has saved my tank a few times because dots were on the mob so he could not be mesed.<div></div>

[SunT]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Pinski wrote:<blockquote><hr>Xalibur wrote:<div></div><div></div><p>loosing ego shock and stupefy is a serious nerf</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Message Edited by Xalibur on <span class="date_text">01-23-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:42 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>No, it is not a nerf. Barely anybody in their right mind uses them anyway. And if you do, well I don't know what to say. I very rarely use Stupefy, it's just as useful at 60 as not casting for 4 seconds.<hr></blockquote><p>I dont use stupefy but I do use Ego Shock Master2 all the time.  It is a great little spell.  Last night I used to to root Sunchild when he decided to run around and kill someone.  Myself and another Illusionist were casting every refresh. </p><p>The root only sticks for a half a second with all the damage he is getting, but that is all the Tank needs sometimes to get another taunt off. </p><p>I will be very upset if we loose this spell.</p>

[Pins]

<blockquote><hr>SunTsu wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Pinski wrote:<blockquote><hr>Xalibur wrote:<div></div><div></div><p>loosing ego shock and stupefy is a serious nerf</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Message Edited by Xalibur on <span class="date_text">01-23-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:42 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>No, it is not a nerf. Barely anybody in their right mind uses them anyway. And if you do, well I don't know what to say. I very rarely use Stupefy, it's just as useful at 60 as not casting for 4 seconds.<hr></blockquote><p>I dont use stupefy but I do use Ego Shock Master2 all the time.  It is a great little spell.  Last night I used to to root Sunchild when he decided to run around and kill someone.  Myself and another Illusionist were casting every refresh. </p><p>The root only sticks for a half a second with all the damage he is getting, but that is all the Tank needs sometimes to get another taunt off. </p><p>I will be very upset if we loose this spell.</p><hr></blockquote>Use your personae to root sunchild instead, or better yet, get a Coercer to do it. Or better yet, have your guild figure out how to deal without an epic root. In fact, considering the way the game is, I'm amazed that they haven't fixed all of the roots yet so they don't affect epics, as they don't want them affecting epics.Also as for using stupefy, if your tank needs a mob stunned for a few extra seconds, then you're either a) fighting orange heroics, b) don't have enough dps, or c) don't have enough healing.

[SunT]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Pinski wrote:<blockquote><hr>SunTsu wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Pinski wrote:<blockquote><hr>Xalibur wrote:<div></div><div></div><p>loosing ego shock and stupefy is a serious nerf</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Message Edited by Xalibur on <span class="date_text">01-23-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:42 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>No, it is not a nerf. Barely anybody in their right mind uses them anyway. And if you do, well I don't know what to say. I very rarely use Stupefy, it's just as useful at 60 as not casting for 4 seconds.<hr></blockquote><p>I dont use stupefy but I do use Ego Shock Master2 all the time.  It is a great little spell.  Last night I used to to root Sunchild when he decided to run around and kill someone.  Myself and another Illusionist were casting every refresh. </p><p>The root only sticks for a half a second with all the damage he is getting, but that is all the Tank needs sometimes to get another taunt off. </p><p>I will be very upset if we loose this spell.</p><hr></blockquote><strong>Use your personae to root sunchild instead, or better yet, get a Coercer to do it. Or better yet, have your guild figure out how to deal without an epic root.</strong> In fact, considering the way the game is, I'm amazed that they haven't fixed all of the roots yet so they don't affect epics, as they don't want them affecting epics.Also as for using stupefy, if your tank needs a mob stunned for a few extra seconds, then you're either a) fighting orange heroics, b) don't have enough dps, or c) don't have enough healing.<hr></blockquote><p>ummmm....</p><p>First of all what is the Dif if I do it or if the Pet does it or a Coercer does it?  I am really missing the point here.</p><p>Not sure how to respond to an Illusionist who thinks we should lose another ability that works on Epics.  Very Puzzling considering the source.</p><p>If we have an ability rest assured I will use it.  If they take the Epic root out of that spell line entirely then I will miss it, I will be [Removed for Content] that I got nerfed again, and I will still continue to kill things without it.  If we just lose the spell and Coercers keep an Epic root I will be Livid and vocal enough to no longer be welcome on the boards.  And i will still figure out a way to kill them all without it.</p><p>I find the 'have your guild figure out another solution' comment insulting.  Perhaps I am reading you wrong but it is a really conscending remark.</p><p>You have a different strat, well good for you.  I use all my tools no matter how few or seemingly insignificant they are. </p><p>I have had enough of nerfs.  Whether the spell is working on epic intentionally or not it is one of our very few tools left and I will be [Removed for Content] that I lose yet another raid tool.</p><p> </p>

[Chrysostom]

Loosing ego shock is really going to stink. I going to have to call that a straight up nerf. An unintentional byproduct to be certain, but diffinately a serious and painful nerf. I personally would love to see our worthless nuke/mez turned into a root/mez when this happens. Course, I ain't holdin my breath on that one.

[Manyak]

<div></div>if we lose ego shock, then the least they could do is stop dynamism from breaking aneurysm's mezz and our root's stifle if it procs on those spells.